Ros-dev April 2005

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Re: [ros-dev] ReactOS Foundation 501c3 Status - Approved
by Steven Edwards 07 Apr '05

07 Apr '05

Hi, --- ea <ea(a)iol.it> wrote: > first of all, thank you for all the time you spent on the Foundation thing. > This is and has always been a big issue (or big fear?): how is this > handled on the Wine side? The only rational reason for a lawsuit is > Microsft suspects ROS has some stolen code in it that belongs to them > (see SCO versus Linux). We must therefore be sure our code is clean. > There could be some funds for paying a code analysis performed by a > third party (of course we can not ask a MS coder nor a ROS coder to look > at their code and at ours and say if they differ). Well so far one thing that has helped is the fact that there is no central authority that owns the code. Jason and I discussed this when we wanted to create the foundation and it was decided that if someone wants to turn code over to the foundation they can however in any case we will work to provide legal defence. Another thing Wine and ReactOS has going for them is the new Software Freedom law center http://www.softwarefreedom.org/. They are helping out with the Wine project so we get some level of protection from the amount of code we share with Wine. The real issue comes in on the kernel and driver side. I need to email them and discuss a working relationship with the foundation. That is soon on my todo list. Thanks Steven __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs

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Re: [ros-dev] ReactOS Foundation 501c3 Status - Approved
by Steven Edwards 07 Apr '05

07 Apr '05

Hi James, --- James Tabor <jimtabor(a)adsl-64-217-116-74.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net> wrote: > Paying developers? Hum? > > I don't want to be the bad guy here, but this could push people away from the project. It would > be > like going back to five years ago when ROS had no GUI just a command console. Everyone will wait > for five or so developers to fix things, and trust me it does happen that way in the real world. > The back log will kick their asses. See the other thread. I don't think paying developers as full time workers is a good idea. I think Contracts or bounties on certain projects are. > Now I have to ask, where does the money come from? If the ORG has no money, I guess it should > produce a competing distribution CD. This could make M$ happy, so M$ would have a target to > sue at. Also everyone on the board would become a target as well. I was wrong in the other email. I forgot we have $25 in the general fund atm which was raised at LinuxWorld. I expect we can make quite a bit selling CDs, T-Shirts, Etc, if we want as well as just accepting donations. As for the fear of lawsuit, the idea behind the foundation was that it was better the foundation get sued and try to have some cash for legal defence rather than some poor developer in school. Everybody here knows the risk from Microsoft.... Thanks Steven __________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger Show us what our next emoticon should look like. Join the fun. http://www.advision.webevents.yahoo.com/emoticontest

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Re: [ros-dev] Re: [ros-foundation] ReactOS Foundation 501c3 Status - Approved
by Steven Edwards 07 Apr '05

07 Apr '05

--- Royce Mitchell III <royce3(a)ev1.net> wrote: > I think it's important to draw a clear line as to the responsibilities > of the board as opposed to things that should be decided by all > commiters ( vs things that the community at large should be invited into ). I agree. As far as I see it the board should just control the books and thats about it. > Basically there would be two types of bounties: > > 1) "Directed" bounties: If someone donates money towards the completion > of a purpose, the money must be made available for that purpose. > > 2) "General Funds" bounties: These are bounties created from the budget > above. The way I propose this should work is as follows: Anyone with > commit access can "propose" a bounty. The board would be responsible for > reviewing the bounty, and if it looks good to them ( possibly amending > it some ), they would submit it to the body of commiters for approval. > Obviously the board would be responsible for reigning in the bounties > from going over budget. Thats roughly the idea though you have put it in to much better words then I could have. > I would like to be involved in the by-law development process, or at > least be able to review them and give some feedback. I would be willing > to serve on the board, if I'm wanted. Join the foundation list and we can move forward with a real plan this time. Thanks Steven __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Personals - Better first dates. More second dates. http://personals.yahoo.com

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Re: [ros-dev] ReactOS Foundation 501c3 Status - Approved
by Steven Edwards 07 Apr '05

