Sorry, just realised I sent this to your address, instead of the list.
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From: Murphy, Ged (Bolton)
Sent: 27 October 2005 13:56
To: 'jwalsh(a)bigpond.net.au'
Subject: RE: Issue 3. [Re: [ros-general] ROS-User-Issues]
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jwalsh(a)bigpond.net.au [mailto:jwalsh@bigpond.net.au]
> Sent: 27 October 2005 13:26
> To: ReactOS General List
> Cc: Murphy, Ged (Bolton)
> Subject: RE: Issue 3. [Re: [ros-general] ROS-User-Issues]
>
>
> Please do me a favour: just take a look at his 98/95 micro
> (hybrid) and then tell me again what you think. He has even
> reduced it to flash card.
I'm not talking about how many features you can remove from 9x, or how small
and fast you can make it. I'm talking about it's architectural design. The
kernel, memory management, GDI. It's inherently insecure and unstable. To
take one or two examples:
Most of the GDI is nonreentrant. It applies system wide mutex's blocking
other threads.
Process memory is visible and writable from all other process, meaning any
process can potentially corrupt data used by another process.
Parts of the kernel mode are writable from user mode.
There is no security system worth mentioning.
There are many many other design issues and I don't know, and am not about
to start listing them all.
The NT design solved these issues.
> No future for 9x? Microsoft is making threats, but it is
> still supporting 9x.
They are still supporting it (to an extent) because it's a problem they
created, and it has their name written all over it. There are still too many
9x users floating about to cast it aside.
> They are not so brash that they would insult their client base.
It wasn't meant as an insult. You've taken this too seriously.
> What makes you so cocksure of yourself?
I'm not.
> His software cost me $45 and I got good service and it works
> first time, it is so lean that I can make a ghost backup in
> under 3 minutes.
Great. But it's still 3 minutes of backing up a bad system which could have
been time better spent :p (I'm being sarcastic)
> I have been running a test for three weeks on a separate
> machine, without any protection, except that provided by a
> router, I have even rejected the Windows Updates. Admittedly
> I don't surf, but in principle and under restricted
> conditions it works.
Running with no protection is crazy, even if you have locked down your
router.
Not monitoring your system using the correct precautions is irresponsible.
> And what is more Shane does not blame his users.
> Nor does he resort to cheap shots.
I'm sorry you have taken this to heart, is was not meant like that.
> ReactOS, after three expensive downloads, still does not work.
> But I am still not giving up on it, nor you for that matter.
Expensive? It's completely free, where is the cost?
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This is change is wrong. We start auto-start drivers, but we stop
on first failure (see subsys/system/services). You're just
workarounding the real problem. - Filip
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Od: gvg(a)svn.reactos.com
Komu: ros-diffs(a)reactos.com
Předmět: [ros-diffs] [gvg] 18782: Change Tcpip and Afd drivers
Datum: 27.10.2005 - 1:28:07
> Change Tcpip and Afd drivers from auto-start to system-start,
> since we
> don't
> auto-start device drivers yet
> Modified: trunk/reactos/bootdata/hivesys.inf
> _____
>
> Modified: trunk/reactos/bootdata/hivesys.inf
> --- trunk/reactos/bootdata/hivesys.inf 2005-10-26 23:19:37 UTC
> --- (rev
> 18781)
> +++ trunk/reactos/bootdata/hivesys.inf 2005-10-26 23:26:44 UTC
> (rev
> 18782)
> @@ -365,7 +365,7 @@
>
>
>
HKLM,"SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\Afd","ErrorControl",0x00010001,0
> x00000001
>
HKLM,"SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\Afd","Group",0x00000000,"TDI"
>
>
HKLM,"SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\Afd","ImagePath",0x00020000,"sys
> tem32\drivers\afd.sys"
>
-HKLM,"SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\Afd","Start",0x00010001,0x00000
> 002
>
+HKLM,"SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\Afd","Start",0x00010001,0x00000
> 001
>
>
HKLM,"SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\Afd","Type",0x00010001,0x0000000
> 1
>
> ; Atapi miniport driver
> @@ -615,7 +615,7 @@
>
>
HKLM,"SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\Tcpip","ErrorControl",0x00010001
> ,0x00000001
>
>
HKLM,"SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\Tcpip","Group",0x00000000,"PNP_T
> DI"
>
>
HKLM,"SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\Tcpip","ImagePath",0x00020000,"s
> ystem32\drivers\tcpip.sys"
>
-HKLM,"SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\Tcpip","Start",0x00010001,0x000
> 00002
>
+HKLM,"SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\Tcpip","Start",0x00010001,0x000
> 00001
>
>
HKLM,"SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\Tcpip","Type",0x00010001,0x00000
> 001
> ; NOTE: These settings should be added by the network setup
> ; These bindings are of the windows 2000 type, and will
> probably need
> to be
>
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> > Wow, Dominic's design is just amazing. Is that a real local copy or a
> > mockup? I'm all for it, the icons and all are great!
