From ai2097@yahoo.com Sat Jun 4 21:29:56 2005 From: Quandary To: ros-dev@reactos.org Subject: Re: [ros-dev] PowerPC arcitecture? Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2005 12:29:45 -0700 Message-ID: <20050604192945.75408.qmail@web52910.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8668894451715927729==" --===============8668894451715927729== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Sat, Jun 04, 2005 at 12:03:48PM -0500, Rick Langschultz wrote: > > I use Outlook XP to compose mail to my boss and to a support team. I > have to use HTML formatting in my mail messages. Sorry for the > inconvenience I have caused. If people want to get picky about the mail > format and not the content of the message, they should re-evaluate their > purposes involved in developing code, and material for computers. > If you've ever tried to read an XML/HTML message in a plain-text reader (such as mutt, which is my client of choice), you would understand why folks complain. To draw an analogy as to how silly your claim is (that the formatting should be ignored completely), consider the following scenarios: 1. A huge C program that works, but has no comments and obfuscated code. "If you can't understand it without comments, you should re-evaluate your programming ability." 2. A patch that has thousands of formatting changes intermixed with bugfixes. "If you can't appreciate the functionality of a freely offered patch that seems to fix a bug, you should re-evaluate your stance as a community-based project." 3. Documentation provided in rendered PS (or another opaque format). "If you can't appreciate the accuracy and user-friendliness of the documentation, you should re-evaluate your position on having a well-documented system." See, these are all silly. It's easy for one side to just ignore the other -- yes, you may need whatever formatting HTML provides you for work correspondence; it's easy for you to forget that it's even there. Likewise, it's easy for those of us who edit and send raw text to ignore how engrained HTML can be in some mail front-ends. But at the end of the day, the lowest common denominator is plain-text -- and that's something folks will expect you to conform to. Just like a patch with a thousand formatting changes, now matter how many bugs it fixes, it will be rejected. So to with your mails -- no matter how good the merit is, if we have to mind-parse the gibberish, it's just going to be outright rejected. Thanks for understanding, -- Travis > Rick Langschultz > > -----Original Message----- > From: ros-dev-bounces(a)reactos.com [mailto:ros-dev-bounces(a)reactos.com] > On Behalf Of Mike Nordell > Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 9:19 AM > To: ReactOS Development List > Subject: Re: [ros-dev] PowerPC arcitecture? > > Rick Langschultz wrote: > > > > xmlns:w=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" = > > xmlns=3D"http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> > > [lots and lots of useless XML tags mixed in an unholy cesspool with HTTP > snipped] > > Could you please trim that crap? I am, as I hope the majority of list > subscribers are too, not especially interested in that you wrote an > e-mail > in MSWord and that your "SpellingState" is "Clean". > > Please use plain-text only. > > Thank you for your cooperation. > > /Mike > > _______________________________________________ > Ros-dev mailing list > Ros-dev(a)reactos.com > http://reactos.com:8080/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Ros-dev mailing list > Ros-dev(a)reactos.com > http://reactos.com:8080/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev > __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/stayintouch.html --===============8668894451715927729==-- From th.v.d.gronde@hccnet.nl Sun Jun 5 11:47:08 2005 From: Jasper van de Gronde To: ros-dev@reactos.org Subject: Re: [ros-dev] PowerPC arcitecture? Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 11:46:07 +0200 Message-ID: <42A2C9DF.2010706@hccnet.nl> In-Reply-To: <20050604192945.75408.qmail@web52910.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1461554120082860502==" --===============1461554120082860502== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Quandary wrote: > If you've ever tried to read an XML/HTML message in a > plain-text reader > (such as mutt, which is my client of choice), you > would understand why > folks complain. I'd like to point out that I'm a big fan of plain-text e-mail, but to be completely fair towards the original poster, his e-mail DID contain a plain-text section (and correctly marked as an alternative for the HTML as far as I can tell), so a MIME-capable plain-text reader could have simply ignored the HTML part. I agree it is still preferable to send plain-text only messages. But for those of you who had a lot of trouble reading his message, this is what he said: Rick Langschultz wrote: > I was reading the email on free PowerPC computers available. I wanted > to work on a port for powerpc a long time ago, but was shot down in > the IRC channel. I want to use pearpc and a native powerpc with > FreeBSD or linux in it to compile the project. Also since PowerPC and > x86 and x64 have different instruction sets, how will ReactOS > implement the NT kernel on non-intel architectures? I would imaging > PPC-ata and X86-ata have different addresses. And not all adapters > work from x86 on ppc. Maybe someone could work closely with Darwine to > get some of this handled. --===============1461554120082860502==-- From desimn@rpi.edu Fri Jun 10 07:05:27 2005 From: Nate DeSimone To: ros-dev@reactos.org Subject: Re: [ros-dev] PowerPC arcitecture? Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 01:02:12 -0400 Message-ID: <42A91ED4.9040508@rpi.edu> In-Reply-To: <20050604192945.75408.qmail@web52910.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2767364736848929217==" --===============2767364736848929217== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you look at the message is was sent in both plain text and HTML format Quandary wrote: >On Sat, Jun 04, 2005 at 12:03:48PM -0500, Rick >Langschultz wrote: > > >>I use Outlook XP to compose mail to my boss and to a >> >> >support team. I > > >>have to use HTML formatting in my mail messages. >> >> >Sorry for the > > >>inconvenience I have caused. If people want to get >> >> >picky about the mail > > >>format and not the content of the message, they >> >> >should re-evaluate their > > >>purposes involved in developing code, and material >> >> >for computers. > > > >If you've ever tried to read an XML/HTML message in a >plain-text reader >(such as mutt, which is my client of choice), you >would understand why >folks complain. > >To draw an analogy as to how silly your claim is (that >the formatting >should be ignored completely), consider the following >scenarios: > >1. A huge C program that works, but has no comments >and obfuscated code. > "If you can't understand it without comments, you >should re-evaluate > your programming ability." > >2. A patch that has thousands of formatting changes >intermixed with > bugfixes. > "If you can't appreciate the functionality of a >freely offered patch > that seems to fix a bug, you should re-evaluate >your stance as a > community-based project." > >3. Documentation provided in rendered PS (or another >opaque format). > "If you can't appreciate the accuracy and >user-friendliness of the > documentation, you should re-evaluate your position >on having a > well-documented system." > > >See, these are all silly. It's easy for one side to >just ignore the >other -- yes, you may need whatever formatting HTML >provides you for >work correspondence; it's easy for you to forget that >it's even there. >Likewise, it's easy for those of us who edit and send >raw text to ignore >how engrained HTML can be in some mail front-ends. But >at the end of the >day, the lowest common denominator is plain-text -- >and that's something >folks will expect you to conform to. > >Just like a patch with a thousand formatting changes, >now matter how >many bugs it fixes, it will be rejected. So to with >your mails -- no >matter how good the merit is, if we have to mind-parse >the gibberish, >it's just going to be outright rejected. > > >Thanks for understanding, > > >-- Travis > > > > > >>Rick Langschultz >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: ros-dev-bounces(a)reactos.com >> >> >[mailto:ros-dev-bounces(a)reactos.com] > > >>On Behalf Of Mike Nordell >>Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 9:19 AM >>To: ReactOS Development List >>Subject: Re: [ros-dev] PowerPC arcitecture? >> >>Rick Langschultz wrote: >> >> >> >>>>> >>> >xmlns:o=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" = > > >>>xmlns:w=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" >>> >>> >= > > >>>xmlns=3D"http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> >>> >>> >>[lots and lots of useless XML tags mixed in an >> >> >unholy cesspool with HTTP > > >>snipped] >> >>Could you please trim that crap? I am, as I hope the >> >> >majority of list > > >>subscribers are too, not especially interested in >> >> >that you wrote an > > >>e-mail >>in MSWord and that your "SpellingState" is "Clean". >> >>Please use plain-text only. >> >>Thank you for your cooperation. >> >>/Mike >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Ros-dev mailing list >>Ros-dev(a)reactos.com >>http://reactos.com:8080/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Ros-dev mailing list >>Ros-dev(a)reactos.com >>http://reactos.com:8080/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev >> >> >> > > > > >__________________________________ >Discover Yahoo! >Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing and more. Check it out! >http://discover.yahoo.com/stayintouch.html >_______________________________________________ >Ros-dev mailing list >Ros-dev(a)reactos.com >http://reactos.com:8080/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev > > > > --===============2767364736848929217==--