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RE: suggestion to close (was Re: [ros-dev] Prelude to voting for the Testing Coordinator Roles andResponsibilities.)

by Murphy, Ged (Bolton)

I like and agree with all 4 of your suggestions. -----Original Message----- From: Royce Mitchell III [mailto:royce3@ev1.net] Sent: 17 October 2005 13:32 To: ReactOS Development List Subject: suggestion to close (was Re: [ros-dev] Prelude to voting for the Testing Coordinator Roles andResponsibilities.) Here's a combination of various suggestions to hopefully begin to close this matter: 1) Go with Gé's suggestion and rename our candidates to x.x.x-FF and x.x.x-CF respectively. 2) TC has no power to block FF - doesn't make sense to do so. 3) TC has power to block CF, subject to be overruled by a vote should a majority feel it is not critical enough. 4) No matter which way we enter CF, it takes an informal vote on the ML to drop back to FF for major discovered bugs - but any single developer can request and be granted a formal vote. Andrew, would you still be willing to run for TC and continue the absolutely fantastic work you've done there given these, assuming everybody would agree to them? ************************************************************************ The information contained in this message or any of its attachments is confidential and is intended for the exclusive use of the addressee. The information may also be legally privileged. The views expressed may not be company policy, but the personal views of the originator. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or other dissemination or use of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please contact postmaster(a)exideuk.co.uk <mailto:postmaster@exideuk.co.uk> and then delete this message. Exide Technologies is an industrial and transportation battery producer and recycler with operations in 89 countries. Further information can be found at www.exide.com

19 years, 4 months

Prelude to voting for the Testing Coordinator Roles and Responsibilities.

by WaxDragon

Hello everyone. I think there is alot of time and energy being wasted regarding the Testing Coordinator role, and it's responsibilities. First the responsibilites need to be solidified. When I started acting in the TC role, this was the outline I was shown by Alex, and agreed to perform: http://www.reactos.org/wiki/index.php/ReactOS_Testing_Coordinator I am pretty pleased with the description, and have managed to balace performing these responsibilities with having a real life, wife and child included. Seems everyone agrees I am doing acceptably. I've tried to review the stability of ReactOS about once a week, since it takes about 4 to 5 solid hours to build debug and release builds, install them, load test applications and check out regressions, bugs, and newly working features. I've tried to keep the bugzilla database up to date, and filled with "Good Bugs", and I even wrote up a wiki article on how to do so. http://www.reactos.org/wiki/index.php/File_Bugs. I have tried to steer people away from reporting bugs in the IRC channel and the forums. I am usually available on IRC, and occationally surf the forums for bug reports and reminders. The last part of the obligations of the TC is the working applicaitons list, and when Alex and I discussed this, he came up with the example listed, but it was understood that the format of list was flexible. This is sort of what the "State of the Repository" emails have been about. I am collecting notes on a testing method than can be applied by our more inclined users, and a way to integrate a "testing database" that can show the status of apps using reports submitted by users or a testing team. I am also working on updating the parts of the wiki that involves testing in some manner, including building the source (and setting up the environment), using virtual machines to test, debugging, filing bugs and so on.. Please review and discuss. I would like to have the vote as soon as possible. Thanks for everyone's support, WD -- <arty> don't question it ... it's clearly an optimization

19 years, 4 months

RE: [ros-dev] Constitution

by Murphy, Ged (Bolton)

Freworld wrote wrote: > If the forum is not the form you like I could include another form of > website voting. You could also peculate voting mails on the mailing > list. This project stands on a certain factor of trust. I personally think we should open up a new section in the forums entitled 'Voting' Everyone with commit access should be placed in the 'developer' group and the developer group should be given write access to this section. Polls should be made using the built in voting system. Should the 'voting' section should be made read only, or invisible to other users? Results should be posted onto the wiki > Perhaps we should make a vote which voting system is preferred? :) Although ironic, I think this is the only way. We will need a few more suggestions first of how the voting system should work. Ged. ************************************************************************ The information contained in this message or any of its attachments is confidential and is intended for the exclusive use of the addressee. The information may also be legally privileged. The views expressed may not be company policy, but the personal views of the originator. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or other dissemination or use of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please contact postmaster(a)exideuk.co.uk <mailto:postmaster@exideuk.co.uk> and then delete this message. Exide Technologies is an industrial and transportation battery producer and recycler with operations in 89 countries. Further information can be found at www.exide.com

19 years, 4 months

RE: [ros-dev] Constitution

by Murphy, Ged (Bolton)