>
> The icons are from Vista, so that's a no go. But some other bits we can
use.
> There is a discussion here with a nice screenshot :
> http://www.reactos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=985
It looks better still with an address bar in explorer :
http://reactosde.re.funpic.de/media/mediadown/2005_302962_reactgui.jpg
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Casper Hornstrup [mailto:ch@csh-consult.dk]
> Sent: 26 October 2005 18:36
> To: 'ReactOS Development List'
> Subject: RE: [ros-dev] RE: [ros-svn] [turner] 18776:
> Calculate the screensize correctly . Allow a file name input.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ros-dev-bounces(a)reactos.org
> [mailto:ros-dev-bounces@reactos.org] On Behalf Of Eric Kohl
> > Sent: 26. oktober 2005 19:06
> > To: ReactOS Development List
> > Subject: Re: [ros-dev] RE: [ros-svn] [turner] 18776:
> Calculate the screensize correctly . Allow a
> > file name input.
> >
> > Murphy, Ged (Bolton) wrote:
> >
> > > Does anyone have any objections to this?
> > >
> > > If not, I will start to move the following into rosapps tonight:
> > > binpatch
> > > driver
> > > dumprecbin
> > > infinst
> > > nts2w32err
> > > objdir
> > > partinfo
> > > patchnv4
> > > pice
> > > pnpdump
> > > sc
> > > sdkparse
> > > stats
> > > theme
> > > tickcount
> >
> > Most of these utils were/are used to develop ReactOS. They
> should stay
> > where they are because they are used by developers.
> >
> >
> > Eric
>
> [CSH] Please speak up whoever use them and don't want to
> checkout rosapps
> in order to use them.
>
> Casper
No one seems to be speaking up.
Perhaps these tools were in for historical purposes, but are now redundant.
They aren't currently included in the build, so it wouldn't generate anymore
work having them in rosapps and dropping the needed ones into
/reactos/modules as opposed to editing /apps/directory.xml
Ged.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: WaxDragon [mailto:waxdragon@gmail.com]
> Sent: 26 October 2005 17:55
> To: ReactOS Development List
> Subject: Re: [ros-dev] RE: [ros-svn] [turner] 18776:
> Calculate the screen size correctly . Allow a file name input.
> My XP install has sc (what ours does, who knows), otherwise moving
> them is fine by me. Be sure to update
> reactos/bootdata/packages/reactos.dff please.
Our current sc.exe does pretty much nothing.
I've started a full rewrite of it which I'll drop into /subsys/system when
ready
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gvg(a)svn.reactos.com wrote:
> Change Tcpip and Afd drivers from auto-start to system-start, since we don't
> auto-start device drivers yet
>
>
>
> Updated files:
> trunk/reactos/bootdata/hivesys.inf
>
Networking works again for me (Mirc)
Regards
Gge
Does React OS have function Stubs for unimplemented Windows NT 4.0 API?
Does React OS log an attempted call to an unimplemented API, tell the
user where to find it in the source tree? I believe this would help
speed up the development process of ROS.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brandon Turner [mailto:turnerb7@msu.edu]
> Sent: 26 October 2005 14:34
> To: ReactOS Development List
> Subject: Re: [ros-dev] RE: [ros-svn] [turner] 18776:
> Calculate the screen size correctly . Allow a file name input.
>
>
> Yes, i would also like to move any app that is in windows to
> reactos\apps or reactos\susbsys\system\ and leave all the unix / test
> apps in rosapps.
>
> Brandon
>
> Murphy, Ged (Bolton) wrote:
>
> >I've had a fix for this for a while, but because it's been
> in rosapps, I'd
> >forgotten about it.
> >
> >I agree with Alex's earlier comment. This is essentially a
> core app and
> >should at least be moved into /reactos/apps, if not
> /reactos/subsys/system.
> >
> >Maybe we should also consider moving some apps which are in
> /reactos/apps
> >over to /rosapps too, as there are some odd ones in there
> which are not core
> >apps, even a unix tool or two :-o
Does anyone have any objections to this?
If not, I will start to move the following into rosapps tonight:
binpatch
cat
driver
dumprecbin
infinst
nts2w32err
objdir
partinfo
patchnv4
pice
pnpdump
sc
sdkparse
stats
theme
tickcount
Should we bring in a selection of apps which are considered core to windows:
comp
find
mode
more
sort
What do we think about Solitaire and WineMine? Should they be left in
rosapps for release builds only?
They are certainly core to my Windows experience though :)
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