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Re: [ros-dev] Copyright notices
by Quandary 29 Jun '05

29 Jun '05

On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 05:16:16PM +0200, Eric Kohl wrote: > Lucio Diaz wrote: > >Third post, but, i downloaded their source code, > >and it seems the original copyright notices are > >there, so they are not violating the GNU licence. > > > >Best regards, > >Lucio Diaz. > > The Hostilix 'developers' are still guilty of > willful misrepresentation of the copyright because > 1) They added their copyright to otherwise unchanged > files and 2) they can only claim a copyright for the > year 2005 but not from 1999 to 2005. > > So they are still violating the GPL. They aren't violating the GPL by misrepresentation (per se); they're (likely) violating the underlying copyright law by making a false claim to ownership. There's a subtle difference ;). -- Travis __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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Re: [ros-dev] Re: Copyright notices
by Quandary 29 Jun '05

29 Jun '05

On Wed, Jun 29, 2005 at 11:09:01AM +0200, Rafal Kupiec wrote: > I think, now we're not violating the GPL. > for eg: >http://svn.berlios.de/wsvn/hostilix/trunk/Sources/apps/notepad/dialog.c?op=… You know, it would have been WAY simpler if you had just not screwed with -any- of the file headers in the first place. Grab the latest ReactOS SVN, export it, re-import it into your SVN, then DON'T MESS WITH THE COPYRIGHT NOTICES. I mean, you've obviously had to do a lot of work to add your name and replace the contents of the other files, and look at how much good it's done you? In reality, the "right" process is really, really easy. It's not necessary to plaster your name all over the place, especially if you haven't done anything in a given file. Whenever you make a change, just add your copyright to the start of the file. It's that easy. It means you do 0 work up front, *and* you don't have angry devs breathing down your neck about blatently ripping them off. "Branding" all of the files, to be frank, is a *very* stupid waste of your time, and has (clearly) only served to piss everyone off. Now, that's not to say people still won't be disgruntled about it, but they'll grumble much more quietly -- and it's WAY easier for you to cover your ass by saying "all of the original copyright notices in the source are intact" (because if you only add notices, it doesn't remove or alter the existing notices). Release everything under GPL, and bam... you shouldn't run into too much trouble. Cheers, -- Travis ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com

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my first time - userenv lang file
by Sebastian Gasiorek 28 Jun '05

28 Jun '05

Hi,. I'm polish fan of ReactOS. I would like to help you in making ReactOS better. I have some developer skills with C++ on Windows (x86, CE) platform but i don't have enough time to help you in this area (maybe i'm to sluggish :-( ). At this time i would like to help you with translating ReactOS to Polish language. In attachement there is a polish translation of userenv. Sorry for my poor english. Sebastian Gasiorek

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28 Jun '05

Third post, but, i downloaded their source code, and it seems the original copyright notices are there, so they are not violating the GNU licence. Best regards, Lucio Diaz. ______________________________________________ Renovamos el Correo Yahoo! Nuevos servicios, más seguridad http://correo.yahoo.es

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28 Jun '05

http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/gpl-violation.html Violations of the GPL, LGPL, and GFDL "how the license was violated: Is the copyright notice of the copyright holder included?" Best regards, Lucio Diaz. ______________________________________________ Renovamos el Correo Yahoo! Nuevos servicios, más seguridad http://correo.yahoo.es

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28 Jun '05

Regardless of its legality, removing copyright notes from the sources, thus refusing the right of the authors, is RUDE. There would have been no problem, i am quite sure, if they have just forked reactos and left copyright notices (adding their names to the contributing if they add to source in the files). For example, we did not remove the wine copyright notices. Still i believe many judges would consider this a copyright infringment, why? Cause the license says: "We protect your rights with two steps: (1) copyright the software, and (2) offer you this license which gives you legal permission to copy, distribute and/or modify the software." The licence gives you permision to modify the software (thus the source code), but says nothing about granting the right to modify the copyright notices. This is something to be said by an advocate of course. My best sugestion would be to contact the FSF, explain the situation, and ask them what to do. Best regards, Lucio Diaz. ______________________________________________ Renovamos el Correo Yahoo! Nuevos servicios, más seguridad http://correo.yahoo.es

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Re: [ros-dev] Pissoff hotlix
by Quandary 27 Jun '05

27 Jun '05

On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 12:28:26AM +0200, KJKHyperion wrote: > Quandary wrote: > > >1) links, please. > > > > > It was MicroBSD (http://www.microbsd.net/). The > case: > >http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=openbsd-misc&m=104581971124603&w=4 >http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=openbsd-misc&m=104568226621371&w=4 You will notice that there is an express written request to "[leave the] copyright notice intact" in this example. -- Travis __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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Re: [ros-dev] Pissoff hotlix
by Quandary 27 Jun '05

27 Jun '05

On Mon, Jun 27, 2005 at 10:43:26PM +0200, KJKHyperion wrote: > Quandary wrote: > > > And that's my point exactly -- you'd need a lawyer > > to interpret that, and ultimately it's the judge > > who makes the final decision > > nope. In these matters, the copyright holder > basically owns your ass. We can revoke all rights to > anyone we please. That depends on the jurisdiction, which is another big whole mess. No one person owns the copyright, here, and there are contributors in lots of countries. So... which court would this even be tried in? Whose laws apply? We don't have a revokation clause in the license; does this mean it's revokable? Non-revokable? Again, you need a lawyer and *some* semblance of jurisdiction before you can even begin to start untangling this mess. > Copyleft is just good manners, copyright is the > law. Remember this already happened: a fork of > OpenBSD was killed by license termination in > response to copyright misrepresentation - and, boy, > does it take a special brand of stupidity to manage > to violate a BSD license 1) links, please. 2) Copyleft is law, too -- since it's based directly on copyright. Some licenses leverage that legal ability (GPL), some don't (BSD). > That said, the Hostilix people have no shame and no > fear; they are well-known copyright violators (their > WinuxOS was a repackaged Windows 2000, wasting > SourceForge's bandwidth too) and are doing their > best to alienate us; they are a bunch of loser punk > posers who embarass the whole OS-development scene. > Let them get away with it, they are do-no-good hacks > and nothing can punish them worse than simply > existing. Hostilix will die naturally from the > complete lack of any form of skill on the part of > the pathetic clowns who conceived it Agreed. -- Travis __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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Off-topic: Open Mac OS X???
by Rick Langschultz 27 Jun '05

27 Jun '05

Hello, I was wondering if someone was interested in writing an open source version of Mac OS X. I know about Darwin already so please don't comment about it. I was thinking that Darwin could be a base for this project. I figure it could start out like a 10.0 version with minimal application support to allow Mac OS X binaries to run. Maybe on either PPC or x86 but even better x86_64. Tell me what you think.

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Re: [ros-dev] Pissoff hotlix
by Quandary 27 Jun '05

27 Jun '05

On Mon, Jun 27, 2005 at 04:32:25PM -0500, Rick Langschultz wrote: > I understand the terms and conditions of all of the > licenses about open source software, but this is out > of left field. Please be a little more specific in > the details why you have composed this email. Many > of us don't use IRC, at least I don't. So please > explain what is going on. That is just courtesy. > <snip> Search the list for "HostiliX". The whole thing started on the list with an unsolicited E-mail from another project informing us that they were essentially forking ReactOS. Much discussion about the topic has followed those initial E-mails. -- Travis __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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