This sounds reasonable. Phpbb can use the feature whereby only a set group can post in a certain section of the forum, in this case, the developer group in the voting section. This also gives the added bonus of being a secret ballot, as Ge requested. Comments can be made without polluting the topic, and the results can be written to the wiki. -----Original Message----- From: Freworld [mailto:michael@freeworld.net] Sent: 17 October 2005 09:19 To: ReactOS Development List Subject: Re: [ros-dev] Constitution Perhaps we should vote on the website rather than on the mailinglist? The mailinglist could be used for the discussion about what exactly the vote will be and to make the vote public with a link (most people don't look at the website but at the mailinglist). With the new login system it would be no problem to control that only committers can vote. This way we would have a clean overlook what decisions were taken and what was decided exactly. If there is an interest in this I would implement it into the website. Greetings Michael Casper Hornstrup wrote: > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: ros-dev-bounces(a)reactos.org [mailto:ros-dev-bounces@reactos.org] On Behalf Of Ge van Geldorp >>Sent: 16. oktober 2005 23:56 >>To: 'ReactOS Development List' >>Subject: RE: [ros-dev] Constitution >> >>Looks good. A few comments: >> >>The Registered Project Members can (by General Resolution) override any >>decision made by the Project Coordinator or the Area Coordinators. However, >>the Repository Coordinator and Project Secretary can make decisions >>"preferably consistent with the consensus of the Project Members". It seems >>to me that Registered Project Members should be able to override their >>decisions too. >> >> > >[CSH] Right. How about changing: >* Override any decision made by the Project Coordinator or Area Coordinator. >* Appoint or dismiss the Project Coordinator or Area Coordinator. > >to >* Override any decision made by the Project Secretary or any Coordinator. >* Appoint or dismiss the Project Secretary or any Coordinator. > > > >>There is a mandatory 1 week discussion period and 1 week voting period for >>each vote, with no escape clause. For some votes (whether to release or not >>comes to mind) 2 weeks seems a bit long. Can we change it so that the >>proposer can ask for shorter periods, with a safeguard that the shorter >>periods will be denied if a single Registered Project Member objects? >> >> > >[CSH] I thought of having a "quick vote" for decisions which are needed here >and now (like whether or not to release now) and not necessarily need to be >documented anywhere else than the mailing lists for future reference, but how >would you define the two? >Maybe we could allow the Registered Project Member that calls for the vote to >choose any number of days of voting period less than 7 days, but at least 2? >days and no discussion period? Any Registered Project Member already has the >right to demand a revote at any time (maybe there should be some protection >from abuse of that right? One could spam until he/she gets what he/she wants). > > > >>I really would like Coordinator Elections to be secret (or private, not sure >>what the correct English term is). I should be able to cast my vote without >>the candidates knowing on who (or even if) I voted. I believe this should be >>explicitly mentioned in the Coordinator Elections voting procedure. >> >>Ge van Geldorp. >> >> >[CSH] We haven't done secret elections before. I could go either way. If it's >secret then you put a lot of power into one person, the person that collects >the votes (most likely the Project Secretary). What procedure would you suggest? > >Casper > >_______________________________________________ >Ros-dev mailing list >Ros-dev(a)reactos.org >http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev > > > > _______________________________________________ Ros-dev mailing list Ros-dev(a)reactos.org http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev ************************************************************************ The information contained in this message or any of its attachments is confidential and is intended for the exclusive use of the addressee. The information may also be legally privileged. The views expressed may not be company policy, but the personal views of the originator. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or other dissemination or use of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please contact postmaster(a)exideuk.co.uk <mailto:postmaster@exideuk.co.uk> and then delete this message. Exide Technologies is an industrial and transportation battery producer and recycler with operations in 89 countries. Further information can be found at www.exide.com

19 years, 4 months

Team work

by Lucio Diaz

Jason Filby wrote: Message: 5 Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 09:04:49 -0600 From: Jason Filby <jason.filby(a)gmail.com> Subject: Re: [ros-dev] Break To: ReactOS Development List <ros-dev(a)reactos.org> Message-ID: <e7a1591e0510160804q74f7424fy1e8a6b53ff39d4b0(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 That doesn't seem to tie in with people leaving if they're not told that they are right. Regards Jason On 10/15/05, Royce Mitchell III <royce3(a)ev1.net> wrote: > Would you be so kind as to at least commit your work-in-progress code to > a branch, please? > > _______________________________________________ > Ros-dev mailing list > Ros-dev(a)reactos.org > http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev > ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 09:06:56 -0600 From: Jason Filby <jason.filby(a)gmail.com> Subject: Re: [ros-dev] Break To: ReactOS Development List <ros-dev(a)reactos.org> Message-ID: <e7a1591e0510160806jf1ddb50le7e3154168a23a(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On 10/15/05, James Tabor <jimtabor(a)adsl-64-217-116-74.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net> wrote: > TC was voted for and I consider it closed business. Wax has the job deal > with it! Mostly on IRC! That's not the way we've agreed to do things. > I'm not against you. Just because some of us miss the Memo does not make them right! Well excuse me. > Before anyone complains, they should open their minds and read what Alex > has to say. Right, and Alex is a great listener. Jason ----------------------------------- I am not a developer, but i am an adult man, with some experience with team working and have been reading this mailing list since the begining, and what can i say? First: I have seen Alex Ionescu apologicing, often, so yes, drop IRONY, Alex is a great listener, and NO! it is not easy to find people who would apologice nowadays. Second: I saw the loss of focus in this proyect for a long time, with the largely delayed 0.3.0, and it have being people like Alex, Filip, Ge, Waxdragon, Tabor... who took the torch and carried the proyect for a full year. Third: I have seen Alex Ionescu as the one in the center of all discusions, and he could be fast to answer, but he proved to be as fast to apologice, and that i have not seen from some other developers. Four: It IS NORMAL, to have discussions where you are working in such a big proyect, not everyone can have the same vision of a whole OS, but what have NO sense, is to harass people for doing their work well, just cause there is not a F* paper about their "election". Fith: I thought this was an open source project, so people commit if they want, if they dont they dont, period. Harassing people wont grow the developer base. I have been following this proyect before 0.2 was released, i even submited some documentation and i wonder if i have been wasting my time. Sorry if i look a bit angry, but i AM a bit angry as i see several good developers force to leave for this kind of avoidable situations even if i can not (but wish) help with code. Good luck, Lucio Diaz-Flores Varela. ______________________________________________ Renovamos el Correo Yahoo! Nuevos servicios, más seguridad http://correo.yahoo.es

