FSF hates everithing exept GNU GPL

 

29.11.2013, 23:36, "Pierre Schweitzer" <pierre@reactos.org>:

The April couldn't give a precise answer. I've moved to the FSF and
opened a ticket there.

I will keep you informed.

On 29/11/2013 20:31, Aleksey Bragin wrote:

 To give you my position:
 1. Current FAT driver in ReactOS needs to die away. I am testing all
 my new code with the MS's FASTFAT driver.
 2. Lawyers advice is needed whether we can distribute it.

 Regards,
 Aleksey Bragin

 On 29.11.2013 21:55, Hermès BÉLUSCA - MAÏTO wrote:

 Nice idea Pierre!

 About this license we're talking about: yes I understand as
 Aleksander: that
 you can only use fastfat or derived works from it, on an (authentic)
 Windows
 OS (just my 2 cents, I'm not a lawyer too).

 Hermès.

 -----Message d'origine-----
 De : ros-dev-bounces@reactos.org [mailto:ros-dev-bounces@reactos.org]
 De la
 part de Pierre Schweitzer
 Envoyé : vendredi 29 novembre 2013 18:24
 À : ros-dev@reactos.org
 Objet : Re: [ros-dev] [ros-diffs] [ekohl] 61145: [FASTFAT]
 FsdGetFsVolumeInformation: Return volume creation time.

 Hi all,

 Let's the experts do.

 I've contacted the April (French association which mission is to
 promote and
 defend FOSS). They can answer about licensing issues (they propose it
 through their contact form).

 I'll keep you informed with their answers, highlights, and so on.

 Regards,

 On 11/29/2013 06:05 PM, Alexander Andrejevic wrote:

 I suppose it depends on how you interpret it.
 To me, "...extend only to the software or derivative works that you
 create that run on a Microsoft Windows operating system product"
 sounds like the program must run on Windows exclusively. It's not "...
 that you create to run ...", but "... that you create that run ...".

 Regards,
 Alexander

 On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 05:55:08PM +0100, David Quintana (gigaherz)
 wrote:

 I do not agree on the "unless it's on Microsoft Windows" part. The
 license grants apply if it is "created to run directly" on windows,
 which I understand as "it can run anywhere else, also, just as long
 as it runs in windows without an intermediary".

 On 29 November 2013 17:51, Alexander Andrejevic
 <theflash@sdf.lonestar.org> wrote:

 Fastfat is located inside its own binary, so this is considered
 "mere aggregation", and that is not the problem. (See

 https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#MereAggregation).

 The problem is that you don't even have a license to use it or
 distribute it, unless it's on Microsoft Windows.
 Then again, I'm not a lawyer either and I could be wrong too. It
 would be great if someone who knows a lot about licenses explained
 this.

 Regards,
 Alexander

 On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 05:35:21PM +0100, David Quintana (gigaherz)

 wrote:

 The exact words of the license, as seen at
 http://www.ohloh.net/licenses/mslpl (I couldn't find a better link
 for it), are:

 "4. (F) Platform Limitation- The licenses granted in sections 2(A)
 &
 2(B) extend only to the software or derivative works that you
 create that run on a Microsoft Windows operating system product."

 Excluding that term, the rest of the license is mostly a
 differently-worded BSD license. If it only needs to be tested in
 windows to ensure that it works there, then there should be
 absolutely no problem including it in ReactOS, as long as the terms
 don't conflict with the other licenses' terms. And GPL with the
 ReactOS exception, as far as I can tell, allows it. I'm not a
 lawyer, though, so I could be wrong.

 On 29 November 2013 16:17, Alexander Andrejevic
 <theflash@sdf.lonestar.org> wrote:

 Hi Ged,

 Are you sure that we can use software released under the MS-LPL?
 It has a rather weird limitation in section 4, which says that
 you can

 only use it on a "Microsoft Windows operating system product".

 Since ReactOS is not Windows, that would mean we can't use it.
 Please correct me if I'm wrong.

 Regards,
 Alexander

 On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 02:58:51PM -0000, Ged Murphy wrote:

 Hi Eric,

 I know this has been discussed before, but should we not just bite

 the bullet and replace this driver with the Microsoft driver.

 The MS_LPL license allows it to be used in reactos, and it would

 certainly get rid of any unknowns  and give us a reliable filesystem
 to work
 from.

 http://code.msdn.microsoft.com/windowshardware/fastfat-File-Syste
 m-Driver-135bdf34/view/SourceCode

 Ged.


 -----Original Message-----
 From: ros-diffs-bounces@reactos.org
 [mailto:ros-diffs-bounces@reactos.org] On Behalf Of
 ekohl@svn.reactos.org
 Sent: 29 November 2013 14:06
 To: ros-diffs@reactos.org
 Subject: [ros-diffs] [ekohl] 61145: [FASTFAT]

 FsdGetFsVolumeInformation: Return volume creation time.

 Author: ekohl
 Date: Fri Nov 29 14:05:43 2013
 New Revision: 61145

 _______________________________________________
 Ros-dev mailing list
 Ros-dev@reactos.org
 http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev

--
Pierre Schweitzer<pierre at reactos.org>
System Administrator
ReactOS Foundation

,

_______________________________________________
Ros-dev mailing list
Ros-dev@reactos.org
http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev

 

 

--
С наилучшими пожеланиями, Александр.

_______________________________________________
Ros-dev mailing list
Ros-dev@reactos.org
http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev