Re: [ros-dev] Trunk. Development. Testing.

[WaxDragon]

>   I'm not putting it all on Wax. I didn't even
> mention Wax's name. I
>  simply said that we should get a TC that is able to do the job we ALL
>  VOTED ON.
>
>  It's sad that this project has become one where being honest and
>  truthful is now "despicable". 
I don't deny that I have failed as TC, but I won't say that any other
unpaid contributor would have done better.

>  
>  Anyways, I'm officially announcing that I decide not to respect the IP
>  Policy that we voted on anymore. Anyone that complains will be called
>  "despicable". Because hey, I'll be "trying my best".
>
>  Seriously, this isn't kindergarden. This is a serious OS Project with
>  rules and consitution that we voted and agreed upon. When I drafted the
>  TC document it was to make sure that such breakages would not happen
>  again. It doesn't mean it's the TC's fault, it just means he didn't do
>  the right job. You can have the best development team in the world, if
>  they won't have a QA/Software Testing team you'll get code that's buggy
>  and doesn't work on everyone's computer. 
For being a "serious OS Project", some of us sure act like it's
"kindergarden" in our public IRC channel.

>  
>  There's an important distinction between saying "something in our
>  process is broken" versus "our process is broken because of...". I
>  thought I clearly said the former.
>
>  http://www.reactos.org/wiki/index.php/ReactOS_Testing_Coordinator
>
>  Where is the testing team? Where are the weekly status reports? Where is
>  the webpage with the current "active list of applications, tools, and
>  testing environments used to test the builds. The TC should set up a
>  page or alternative method of visual real-time communication showing the
>  current applications tested/in testing and wether any flaws have been
>  noted. Preferably, specific features of each application should be tested." 
I have notes on all of this, but I can't even get the "web team" to
fix the Deskzilla login, let alone implement a new "testing
application" on the site.

>   I'm sorry, but these things were NOT done and the
> current TC breached
>  our voted rules and obligations. When I tried to tell him about it, he
>  told me "Well, I'll just quit then". Is this the responsible person you
>  want to have running a testing team? Maybe we should all resort to
>  blackmail and abandonning when someone criticizes our work. 
I said I didn't have the time anymore, and maybe I should quit to let
someone else try.

>  
>  I think it's despicable that you tried to tell me what an "evil" person
>  I am for bringing this up. In real life, you don't get cookies for trying. 
You are not an evil person, and sometimes your honesty is refreshing.


I've spent time teaching others my testing debugging methods on IRC,
pretty much anytime anyone asked.  Alas, just like developers, testers
get bored, find other things to work on, stop showing up.  I wrote a
rather clear document on how to file bugs, but it's a fight to get
people to read it.  There are a few I would like to think are good
testers, Usurp and Gge in particular.


WD
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22:38 <@WaxDragon> false ^ true
22:39 < false> :(
22:39 < false> dont you think you can XOR me and get away with it! I
always return!