Re: [ros-dev] July Meeting Minutes

[Ged Murphy]

It's sad to hear that the meeting didn't work out and I apologise if my not
attending played a part in that.

My reasons for not attending mainly 2 fold:

I'm not happy with the public nature in which the meetings are held. Internal meetings
are an internal matter and should be held 'offline'.
To this point, the  main issue I wanted to discuss was sensitive and involved not just
reactos' internal operations, but that of other projects too.
Therefore, as I said in my previous email, the driver signing issue was no longer on the
agenda.

Secondly, the meetings seem to have turned into a bit of a joke, for want of a better
word.
It's basically #reactos-dev with a voting feature. It takes far too long and gets very
little done.
The only interesting part for me is the GSoC updates, but this is something that can (and
probably should) be shared on the ros-dev mailing list anyway.
If anyone is truly interested in the cool stuff our GSoC guys are working on, all they
need to do is ask, they're all in IRC pretty much 24/7 anyway.

I therefore deemed the meeting rather pointless, and I'm a little busy with my own
work to sit in IRC for 3-4 hours watching streams of text flow up the screen.

Ged.


-----Original Message-----
From: ros-dev-bounces(a)reactos.org [mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of Colin
Finck
Sent: 28 July 2011 22:16
To: ReactOS Development List
Subject: [ros-dev] July Meeting Minutes

Hello all,

Today's planned meeting has been postponed to the 25th August (the time of the next
regular meeting) based on a voting of the participants present at 19:39 UTC. These were:
   * Giannis Adamopoulos
   * Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo
   * Maciej Bialas
   * Thomas Faber
   * Colin Finck
   * Ziliang Guo
   * Cameron Gutman
   * Rafal Harabien
   * Timo Kreuzer
   * Matthias Kupfer
   * Igor Paliychuk
   * Sylvain Petreolle
   * Daniel Reimer
   * Pierre Schweitzer
   * Samuel Serapion
   * Olaf Siejka

○ Result:

   [19:44] <VoteBot> Question: Please vote for a date for postponing
                     this meeting.
   [19:44] <VoteBot> Answers:
   [19:44] <VoteBot>    Abstention - 7 votes
   [19:44] <VoteBot>    11th August (in 2 weeks) - 3 votes
   [19:44] <VoteBot>    25th August (in 4 weeks, regular next meeting) -
                        6 votes
   [19:44] <VoteBot> Total number of votes: 16

○ Main reasons were that the following people were still not present
   at the time of voting:
     * Aleksey Bragin (supposed meeting leader and key person in the
       Arwinss and Release preparation agenda points)
     * Amine Khaldi (supposed backup meeting leader and key person in the
       CMake agenda point)
     * Ged Murphy (key person in the GSoC and Driver Signing agenda
       points)

○ Unfortunately, nobody has been prepared for this kind of situation,
   so a lot of time has been wasted and confusing decisions might have
   been made.

○ Postponing the points also gives Aleksey time to prepare a new
   Arwinss build and the Build Environment guys (Daniel, me, anybody
   wants to join?) time to prepare a final CMake version of RosBE, which
   might be a factor when deciding about doing the migration to CMake.

○ The IRC Server has been closed at 20:03 UTC.


To allow the participants to get an unbiased idea about today's meeting, I will post
the original IRC log by the server to ros-priv. Would actually like to make it public on
ros-dev as well, but will abstain from doing so until Ged's confusion about the
openness of our meetings is cleared.

If people have already prepared texts for this meeting (status updates, whatever else you
wanted to say), please send them to my E-Mail address within the next 3 days and I'll
compose a summary out of them, which I will send to ros-dev.
If you think that these texts don't just deserve a simple summary, keep them for the
next meeting or do whatever you want about them.


And finally a personal note: Please keep in mind that it was not an easy decision for me
to just close the IRC Server after I believed that main discussions were over. If I had
left it running, it would have invalidated the voting (again) and participants would have
treated the meeting even more as a joke. By closing it, I obviously received complaints
from people who had prepared stuff for this meeting and wanted to revive it.


In good hopes,

Colin

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