Hi,
--- ea <ea(a)iol.it> wrote:
> first of all, thank you for all the time you spent on the Foundation thing.
> This is and has always been a big issue (or big fear?): how is this
> handled on the Wine side? The only rational reason for a lawsuit is
> Microsft suspects ROS has some stolen code in it that belongs to them
> (see SCO versus Linux). We must therefore be sure our code is clean.
> There could be some funds for paying a code analysis performed by a
> third party (of course we can not ask a MS coder nor a ROS coder to look
> at their code and at ours and say if they differ).
Well so far one thing that has helped is the fact that there is no central authority that owns the
code. Jason and I discussed this when we wanted to create the foundation and it was decided that
if someone wants to turn code over to the foundation they can however in any case we will work to
provide legal defence. Another thing Wine and ReactOS has going for them is the new Software
Freedom law center http://www.softwarefreedom.org/. They are helping out with the Wine project so
we get some level of protection from the amount of code we share with Wine. The real issue comes
in on the kernel and driver side.
I need to email them and discuss a working relationship with the foundation. That is soon on my
todo list.
Thanks
Steven
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Hi James,
--- James Tabor <jimtabor(a)adsl-64-217-116-74.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net> wrote:
> Paying developers? Hum?
>
> I don't want to be the bad guy here, but this could push people away from the project. It would
> be
> like going back to five years ago when ROS had no GUI just a command console. Everyone will wait
> for five or so developers to fix things, and trust me it does happen that way in the real world.
> The back log will kick their asses.
See the other thread. I don't think paying developers as full time workers is a good idea. I think
Contracts or bounties on certain projects are.
> Now I have to ask, where does the money come from? If the ORG has no money, I guess it should
> produce a competing distribution CD. This could make M$ happy, so M$ would have a target to
> sue at. Also everyone on the board would become a target as well.
I was wrong in the other email. I forgot we have $25 in the general fund atm which was raised at
LinuxWorld. I expect we can make quite a bit selling CDs, T-Shirts, Etc, if we want as well as
just accepting donations. As for the fear of lawsuit, the idea behind the foundation was that it
was better the foundation get sued and try to have some cash for legal defence rather than some
poor developer in school. Everybody here knows the risk from Microsoft....
Thanks
Steven
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--- Royce Mitchell III <royce3(a)ev1.net> wrote:
> I think it's important to draw a clear line as to the responsibilities
> of the board as opposed to things that should be decided by all
> commiters ( vs things that the community at large should be invited into ).
I agree. As far as I see it the board should just control the books and thats about it.
> Basically there would be two types of bounties:
>
> 1) "Directed" bounties: If someone donates money towards the completion
> of a purpose, the money must be made available for that purpose.
>
> 2) "General Funds" bounties: These are bounties created from the budget
> above. The way I propose this should work is as follows: Anyone with
> commit access can "propose" a bounty. The board would be responsible for
> reviewing the bounty, and if it looks good to them ( possibly amending
> it some ), they would submit it to the body of commiters for approval.
> Obviously the board would be responsible for reigning in the bounties
> from going over budget.
Thats roughly the idea though you have put it in to much better words then I could have.
> I would like to be involved in the by-law development process, or at
> least be able to review them and give some feedback. I would be willing
> to serve on the board, if I'm wanted.
Join the foundation list and we can move forward with a real plan this time.
Thanks
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--- Alex Ionescu <ionucu(a)videotron.ca> wrote:
> Two issues I see here:
>
> 1) Developers. Do you mean that each developer will be paid? How will
> this be done? equally shared? Not to sound like an ass, but there may be
> times when a developer does absolutely nothing (read: me for the next
> month), while someone else is hacking away 100KLOC of code. Or someone
> that generally only does little fixes (which can be really useful, and
> is all the useful time he can offer due to work/family/school) versus
> someone which already has assured income and spends 24 hours a day
> working on Reactos. Would it be fair to pay everyone the same amount of
> money? Sorry if I'm misunderstanding the issue, but I just want to be
> fair. Besides, I'm sure many developers might want to refuse getting
> paid. Working for free is sometimes a personal choice, and the offers
> certain tangible and psycoligcal advantages. I don't know about others,
> but I myself would feel bad in many ways to receive money by working on
> ReactOS. I would feel as if any bugs ormistakes that I make now have
> monetary losses associated with them.
The idea is to start with the ReactOS Foundation does two things in terms of paying developers.
1. Offers bounties for certain features or bugs in bugzilla. Call them 1 time cash prizes.
2. Acts as a escrow or broker for third parties wanting to offer a bounty. (see 1)
I don't think this will discourage development. There are tons of little features I would like to
see that no one is working on atm where a bounty system would be nice. If I had $500 spare I would
put up a bounty for the 3com driver or for the NMake backend for the xmlbuildsystem. Also single
user contributions could be pooled for a bug. NOTE: I DO NOT WANT A PLEDGE SYSTEM. THEY DON'T
WORK.
