I am currently checking our 0.3.12 milestones. And the milestones status is:
**********(Bug 5517)Some icons look wrong (blue background)**********
There is a Hack for the release.
**********(Bug5560): Adobe Acrobat Reader 7.1 throws exception at start****
This is a Wine regression. It is not in our hands.We have to wait for a Fix.
**********(Bug 5472) comctl32: Keyboard shortcuts don't work after winesync***
Not as bad as it sounds. It does not work just in 2nd Installation Stage.
Anyway, there is a Hack for this issue too.
**********(Bug 5314) REGRESSION: Acrobat Reader: pen leak*******
It is supposed to be fixed, but it is Bug5560 dependant so it is impossible to confirm the Fixed status.
**********(Bug 5598) PATCH: Opera 9.64, FireFox 3.0+ crash when using Russian/Lithuanin/Ukrainian locale****
Reverting the *.nls changes solves the issue.
There is a Hack attached.
**********(Bug 5482)REGRESSION: ExplorerXP: black background on treeview area*****
This is a Wine regression. It is not in our hands. We have to wait for a Fix.
**********(Bug 4106) REGRESSION: Wrong text spacing in popup menus / icons after show a font in control applet / Remote Desktop*******
It is a minor regression since it has been there for a while. Also Yarotows seems to fix some of the issues.
**********(Bug 5591) REGRESSION: devmgr: wrong icons in the TreeView *****
Updating comctl32 will fix the issues. Or we can revert the comctl32 changes.
**************
* Summing up *
**************
There are 8 regressions.
4 has different options to be solved (Hack or Wine update/revert)
2 are current Wine regressions (we have to wait for a fix or revert Ole32/Comctl32 changes)
1 could be fixed (the Acrobar Reader leakage) but we need to fix Acrobat first(reverting?)
1 is a minor regression without a solution ( "Bug 4106")
So we can solve 7/8 regressions. Is it time to think about a 0.3.12 release? It is time to take decisions (reverting/updating/waiting Fixes) since there are solutions.
I don't think having the Trunk frozen is good for the project.
So, opinions?
Hello everybody,
Just to let you know, I've just added HTTP/WebDAV access for our
read-only Git mirror as requested by a developer.
This means that you can also clone from
http://git.reactos.org/reactos.git now if you sit behind a firewall
blocking the Git protocol.
Of course, the previous URL git://git.reactos.org/reactos.git will
continue to work.
Best regards,
Colin
HI,
recently I had to alter some inf-files for fixing a bug. At present we have
for each platform (i386, arm, amd64) separate files, which are hard to
maintain because of some identical, that aren't platform dependent. Therefore
I suggest the following change and I will write an example and the necessary
tool:
- combine all platforms to one file and work with special block markers
- block markers work like filters, empty markers means all platforms otherwise
the platforms limited to are given in comma separated lists
- we have to maintain only one single file and the alteration is minimal,
because the marker is a simple (syntactically comment) line
like ";#platform_a,platform_b#" or ";##"
- the needed file is extracted at build time, always up-to-date and shipped in
the same way as present
General remark: we have to make some efforts to bring (or at least to keep)
the project in understandable and maintanable state. We have to use and
introduce tools to reduce needless efforts resulted by managing multiple
similar files which could be better generated without failures (that people
tends to do). This and only this is my intention for this suggestion.
Request for comments - other ways or changes with same goal are welcome
Matthias
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> From: gedmurphy(a)gmail.com
> To: ros-dev(a)reactos.org
> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 08:09:57 +0100
> Subject: Re: [ros-dev] 0.3.12 milestones status
>
> victor Martinez wrote:
>
> > In the same way, and imho, I think it is much better
> > to avoid sending critical code one month before the release.
>
> This isn't how you release.
> The whole point in branching for a release is so you can stabalise the
> branch whilst trunk continues to be 'bleeding edge'
> What's the point in branching otherwise? We may as well just tag trunk and
> do away with branching.
I am not agree :) As far as i see we have tried to (more or less)stabilize trunk before branching at least in the 2 latest releases. An i.e is the 0.3.12 release, if we are following the "bleeding edge" concept then we should have branched several months ago and just pulled the regression fixes from trunk to the branch. Our approach was different: Stabilizing trunk fixing the known regressions (which,btw,were marked as Milestones) and then branching.
There is not an incompatibility with the "stabilizing trunk" and "branching" concepts. First because exists the "Hack-releases" (fixes just applied for the release) and that just can be done in a branch. Second because a (more or less) stabilized trunk doesn't mean a regression-free trunk (but it could be).
The first main advantage (about avoid sending critical code in the month we are going to release) is that we will have a whole month to check if the critical changes has waken up underlying bugs (or if the critical changes has introduced Eisenbugs).If we are following the "bleeding edge" approach we can just pray to find those Eisenbugs in the Release Candidate ISO tests and, since there aren't a lot of testers checking the RC ISO, it is quite unprovable.