19 years, 4 months

Change of Project Coordinator

by Jason Filby

Hi all I've decided that now is the best time to step down as Project Coordinator. The process to vote for a new PC will be - as previously decided for this type of decision - that only registered committers can vote. Regards Jason PS - I've cc'd the developers on leave as to not exclude anyone

19 years, 4 months

OK, Time for a few words..

by TwoTailedFox

I've seen quite a few users propose ideas, such as a new GUI, or new functionality, only to be told it doesn't fit in with the Core Goal of ReactOS. ReactOS is all about creating a Win32-compatible Operating System. Now, later on, when the Kernel is sufficiently developed, we can do what Linux does, and create "Distributions". I had a look at the KDE/Ros Thread, and noted that a version of that, and GNOME may well be available for Windows next year. If the UI Team chooses to Grow, you can offer, for example mind you, a Core ReactOS System, with Windows Classic, and one or more "Distributions", with a different GUI, such as KDE or GNOME. Same goes for ReactOS in different 'roles'. Offering versions aimed at Workstations, Servers, or even for Educational/Testing use, would be feasible down the line. Just my 0.02c -- "I had a handle on life, but then it broke"

19 years, 4 months

New ReactOS Newsletter. Now Live on ReactOS.org

by TwoTailedFox

Hello All. Just sending out an announcement that Issue 1 of the new ReactOS Weekly Newsletter is now available for viewing on http://www.reactos.org Thanks to GvG for showing me the internals of RosCMS, Bac9 on #reactos for helping with validation checks, and dnordenberg, again on #reactos, for offering to help with the Newsletter in the form of an XML-Based back-end, to come soon. -- "I had a handle on life, but then it broke"

19 years, 4 months

Alex.

by Lucio Diaz

Alex Ionescu wrote: Hi, Since it seems Emanuele has not made a post about this yet, maybe I should... I have been informed that due to time and focus reasons, Emanuele has decided to leave the project for an indeterminate time (forever?). I wish him the best of luck, and I thank him for his contributions to ReactOS. I have also talked to Filip lately, and I have understood from him that he will also be gone for the next month or two. Finally, in light of recent events, I feel that it's also best if I follow the example and take a break as well. I was undecided before, but the recent fight over the TC has convinced me that maybe this isn't the best place or time for me to apply my knowledge. I'm bit sick of being always the one in the middle of a fight. First I was blamed for always breaking the tree or causing incompatibilities, and now I'm blamed for project decisions as well. I really have too many things to worry about in life then to spend my life fighting all the time. I don't care that there are 40 people on IRC that agree with me, but when Jason and Ge, which are the two most influencial members of this project seem to be set against me, then I don't want to cause any more trouble. Best regards, Alex Ionescu ------------------------------------------ After being reading this mailing list for over a year i can really understand Alex, Period. Lucio Diaz-Flores Varela. ______________________________________________ Renovamos el Correo Yahoo! Nuevos servicios, más seguridad http://correo.yahoo.es

19 years, 4 months

Break

by Alex Ionescu

Hi, Since it seems Emanuele has not made a post about this yet, maybe I should... I have been informed that due to time and focus reasons, Emanuele has decided to leave the project for an indeterminate time (forever?). I wish him the best of luck, and I thank him for his contributions to ReactOS. I have also talked to Filip lately, and I have understood from him that he will also be gone for the next month or two. Finally, in light of recent events, I feel that it's also best if I follow the example and take a break as well. I was undecided before, but the recent fight over the TC has convinced me that maybe this isn't the best place or time for me to apply my knowledge. I'm bit sick of being always the one in the middle of a fight. First I was blamed for always breaking the tree or causing incompatibilities, and now I'm blamed for project decisions as well. I really have too many things to worry about in life then to spend my life fighting all the time. I don't care that there are 40 people on IRC that agree with me, but when Jason and Ge, which are the two most influencial members of this project seem to be set against me, then I don't want to cause any more trouble. Best regards, Alex Ionescu

19 years, 4 months

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