30 Dec
2013
30 Dec
'13
4:29 p.m.
Not a flame war....
Missing pieces, like ATI, window positioning, focus, more, more and
the big killer!!! ALT-TAB no where to be seen in wine! So technically
you will wind up developing a full blown subsystem anyway. Keeping up
with current bug reports this would have been obvious to see. Back to
holes in the code which ReactOS eliminated too because it was calling
into X11, these missing pieces is why ReactOS fails some tests and
more evident application testing. Example, run Click to Send AHK test
for notepad on wine. Same results as before with ReactOS. Now with the
new patch, it works on ReactOS. Notepad writes and saves to the
desktop.
It does seem for me at least, to be a wast of time to push something
knowing it will wind up at the very same place one had started. Those
holes are big.
Wine is not enough,
James
On 12/30/13, Aleksey Bragin <aleksey(a)reactos.org> wrote:
Thanks, I thought I would end up talking to myself
:-)
Well, I totally eliminated X11 out of Wine. It was not that hard really,
nearly all good code was in place already, the only thing which I had to
develop was a very small "window manager". Literally, which would manage
list of windows in the current window station and desktop, and issue
redraw messages when certain window gets focus.
"A little flame never killed nobody"
Regards,
Aleksey
On 30.12.2013 8:17, James Tabor wrote:
Well.
Moving forwarded is hard for the weak heart. We strive to survive.
Arwiness will fail.
Testing so far proves this. Without X11 wine could not do the things
it can. Seems also, Mac OS does the same thing, filling in those holes
that wine lacks. Hacking X11 is the same, you need to know where to
place the traces. Stay actively focus there is still more to come into
the foreground.
Everyone all around say, "2014 is their year". Let this be ReactOS year!
Happy New Year ReactOS,
James
On 12/29/13, Timo Kreuzer <timo.kreuzer(a)web.de> wrote:
> Well, some people prefer working on Arwinss, some people prefer working
> on the old win32 subsystem, some people prefer working on a C++ memory
> manager ... ;-)
>
>
> Am 28.12.2013 21:52, schrieb Aleksey Bragin:
>> Hi,
>> this message is a bit provocative, but please don't be offended by it.
>> You all did a wonderful work during this year. Thank you!
>>
>> It's very good to see the work is going on. Just for fun, when I had
>> spare 15 minutes, I decided to check, what was done in the win32
>> subsystem during this year by the major, respectable and very old time
>> ReactOS developer, and whether my proposal with Arwinss still stands
>> or not.
>>
>> Here is what I found: (analyzing ~ 62 commits by jimtabor):
>>
>> - 25 revisions: Fixes/hacks of our code (ReactOS-specific bug, works
>> in Wine, sometimes says in comments "//// ReactOS : Justin Case
>> something goes wrong.") (revs 58528, 58562, 58563, 58633, 58773,
>> 58999, 59000, 59201, 60054, 60587, 60590, 60592, 60622, 60626, 60659,
>> 60676, 60677, 60881, 61078, 61079, 61142, 61250, 61251, 61292, 61458)
>>
>> - 13 revisions: Syncs with Wine (revs 59157, 59158, 59159, 60763,
>> 60784, 60807, 60820, 60858, 60863, 60865, 60867, 61244, 61422)
>>
>> - 14 revisions: Own code development or rewriting old code, some of
>> which might have been derived from ancient versions of Wine.
>> (60387, 60389, 60394, 60539, 60599, 60602, 60660, 60682, 60683, 60684,
>> 60718, 60883, 60976, 60992)
>>
>> - 1 revision: attempt to fix a bug found in Wine (revision 60054,
>> issue CORE-6024)
>>
>> You don't need to be a scientist to see that 61% of the changes went
>> into fixing ReactOS specific bugs or just bringing in newer Wine code
>> to fix old Wine bugs. Remaining 22% of efforts was spent on actually
>> developing our own, assumingly better code, and just 1 revision was
>> spent on such a glorious thing as fixing Wine's bug.
>>
>> ReactOS is a just for fun type of project, so I highly appreciate that
>> efforts were put into all of the above!
>> However, I still think that it would be beneficial if someone would
>> put similar efforts into Arwinss to eliminate the need to bring in
>> hacks and fix stuff which works in Wine for years already, and focus
>> on developing only those parts which we obviously can't share (GDI,
>> hardware accelerated graphics, whatever else).
>>
>> I lack time to do this myself, but if anyone volunteers I would be
>> glad to help, share my experience and think up of interesting tasks.
>> Like, getting Arwinss to work in Windows 2003 instead of its native
>> subsystem, which would be a nice test.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Aleksey Bragin
>>
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