26 Nov
2020
26 Nov
'20
7:24 p.m.
Agreed with Colin.
On 26-Nov-20 09:27, Colin Finck wrote:
Am 25.11.2020 um 22:26 schrieb Hermès BÉLUSCA-MAÏTO:
What about that discussion about why we have
ditched out MSVC 2010
support
You mean reintroducing an ancient compiler that forces us to hack
around its incapacity to deal with anything more modern than C89? One
that already makes it harder to import third-party components and
attract new developers?
Let's face it, we already make our incredible job of writing a
Windows-compatible operating system even harder than Microsoft's - by
supporting both GCC and MSVC. We spend enormous amounts of time to
just get the basics right for both toolchains, and still fail at
things like the C++ standard library. Ditching MSVC 2010 finally paves
the way for importing a modern and trusted third-party C++ library
like Clang's libc++ to replace our hacked and unmaintained stlport.
Going even further, we could finally draw from the huge pool of
talented C++ developers, who leverage the benefits of C++11 and
beyond. Think about that next time you debug a memory leak or a
deadlock that would have been impossible through std::unique_ptr or
std::mutex.
This project won't ever become usable in a lifetime if we don't go
with the time but stick to old habits forever. There is no inherent
value in supporting old compilers, just wasted developer time.
And don't tell me about self-hosting: It's not like anybody
productively uses ReactOS for building ReactOS right now. If you just
want to demonstrate that, use the RosBE GCC-based toolchain. I already
spent hours on backporting that back to ReactOS/Windows XP...
Now I usually would have put that on the agenda for the meeting and
asked for a vote.
But as this year's ditching of MSVC 2010 is just the implementation of
a meeting decision from 2 years ago
(https://reactos.org/project-news/december-2018-meeting-minutes/),
meeting votes are apparently not considered binding here. Neither is
apparently the discussion we had in the related PR
https://github.com/reactos/reactos/pull/2658.
So let's have an open discussion and voting process right here on the
mailing list for everyone to see, to decide this once and for all!
Just reply to this mail, tell about your reasons - and more
importantly tell whether you support or reject dropping MSVC 2010
support.
Votes by CORE REACTOS MEMBERS are then counted on 1ST JANUARY 2021.
At this point, it should be obvious that I myself SUPPORT the decision
to ditch building ReactOS with MSVC 2010.
Cheers,
Colin
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