07 Apr '05

--- Alex Ionescu <ionucu(a)videotron.ca> wrote: > Two issues I see here: > > 1) Developers. Do you mean that each developer will be paid? How will > this be done? equally shared? Not to sound like an ass, but there may be > times when a developer does absolutely nothing (read: me for the next > month), while someone else is hacking away 100KLOC of code. Or someone > that generally only does little fixes (which can be really useful, and > is all the useful time he can offer due to work/family/school) versus > someone which already has assured income and spends 24 hours a day > working on Reactos. Would it be fair to pay everyone the same amount of > money? Sorry if I'm misunderstanding the issue, but I just want to be > fair. Besides, I'm sure many developers might want to refuse getting > paid. Working for free is sometimes a personal choice, and the offers > certain tangible and psycoligcal advantages. I don't know about others, > but I myself would feel bad in many ways to receive money by working on > ReactOS. I would feel as if any bugs ormistakes that I make now have > monetary losses associated with them. The idea is to start with the ReactOS Foundation does two things in terms of paying developers. 1. Offers bounties for certain features or bugs in bugzilla. Call them 1 time cash prizes. 2. Acts as a escrow or broker for third parties wanting to offer a bounty. (see 1) I don't think this will discourage development. There are tons of little features I would like to see that no one is working on atm where a bounty system would be nice. If I had $500 spare I would put up a bounty for the 3com driver or for the NMake backend for the xmlbuildsystem. Also single user contributions could be pooled for a bug. NOTE: I DO NOT WANT A PLEDGE SYSTEM. THEY DON'T WORK. IF YOU REALLY WANT TO CONTRIBUTE MONEY TO A BUG THEN THIS WILL BE THE BEST WAY! Think about the following ------------------------------------------- Steven Edwards Enters bug #311337 "Make ReactOS have a 3com Vortext (959/930) driver" Alex gives $50 earmarked bug #311337 Steven gives $100 to bug #311337 Some random user throws in $200 for bug #311337 Someone decides "hey $350 will pay for a nice weekend at the beach! I'll take it!" And they start coding. They get a working driver and it passes QA so it goes in SVN. The ReactOS Foundation then writes a check for $350 to said developer. ------------------------------------------- > 2) I think expos should get more then 5%. An expo of 4 people would cost > around 2000$ (assuming 150$/night * 3 nights, plus food and other needs, > *4 people). Now at minimum we'll probably want to attend a North > American and a European conference, meaning 4000$. The European one is > bound to have more then 4 people anyways, so with 6 people, it'll up the > cost to 6000$. 5% means that we would need 80 000$ in donations. Seems a > lot to me at this stage. Then again, we probably won't want to pay the > full cost of an expo at this point, but whatever, I'm just giving ideas > and I hope they help! Nothing is set in stone as we have $0 cash flow atm. It will be up to the board to decide on a final budget. I just want to have a rough plan in place as I am going to start soliciting help for funding. > I would love to be on the board. I think I have some pretty good ideas > for moving forward, and it'll be a good short break from coding when > I'll happen. I want to get something up on foundation.reactos.org and then have a discussion on the ros-foundation list on what needs to be ammended in the bylaws and we can vote on restructure, memebers, etc. Thanks Steven __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Personals - Better first dates. More second dates. http://personals.yahoo.com

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Help to tester : Build Ros on WIN98 PC
by Gge 07 Apr '05

07 Apr '05

Hi all, Buiding Reactos on a Win98 machine does noy work anymore ( at least for me) . It was working several ago. The make clean fails as well with these error messages : ----------------------------- netstat: [CLEAN] ping: [CLEAN] route: [CLEAN] telnet: [CLEAN] whois: [CLEAN] regtests: [CLEAN] tshared: [CLEAN] RM] /include/roscfg.h trop de paramètres - buildno.exe ==== Too many parameters fichier introuvable === File not found trop de paramètres - wine2ros.exe trop de paramètres - winebuild.exe trop de paramètres - bin2res.exe wpp: [CLEAN] unicode: [CLEAN] C:\Svn\reactos>mingw32-make -------------------------------- Anybody may confirm ? Thanks Gerard

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Re: [ros-dev] Help to tester : Build Ros on WIN98 PC
by Sylvain Petreolle 06 Apr '05

06 Apr '05

Then this is a make.exe bug, which should use %COMSPEC%... --- Hartmut Birr <hartmut.birr(a)gmx.de> wrote: > The windows 98 problem has nothing to do with a bug in binutils. > Make.exe uses cmd to process all pipe commands on windows, but windows > 98 doesn't have a cmd program. You should copy command.com to cmd.com or > cmd.exe. > > - Hartmut Kind regards, Usurp (aka Sylvain Petreolle) humans are like computers, yesterday the BIOS was all - today its just a word

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Bug Check Out of Memory!
by James Tabor 06 Apr '05

06 Apr '05

Hi! This was not unexpected. I noticed last night csrss was over 11000K bytes in size. The memory leak in csrss is handles, some of them do not close. So the number goes from ~80 to 2000+ after two days of building ros over and over. You can try to close the windows but the handle count is the same so~~~~~. Thanks, James (KERNEL32:mem/global.c:412) Memory Load: 59 (KERNEL32:mem/global.c:412) Memory Load: 59 (mm/npool.c:1626) Trying to allocate 16 bytes from nonpaged pool - nothing suita ble found, returning NULL KeBugCheck at mm/rmap.c:382 A problem has been detected and ReactOS has been shut down to prevent damage to your computer. The bug code is undefined. Please use an existing code instead. Technical information: *** STOP: 0x00000000 (0x00000000,0x00000000,0x00000000,0x00000000) Frames: <ntoskrnl.exe:dbe3 (ke/bug.c:459 (KeBugCheckEx))> <ntoskrnl.exe:dc03 (ke/bug.c:479 (KeBugCheck))> <ntoskrnl.exe:87911 (mm/rmap.c:382 (MmInsertRmap))> <ntoskrnl.exe:740aa (mm/anonmem.c:385 (MmNotPresentFaultVirtualMemory))> <ntoskrnl.exe:7e8f8 (mm/mm.c:387 (MmNotPresentFault))> <ntoskrnl.exe:befc (mm/i386/pfault.c:66 (MmPageFault))> <ntoskrnl.exe:1927 (ke/i386/exp.c:543 (KiTrapHandler))> <ntoskrnl.exe:399d (/tmp/ccc7YZmh.s:235 (KiTrapProlog))> <ntdll.dll:24118 (/tmp/ccuotceE.s:35 (memset))> Entered debugger on embedded INT3 at 0x0008:0x800064be. kdb:> Lock up no keyboard!

