Re: [ros-dev] [ros-diffs] [ekohl] 61145: [FASTFAT] FsdGetFsVolumeInformation: Return volume creation time.

[Hermès BÉLUSCA - MAÏTO]

Nice idea Pierre!

About this license we're talking about: yes I understand as Aleksander: that
you can only use fastfat or derived works from it, on an (authentic) Windows
OS (just my 2 cents, I'm not a lawyer too).

Hermès.

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Objet : Re: [ros-dev] [ros-diffs] [ekohl] 61145: [FASTFAT]
FsdGetFsVolumeInformation: Return volume creation time.

Hi all,

Let's the experts do.

I've contacted the April (French association which mission is to promote and
defend FOSS). They can answer about licensing issues (they propose it
through their contact form).

I'll keep you informed with their answers, highlights, and so on.

Regards,

On 11/29/2013 06:05 PM, Alexander Andrejevic wrote:
>   I suppose it depends on how you interpret it.
>  To me, "...extend only to the software or derivative works that you 
>  create that run on a Microsoft Windows operating system product" 
>  sounds like the program must run on Windows exclusively. It's not "... 
>  that you create to run ...", but "... that you create that run ...".
>
>  Regards,
>  Alexander
>
>  On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 05:55:08PM +0100, David Quintana (gigaherz) wrote:
> > I do not agree on the "unless it's on Microsoft Windows" part. The 
> > license grants apply if it is "created to run directly" on windows, 
> > which I understand as "it can run anywhere else, also, just as long 
> > as it runs in windows without an intermediary".
> >
> > On 29 November 2013 17:51, Alexander Andrejevic 
> > <theflash(a)sdf.lonestar.org> wrote:
> >> Fastfat is located inside its own binary, so this is considered 
> >> "mere aggregation", and that is not the problem. (See
https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#MereAggregation).
>  >> The problem is that you don't even have a
> license to use it or 
> >> distribute it, unless it's on Microsoft Windows.
> >> Then again, I'm not a lawyer either and I could be wrong too. It 
> >> would be great if someone who knows a lot about licenses explained this.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Alexander
> >>
> >> On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 05:35:21PM +0100, David Quintana (gigaherz) 
wrote:
>  >>> The exact words of the license, as seen at
>
> >>> http://www.ohloh.net/licenses/mslpl (I couldn't find a better link 
> >>> for it), are:
> >>>
> >>> "4. (F) Platform Limitation- The licenses granted in sections 2(A) 
> >>> &
> >>> 2(B) extend only to the software or derivative works that you 
> >>> create that run on a Microsoft Windows operating system product."
> >>>
> >>> Excluding that term, the rest of the license is mostly a 
> >>> differently-worded BSD license. If it only needs to be tested in 
> >>> windows to ensure that it works there, then there should be 
> >>> absolutely no problem including it in ReactOS, as long as the terms 
> >>> don't conflict with the other licenses' terms. And GPL with the 
> >>> ReactOS exception, as far as I can tell, allows it. I'm not a 
> >>> lawyer, though, so I could be wrong.
> >>>
> >>> On 29 November 2013 16:17, Alexander Andrejevic 
> >>> <theflash(a)sdf.lonestar.org> wrote:
> >>>> Hi Ged,
> >>>>
> >>>> Are you sure that we can use software released under the MS-LPL? 
> >>>> It has a rather weird limitation in section 4, which says that you can
only use it on a "Microsoft Windows operating system product".
>  >>>> Since ReactOS is not Windows, that
> would mean we can't use it.
> >>>> Please correct me if I'm wrong.
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards,
> >>>> Alexander
> >>>>
> >>>> On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 02:58:51PM -0000, Ged Murphy wrote:
> >>>>> Hi Eric,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I know this has been discussed before, but should we not just bite
the bullet and replace this driver with the Microsoft driver.
>  >>>>> The MS_LPL license allows it to be
> used in reactos, and it would 
certainly get rid of any unknowns  and give us a
reliable filesystem to work
from.
>  >>>>>
> >>>>> http://code.msdn.microsoft.com/windowshardware/fastfat-File-Syste
> >>>>> m-Driver-135bdf34/view/SourceCode
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Ged.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: ros-diffs-bounces(a)reactos.org 
> >>>>> [mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of 
> >>>>> ekohl(a)svn.reactos.org
> >>>>> Sent: 29 November 2013 14:06
> >>>>> To: ros-diffs(a)reactos.org
> >>>>> Subject: [ros-diffs] [ekohl] 61145: [FASTFAT]
FsdGetFsVolumeInformation: Return volume creation time.
>  >>>>>
> >>>>> Author: ekohl
> >>>>> Date: Fri Nov 29 14:05:43 2013
> >>>>> New Revision: 61145
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
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