Re: [ros-dev] [ros-diffs] [ekohl] 61145: [FASTFAT] FsdGetFsVolumeInformation: Return volume creation time.

[Aleksey Bragin]

To give you my position:
1. Current FAT driver in ReactOS needs to die away. I am testing all my 
new code with the MS's FASTFAT driver.
2. Lawyers advice is needed whether we can distribute it.

Regards,
Aleksey Bragin

On 29.11.2013 21:55, Hermès BÉLUSCA - MAÏTO wrote:
>   Nice idea Pierre!
>
>  About this license we're talking about: yes I understand as Aleksander: that
>  you can only use fastfat or derived works from it, on an (authentic) Windows
>  OS (just my 2 cents, I'm not a lawyer too).
>
>  Hermès.
>
>  -----Message d'origine-----
>  De : ros-dev-bounces(a)reactos.org [mailto:[e-mail]] De la
>  part de Pierre Schweitzer
>  Envoyé : vendredi 29 novembre 2013 18:24
>  À : ros-dev(a)reactos.org
>  Objet : Re: [ros-dev] [ros-diffs] [ekohl] 61145: [FASTFAT]
>  FsdGetFsVolumeInformation: Return volume creation time.
>
>  Hi all,
>
>  Let's the experts do.
>
>  I've contacted the April (French association which mission is to promote and
>  defend FOSS). They can answer about licensing issues (they propose it
>  through their contact form).
>
>  I'll keep you informed with their answers, highlights, and so on.
>
>  Regards,
>
>  On 11/29/2013 06:05 PM, Alexander Andrejevic wrote:
> >   I suppose it depends on how you interpret it.
> >  To me, "...extend only to the software or derivative works that you
> >  create that run on a Microsoft Windows operating system product"
> >  sounds like the program must run on Windows exclusively. It's not "...
> >  that you create to run ...", but "... that you create that run ...".
> >
> >  Regards,
> >  Alexander
> >
> >  On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 05:55:08PM +0100, David Quintana (gigaherz) wrote:
> > > I do not agree on the "unless it's on Microsoft Windows" part. The
> > > license grants apply if it is "created to run directly" on windows,
> > > which I understand as "it can run anywhere else, also, just as long
> > > as it runs in windows without an intermediary".
> > >
> > > On 29 November 2013 17:51, Alexander Andrejevic
> > > <theflash(a)sdf.lonestar.org> wrote:
> > >> Fastfat is located inside its own binary, so this is considered
> > >> "mere aggregation", and that is not the problem. (See 
> https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#MereAggregation).
> >  >> The problem is that you don't even
> > have a license to use it or
> > >> distribute it, unless it's on Microsoft Windows.
> > >> Then again, I'm not a lawyer either and I could be wrong too. It
> > >> would be great if someone who knows a lot about licenses explained this.
> > >>
> > >> Regards,
> > >> Alexander
> > >>
> > >> On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 05:35:21PM +0100, David Quintana (gigaherz) 
> wrote:
> >  >>> The exact words of the license, as
> > seen at
> > >>> http://www.ohloh.net/licenses/mslpl (I couldn't find a better link
> > >>> for it), are:
> > >>>
> > >>> "4. (F) Platform Limitation- The licenses granted in sections 2(A)
> > >>> &
> > >>> 2(B) extend only to the software or derivative works that you
> > >>> create that run on a Microsoft Windows operating system product."
> > >>>
> > >>> Excluding that term, the rest of the license is mostly a
> > >>> differently-worded BSD license. If it only needs to be tested in
> > >>> windows to ensure that it works there, then there should be
> > >>> absolutely no problem including it in ReactOS, as long as the terms
> > >>> don't conflict with the other licenses' terms. And GPL with the
> > >>> ReactOS exception, as far as I can tell, allows it. I'm not a
> > >>> lawyer, though, so I could be wrong.
> > >>>
> > >>> On 29 November 2013 16:17, Alexander Andrejevic
> > >>> <theflash(a)sdf.lonestar.org> wrote:
> > >>>> Hi Ged,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Are you sure that we can use software released under the MS-LPL?
> > >>>> It has a rather weird limitation in section 4, which says that you can
>  only use it on a "Microsoft Windows operating system product".
> >  >>>> Since ReactOS is not Windows,
> > that would mean we can't use it.
> > >>>> Please correct me if I'm wrong.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Regards,
> > >>>> Alexander
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 02:58:51PM -0000, Ged Murphy wrote:
> > >>>>> Hi Eric,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I know this has been discussed before, but should we not just bite
>  the bullet and replace this driver with the Microsoft driver.
> >  >>>>> The MS_LPL license allows it
> > to be used in reactos, and it would 
>  certainly get rid of any unknowns  and give us
> a reliable filesystem to work
>  from.
> >  >>>>>
> > http://code.msdn.microsoft.com/windowshardware/fastfat-File-Syste
> > >>>>> m-Driver-135bdf34/view/SourceCode
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Ged.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>>> From: ros-diffs-bounces(a)reactos.org
> > >>>>> [mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of
> > >>>>> ekohl(a)svn.reactos.org
> > >>>>> Sent: 29 November 2013 14:06
> > >>>>> To: ros-diffs(a)reactos.org
> > >>>>> Subject: [ros-diffs] [ekohl] 61145: [FASTFAT] 
> FsdGetFsVolumeInformation: Return volume creation time.
> >>>>>> Author: ekohl
> >>>>>> Date: Fri Nov 29 14:05:43 2013
> >>>>>> New Revision: 61145
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>