The second main advantage is that we reduce the Release Engineers amount of work. It is not the same bugging them to create just one RC ISO than bugging them to create 2 or 3 because playing with the "bleeding edge" concept.
> > I am not agree :) As far as i see we have tried to (more or less)
> > stabilize trunk before branching at least in the 2 latest releases.
> This is because trunk has been in a mess for the past few releases.
> Due to its instability it wasn't worth branching it as it was so far from
> being releasable.
> In the past we had (strived for) a 2 month release cycle.
> We branched every 2 months no matter what and then worked on getting that
> release out.
> This is how linux and most other serious open source projects work. It's all
> about discipline.
"About discipline" and about having a lot of developers which can cover all the needs a project has. ;)
And let me not talk about some "serious open source pojects" with tons developers/users which has introduced and released with critical regressions.
> > There is not an incompatibility with the "stabilizing trunk" and
> > "branching" concepts. First because exists the "Hack-releases" (fixes
> > just applied for the release) and that just can be done in a branch.
> > Second because a (more or less) stabilized trunk doesn't mean a
> > regression-free trunk (but it could be).
> This is exactly what it's for. Branch, fix bugs or hack bugs away.
> Merge real bug fixes back into trunk, tag and release.
Sure, I was just answering to your "What's the point in branching otherwise?" which seemed to be a question about an incompatibility with "avoiding critical commits" and "stabilizing trunk" before branching.
> > The first main advantage (about avoid sending critical code in the
> > month we are going to release) is that we will have a whole month to check
> > if the critical changes has waken up underlying bugs
>
> This is the ongoing job of the testers to do both in trunk and more
> importantly, in release branch.
> If any serious bugs are found late in the process, drop the branch, fix in
> trunk and rebranch.
Just 2 words: Im-possible. :) You need a testing time frame.
There is something called "Probability" of finding a regression(even more finding an eisenbug). If you branch right after a critical commit and that critical commit has introduced a regression you have much less "Probability" to find it that if the last critical commit was made 1 month ago.
Even more, Release Candidates are mainly just tested by the Testers. So finding the regression depends mainly on "Probability Testers find a regression in one week"
But during that Quarantine month other commits (non critical ones) can be sent and developers can feel/find regressions too. So finding the regressions would depend mainly on "Probability Testers and Devs find a regression in one month". Notice that the testing group is wider and so the time.
We don't have Testing manpower to find a regression the next day/week it was commited.
> > The second main advantage is that we reduce the Release Engineers amount of work.
> But you hamper development. Locking down trunk for a month before every
> release is a sure way to drive away all of your developers.
> I would refuse to work on a project which worked in this way, as would most
> other devs I assume.
Who talked about freezing trunk? I should define 1-month Quarantine better: "Avoid commiting to critical areas. The trunk is open for those non-critical ones. You can send meanwhile your critical patches to a branch and after the release pushing them to trunk.". You have a ReactOS branch if needed.
> If you're finding when release time comes that no devs work on fixing the
> release branch and instead continue adding new code to trunk, then you have
> a developer discipline issue not a release process issue.
If we pay our developers we can ask for discipline meanwhile we can just accept their patches or refuse them.
Will you refuse a Patch? Or maybe revoke a Dev commit access to create discipline? Any useful ideas?
> Locking trunk is just a way to work around your developer discipline problem
> instead of tackling the real problem, your devs can't be bothered to fix
> existing code and continue to ignore their duties and add new code instead.
Noone talked about Locking Trunk, and there are no duties. IIRC you were the first person that explained me why there are no dutie$ in this project.
> Ged.
Vic
Hello,
0.3.12 was branched today, so I removed the lock from trunk. However,
I want to really ask everyone not to jump into modern fancy features
but pay more attention to fixing core parts of the system.
Victor is doing the change log draft, and if Colin has time I would
like to ask him to apply our usual release stuff.
WBR,
Aleksey Bragin.
You have done a pretty cool work.
0.3.12 Changelog is opened, I have added a "Regression", "General Bugs" section where i reflect the Bugs fixed from 0.3.11 to 0.3.12. This is a little bit more user-friendly.
You can find it here: http://www.reactos.org/wiki/ChangeLog-0.3.12#General
The Bugzilla stats shows the next:
- There were 259 General Bugs fixed (Regressions fixed are not counted here)
- There were 20 Translations sent in 11 different Languages.
- And you fixed 61 Regressions
So more than 320 bugs has been fixed in less than 300 days.
(Without counting Bugfixes in branch)
You have killed more than 10 bugs older than 3 years old. And the eldest one is "#969 Minimized windows are shown on desktop" which is 5 years old.
Congratz :)
