Re: [ros-dev] Opening up #reactos-dev to the public

[Mark Jansen]

In that case I can stop paying attention to jira, since the perception
is that we do not care anyway.
This will free up a reasonable amount of time that I can spend on
parts of reactos that only i care about.

On 25 March 2017 at 14:01, Alexander Rechitskiy <art1st-tm(a)yandex.ru> wrote:
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>  “Talk is cheap. Show me the code.” ― Linus Torvalds
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>  Speed of development of ReactOS is really slow. Developers do not care even
>  about reports in JIRA. This discussion is sensles and useless because
>  regardless of the it's result nothing will be better in ReactOS.
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>  25.03.2017, 15:52, "Robert Naumann" <gonzomdx(a)gmail.com>om>:
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>  There should simply be more devs in #reactos. Some are, but many are not.
>  Everyone of us is able to give voice to newbies and direct dev related
>  conversations to the dev channel. When we open this chan to the public we
>  could instead remove it and do everything via #reactos.
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>  Am 25.03.2017 13:33 schrieb "David Quintana (gigaherz)"
>  <gigaherz(a)gmail.com>om>:
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>  I don't see any usefulness in a #reactos-gsoc. It would isolate the gsoc
>  people, rather than help them integrate into the team. Remember Google isn't
>  just giving projects some free labor, the goal is to introduce new devs into
>  the communities with the idea of them remaining in those communities. So
>  being in the main channels should be part of the goal of gsoc.
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>  On 25 March 2017 at 08:53, Michael Fritscher <michael(a)fritscher.net> wrote:
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>  Too many chans will clutter it, in the end the devs will have to join 10
>  chans. The chans aren't that high-traffic ones.
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>  I think we should yust try to do a -m and see what happens.
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> >   Yes, that's a better idea. #reactos-gsoc
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> >  On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 6:53 PM, Alex Ionescu <ionucu(a)videotron.ca> wrote:
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> > >   I don't agree. Maintain the auto-voice lists
> > > and get someone in charge
> > >  of
> > >  operations, like I used to be for many years on IRC.
> > >
> > >  Instead, why not create a #reactos-gsoc or something?
> > >
> > >  Best regards,
> > >  Alex Ionescu
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> > >  On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 11:19 AM, Mark Jansen <learn0more+ros(a)gmail.com>
> > >  wrote:
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> > > >   We can always try it out?
> > > >  If it doesnt work, restoring it is a simple as setting a flag on the
> > > >  channel.
> > > >
> > > >  On 24 March 2017 at 16:31, David Quintana (gigaherz)
> > > >  <gigaherz(a)gmail.com>
> > > >  wrote:
> > > >  > I disagree -- if we can be firm about the channel being only for
> > > >  development
> > > >  > talk, things should remain mostly as they are now.
> > > >  >
> > > >  > In any community, there's inevitably going to be idle talk, offtopic
> > > >  > conversations, etc. If you only have ONE place to talk in, all those
> > > >  thigns
> > > >  > are going to be mixed in with actual dev talk, but if you have clear
> > > >  rooms
> > > >  > set for each thing, the majority of people will be happy to leave all
> > > >  the
> > > >  > offtopic talk to the main channel, and dev talk to the dev channel.
> > > >  >
> > > >  > It works for plenty other projects and communities so there's no
> > > >  reason
> > > >  to
> > > >  > be pessimistic and think that "our idiots are worse". It's simply not
> > > >  true.
> > > >  >
> > > >  > I vote for trying, and we can always put back the +m if things get
> > > >  out
> > > >  of
> > > >  > hand.
> > > >  >
> > > >  > On 24 March 2017 at 16:13, Hermès BÉLUSCA-MAà TO
> > > >  <hermes.belusca(a)sfr.fr>
> > > >  > wrote:
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> > > >  >> I don’t approve the idea. The fact is that if the devs quit
> > > >  originally
> > > >  >> #reactos, it’s because it was generally too noisy, etc… . If we
> > > >  remove
> > > >  the
> > > >  >> moderation irc bit in #reactos-dev, you may expect the same
> > > >  phenomenon
> > > >  to
> > > >  >> occur in #reactos-dev too.
> > > >  >>
> > > >  >>
> > > >  >>
> > > >  >> De : Ros-dev [mailto:[e-mail]] De la part de
> > > >  David
> > > >  >> Quintana (gigaherz)
> > > >  >> Envoyé : vendredi 24 mars 2017 11:35
> > > >  >> À : ReactOS Development List
> > > >  >> Objet : Re: [ros-dev] Opening up #reactos-dev to the public
> > > >  >>
> > > >  >>
> > > >  >>
> > > >  >> I approve the idea.
> > > >  >>
> > > >  >>
> > > >  >>
> > > >  >> On 24 March 2017 at 11:21, Colin Finck <colin(a)reactos.org> wrote:
> > > >  >>
> > > >  >> Hi all!
> > > >  >>
> > > >  >> As you all know, our #reactos-dev IRC channel has been a moderated
> > > >  IRC
> > > >  >> channel for decades, and only operators (devs) and voiced people can
> > > >  >> talk. While we always tried to keep discussions dev-related there,
> > > >  no
> > > >  >> topic has ever been enforced on #reactos. The result is that I see a
> > > >  >> notable number of developers only on #reactos-dev these days.
> > > >  >>
> > > >  >> This is a pretty bad situation! Emerging developers hardly have a
> > > >  way
> > > >  to
> > > >  >> interact with all existing devs on IRC. Often enough, legitimate
> > > >  >> questions from them remain unanswered on #reactos. Moreover, we
> > > >  don't
> > > >  >> maintain the list of voiced people thoroughly, so even some
> > > >  contributors
> > > >  >> have to ask for temporary voice on #reactos-dev.
> > > >  >>
> > > >  >> Keep in mind that we're currently in the GSoC phase where students
> > > >  shall
> > > >  >> submit their proposals and get in touch with the developers.
> > > >  >> How are they going to do this on IRC if #reactos-dev continues to be
> > > >  an
> > > >  >> exclusive club?
> > > >  >>
> > > >  >> Because of these reasons, I'm proposing to remove the moderation bit
> > > >  on
> > > >  >> #reactos-dev and let everybody talk there.
> > > >  >> Its development topic should be enforced though! As soon as people
> > > >  get
> > > >  >> too off-topic, they should be directed to #reactos and kicked if
> > > >  nothing
> > > >  >> else helps. Given that all devs are already operators on
> > > >  #reactos-dev,
> > > >  >> it's fully in their hands.
> > > >  >>
> > > >  >>
> > > >  >> Cheers,
> > > >  >>
> > > >  >> Colin
> > > >  >>
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