IF YOU REALLY WANT TO CONTRIBUTE MONEY TO A BUG THEN THIS WILL BE THE BEST WAY!
Think about the following
-------------------------------------------
Steven Edwards Enters bug #311337
"Make ReactOS have a 3com Vortext (959/930) driver"
Alex gives $50 earmarked bug #311337
Steven gives $100 to bug #311337
Some random user throws in $200 for bug #311337
Someone decides "hey $350 will pay for a nice weekend at the beach! I'll take it!"
And they start coding. They get a working driver and it passes QA so it goes in SVN.
The ReactOS Foundation then writes a check for $350 to said developer.
-------------------------------------------
> 2) I think expos should get more then 5%. An expo of 4 people would cost
> around 2000$ (assuming 150$/night * 3 nights, plus food and other needs,
> *4 people). Now at minimum we'll probably want to attend a North
> American and a European conference, meaning 4000$. The European one is
> bound to have more then 4 people anyways, so with 6 people, it'll up the
> cost to 6000$. 5% means that we would need 80 000$ in donations. Seems a
> lot to me at this stage. Then again, we probably won't want to pay the
> full cost of an expo at this point, but whatever, I'm just giving ideas
> and I hope they help!
Nothing is set in stone as we have $0 cash flow atm. It will be up to the board to decide on a
final budget. I just want to have a rough plan in place as I am going to start soliciting help for
funding.
> I would love to be on the board. I think I have some pretty good ideas
> for moving forward, and it'll be a good short break from coding when
> I'll happen.
I want to get something up on foundation.reactos.org and then have a discussion on the
ros-foundation list on what needs to be ammended in the bylaws and we can vote on restructure,
memebers, etc.
Thanks
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Hi all,
Buiding Reactos on a Win98 machine does noy work anymore ( at least for
me) . It was working several ago.
The make clean fails as well with these error messages :
-----------------------------
netstat: [CLEAN]
ping: [CLEAN]
route: [CLEAN]
telnet: [CLEAN]
whois: [CLEAN]
regtests: [CLEAN]
tshared: [CLEAN]
RM] /include/roscfg.h
trop de paramètres - buildno.exe
==== Too many parameters
fichier introuvable
=== File not found
trop de paramètres - wine2ros.exe
trop de paramètres - winebuild.exe
trop de paramètres - bin2res.exe
wpp: [CLEAN]
unicode: [CLEAN]
C:\Svn\reactos>mingw32-make
--------------------------------
Anybody may confirm ?
Thanks
Gerard
Then this is a make.exe bug, which should use %COMSPEC%...
--- Hartmut Birr <hartmut.birr(a)gmx.de> wrote:
> The windows 98 problem has nothing to do with a bug in binutils.
> Make.exe uses cmd to process all pipe commands on windows, but windows
> 98 doesn't have a cmd program. You should copy command.com to cmd.com or
> cmd.exe.
>
> - Hartmut
Kind regards,
Usurp (aka Sylvain Petreolle)
humans are like computers,
yesterday the BIOS was all
- today its just a word
Hi!
This was not unexpected. I noticed last night csrss was over 11000K bytes in size.
The memory leak in csrss is handles, some of them do not close. So the number goes
from ~80 to 2000+ after two days of building ros over and over. You can try to close
the windows but the handle count is the same so~~~~~.
Thanks,
James
(KERNEL32:mem/global.c:412) Memory Load: 59
(KERNEL32:mem/global.c:412) Memory Load: 59
(mm/npool.c:1626) Trying to allocate 16 bytes from nonpaged pool - nothing suita
ble found, returning NULL
KeBugCheck at mm/rmap.c:382
A problem has been detected and ReactOS has been shut down to prevent damage to
your computer.
The bug code is undefined. Please use an existing code instead.
