Re: [ros-dev] Pale Moon drops ReactOS support

[Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo]

And why does few developers, companies and such support NT5? Because MS
dropped support for those systems. But if ReactOS revives that support,
maybe companies will support us.

On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 10:22 PM, Riccardo Paolo Bestetti <
riccardo.kyogre(a)live.it&gt; wrote:

>   I'd like to drop my two cents, just because I
> really believe in this
>  project's filosofy. Since things have gotten pretty hot in the past,
>  especially when someone who is not a developer intervened in a discussion,
>  let me apprise you that my only intention it to bring in the point of view
>  of a potential user that really wants to see ReactOS happen and isn't
>  emotionally attached to the work that has been done.
>
>  The reality is that very very few manufacturers and developers still
>  support NT5 and all of them are going to drop support in the next few
>  years. This is just a fact. NT5 is legacy software and there's nothing no
>  one can do about that.
>
>  I've followed this project and this mailing list for the past five years
>  and in this time I've upgraded all of the computer systems of my father's
>  business to Windows 7 and then to Windows 10, because all the pieces of
>  software they run dropped support for NT5, one after another. They still
>  have a single machine in the whole building running Windows XP, for legacy
>  software, and honestly they don't use it very often. In my school, pretty
>  much the same. And even if someone, for whatever reason, intends to run NT5
>  for 10 more years, why should (s)he re-setup all the systems again to run
>  ReactOS instead of keeping Windows XP?
>
>  The point is, you can either implement the architecture that runs all of
>  the computer in building, or the architecture that runs that one legacy
>  machine. And even that would happen if and only if you can achieve 100%
>  compatibility with all of NT5 and Windows XP bugs and quirks and give
>  people a really good reason to reinstall the OS on such machines, and sorry
>  that's just not gonna happen.
>
>  I get why some of you may want to stick to NT5, but you have to be aware
>  that if you do that ReactOS will never be used in the real world. No reason
>  to stick to NT5 is good enough, since no one out there needs or wants NT5.
>  Hell, it would probably be easier for a business to switch from NT6 to
>  GNU/Linux than to go back to NT5.
>
>  Again, these are just the two cents of a guy that works in the field.
>
>  Best regards,
>  --- *Riccardo Paolo Bestetti*
>
>  Il 16/05/2016 16:42, Ged Murphy ha scritto:
>
>  But you’re missing the point. The problem is that modern software is
>  leaving XP behind and focusing on Win7 as a minimum recommended requirement.
>
>  What use is ReactOS if none of the modern browsers or applications will
>  run on it? It limits the OS to being a compatibility solution for older
>  software, or a POS device. No one really wants to see that.
>
>
>
>  I think the best solution to start with is to keep reporting as 5.2 in the
>  kernel, but allowing developers to start moving to the NT6 model. An
>  mish-mash of NT5 and NT6 can co-exist as long things are done sensibly.
>  e.g. adding IO cancelation to our NT5 kernel isn’t going to make us
>  incompatible for XP’s drivers, but it allows us to implement an NT6 feature
>  which hugely benefits the OS. Other obvious candidates are unimplemented
>  areas such as the fltmgr . Why implement the 2k3 fltmgr when we can
>  implement a later fltmgr model which still loads older filter drivers.
>
>
>
>  Usermode should also still report as win2k3 (at least in the short term),
>  but start to add NT6 APIs directly into the codebase instead of using a
>  shim. We then maintain a whitelist of processes that don’t run on ros due
>  to a minimum requirement issue, and they get a modified result from
>  VerifyVersionInfo (and friends) to a later OS version.
>
>
>
>  The above changes keep things pretty simple to start with, and allow us to
>  move forward almost immediately with very little infrastructure work.
>
>
>
>  Ged.
>
>
>
>
>
>  *From:* Ros-dev [mailto:[e-mail]
>  &lt;ros-dev-bounces(a)reactos.org&gt;] *On Behalf Of *Javier Agustìn Fernàndez
>  Arroyo
>  *Sent:* 15 May 2016 22:55
>  *To:* ReactOS Development List &lt;ros-dev(a)reactos.org&gt; &lt;ros-dev(a)reactos.org&gt;
>  *Subject:* Re: [ros-dev] Pale Moon drops ReactOS support
>
>
>
>  "Being runnable only on old computers"
>
>  I think this is a bad understanding of the problem....
>
>  By such statement, it seems that ReactOS will only work on old computers.
>  And thats not true.
>
>  ReactOS may work in any computer where there is hardware drivers for. And,
>  as such, any software written for XP/2k3/ReactOS will work in that computer.
>
>  And afaik, manufacturers are still releasing drivers compatible with XP :)
>  (nVidia, for example....)
>
>
>
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