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Re: [ros-svn] [royce] 14523: patch by kjk::hyperion, fix syntax of gcc inline asm
by Filip Navara 06 Apr '05

06 Apr '05

royce(a)svn.reactos.com wrote: >patch by kjk::hyperion, fix syntax of gcc inline asm > > >Updated files: >trunk/reactos/hal/halx86/include/hal.h > > This is not acceptable solution IMHO...there are problems with certain GCC versions assigning AMD64 registers on i386. See revision 13587 and http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=10153. - Filip

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livecd crash in serial.sys on real hw
by Royce Mitchell III 06 Apr '05

06 Apr '05

essentially, I've tracked down the problem to SerialPnpStartDevice() being called with ResourceList == NULL. Here's the details, if ya want 'em: serial.sys exception not handled stop 1e ( c0000005, 9d2f9019, 0, 0 ) serial.sys address 9d2f9019 base 9d2f6000 page fault 14(0) cs:eip 8:9d2f9019 <serial.sys: 3019> pnp.c:168 cr2 0 cr3 27000 proc: 8084ad00 Pid: 4 <System> Thrd: 8084b828 Tid: 0 DS,ES,GS=10 FS=30 eax 808a7660 ebx 0 ecx 808a7580 edx 808a7828 ebp 800bc9b4 esi 808a77b8 esp 800be808 edi 0 eflags 00210292 kesp 800be808 kernel stack base 800bd000 frames: <serial.sys: 352b> pnp.c:341, SerialPnP() calling SerialPnpStartDevice() <ntoskrnl.exe: 329c5> io/irp.c:212, IofCallDriver() calling indirect <ntoskrnl.exe: 329e1> io/irp.c:226, IoCallDriver() calling IofCallDriver() <ntoskrnl.exe: 34975> io/pnpmgr.c:665, IopInitiatePnpIrp() calling IoCallDriver() <ntoskrnl.exe: 2d151> io/device.c:78, IopInitializeDevice() calling IopInitiatePnpIrp() <ntoskrnl.exe: 2fa9d> io/driver.c:1890, NtLoadDriver() calling IopInitializeDevice() <ntoskrnl.exe: 318b> ke/i386/syscall.S:178 <ntoskrnl.exe: 2536d> ex/zw.S:771, ZwLoadDriver() <ntoskrnl.exe: 2efa1> io/driver.c:1378, IopInitializeSystemDrivers() calling IopLoadDriver() <8007cc61> ??? only possibility is: IoInit3() calling IopInitializeSystemDrivers() <8007d7ac> ??? only possibility is: ExpInitializeExecutive() calling IoInit3() <ntoskrnl.exe: d04c> ke/main.c:104, KiSystemStartup() calling ExpInitializeExecutive() <80079290> ke/main.c:283, _main() calling KiSystemStartup(); <ntoskrnl.exe: 104b> ke/i386/main.S:51 now, serial.sym: 13019: 8b 07 mov (%edi),%eax C:\cvs\reactos\drivers\dd\serial>addr2line -e serial.nostrip.sys 13019 C:/cvs/reactos/drivers/dd/serial/pnp.c:168 C:/cvs/reactos/drivers/dd/serial/pnp.c:168: for (i = 0; i < ResourceList->Count; i++) notice edi is NULL, which is holding the value of ResourceList, which traces it's origin back to: IoGetCurrentIrpStackLocation(Irp)->Parameters.StartDevice.AllocatedResources which in turn comes from: DeviceNode->BootResources at ntoskrnl/io/device.c:68 in IopInitializeDevice() there's a FIXME on the line above: /* FIXME: Should be DeviceNode->ResourceList */ hpoussin, or anybody else? should serial.sys handle a NULL ResourceList gracefully ( imho it should probably have some SEH in there ), or is it a bug for it to be getting a NULL ResourceList?

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Re: [ros-dev] Invitation
by Steven Edwards 05 Apr '05

05 Apr '05

Hi, --- Robert K�pferl <rob(a)koepferl.de> wrote: > it might seem stupid or girlish, but I want to invite any of you to > visit me in Vienna (wien.AT) for a couple of days. I would like to just > see some of these people (and of course have freeky kernel talks) who > make up this project. Get to know personally. Don't be shy and have a > try with my private email. (possibly use gpg/x.509). > If you think this Vienna is too far away - maybe next year I live less > far away from you. Some of us will be meeting at WineConf at the end of the month. Thanks Steven __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Personals - Better first dates. More second dates. http://personals.yahoo.com

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