Technical information:
*** STOP: 0x00000000 (0x00000000,0x00000000,0x00000000,0x00000000)
Frames:
<ntoskrnl.exe:dbe3 (ke/bug.c:459 (KeBugCheckEx))>
<ntoskrnl.exe:dc03 (ke/bug.c:479 (KeBugCheck))>
<ntoskrnl.exe:87911 (mm/rmap.c:382 (MmInsertRmap))>
<ntoskrnl.exe:740aa (mm/anonmem.c:385 (MmNotPresentFaultVirtualMemory))>
<ntoskrnl.exe:7e8f8 (mm/mm.c:387 (MmNotPresentFault))>
<ntoskrnl.exe:befc (mm/i386/pfault.c:66 (MmPageFault))>
<ntoskrnl.exe:1927 (ke/i386/exp.c:543 (KiTrapHandler))>
<ntoskrnl.exe:399d (/tmp/ccc7YZmh.s:235 (KiTrapProlog))>
<ntdll.dll:24118 (/tmp/ccuotceE.s:35 (memset))>
Entered debugger on embedded INT3 at 0x0008:0x800064be.
kdb:>
Lock up no keyboard!
royce(a)svn.reactos.com wrote:
>patch by kjk::hyperion, fix syntax of gcc inline asm
>
>
>Updated files:
>trunk/reactos/hal/halx86/include/hal.h
>
>
This is not acceptable solution IMHO...there are problems with certain
GCC versions assigning AMD64 registers on i386. See revision 13587 and
http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=10153.
- Filip
essentially, I've tracked down the problem to SerialPnpStartDevice()
being called with ResourceList == NULL.
Here's the details, if ya want 'em:
serial.sys
exception not handled
stop 1e ( c0000005, 9d2f9019, 0, 0 )
serial.sys address 9d2f9019 base 9d2f6000
page fault 14(0)
cs:eip 8:9d2f9019 <serial.sys: 3019> pnp.c:168
cr2 0 cr3 27000 proc: 8084ad00 Pid: 4 <System> Thrd: 8084b828 Tid: 0
DS,ES,GS=10 FS=30
eax 808a7660
ebx 0
ecx 808a7580
edx 808a7828
ebp 800bc9b4
esi 808a77b8
esp 800be808
edi 0
eflags 00210292
kesp 800be808
kernel stack base 800bd000
frames:
<serial.sys: 352b> pnp.c:341, SerialPnP() calling SerialPnpStartDevice()
<ntoskrnl.exe: 329c5> io/irp.c:212, IofCallDriver() calling indirect
<ntoskrnl.exe: 329e1> io/irp.c:226, IoCallDriver() calling IofCallDriver()
<ntoskrnl.exe: 34975> io/pnpmgr.c:665, IopInitiatePnpIrp() calling
IoCallDriver()
<ntoskrnl.exe: 2d151> io/device.c:78, IopInitializeDevice() calling
IopInitiatePnpIrp()
<ntoskrnl.exe: 2fa9d> io/driver.c:1890, NtLoadDriver() calling
IopInitializeDevice()
<ntoskrnl.exe: 318b> ke/i386/syscall.S:178
<ntoskrnl.exe: 2536d> ex/zw.S:771, ZwLoadDriver()
<ntoskrnl.exe: 2efa1> io/driver.c:1378, IopInitializeSystemDrivers()
calling IopLoadDriver()
<8007cc61> ??? only possibility is: IoInit3() calling
IopInitializeSystemDrivers()
<8007d7ac> ??? only possibility is: ExpInitializeExecutive() calling
IoInit3()
<ntoskrnl.exe: d04c> ke/main.c:104, KiSystemStartup() calling
ExpInitializeExecutive()
<80079290> ke/main.c:283, _main() calling KiSystemStartup();
<ntoskrnl.exe: 104b> ke/i386/main.S:51
now, serial.sym:
13019: 8b 07 mov (%edi),%eax
C:\cvs\reactos\drivers\dd\serial>addr2line -e serial.nostrip.sys 13019
C:/cvs/reactos/drivers/dd/serial/pnp.c:168
C:/cvs/reactos/drivers/dd/serial/pnp.c:168:
for (i = 0; i < ResourceList->Count; i++)
notice edi is NULL, which is holding the value of ResourceList, which
traces it's origin back to:
IoGetCurrentIrpStackLocation(Irp)->Parameters.StartDevice.AllocatedResources
which in turn comes from:
DeviceNode->BootResources at ntoskrnl/io/device.c:68 in
IopInitializeDevice()
there's a FIXME on the line above:
/* FIXME: Should be DeviceNode->ResourceList */
hpoussin, or anybody else? should serial.sys handle a NULL ResourceList
gracefully ( imho it should probably have some SEH in there ), or is it
a bug for it to be getting a NULL ResourceList?
Hi,
--- Robert K�pferl <rob(a)koepferl.de> wrote:
> it might seem stupid or girlish, but I want to invite any of you to
> visit me in Vienna (wien.AT) for a couple of days. I would like to just
> see some of these people (and of course have freeky kernel talks) who
> make up this project. Get to know personally. Don't be shy and have a
> try with my private email. (possibly use gpg/x.509).
> If you think this Vienna is too far away - maybe next year I live less
> far away from you.
Some of us will be meeting at WineConf at the end of the month.
Thanks
Steven
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