Re: [ros-dev] Opening up #reactos-dev to the public

[David Quintana (gigaherz)]

I don't see any usefulness in a #reactos-gsoc. It would isolate the gsoc
people, rather than help them integrate into the team. Remember Google
isn't just giving projects some free labor, the goal is to introduce new
devs into the communities with the idea of them remaining in those
communities. So being in the main channels should be part of the goal of
gsoc.

On 25 March 2017 at 08:53, Michael Fritscher <michael(a)fritscher.net> wrote:

>   Too many chans will clutter it, in the end the devs
> will have to join 10
>  chans. The chans aren't that high-traffic ones.
>
>  I think we should yust try to do a -m and see what happens.
>
> >   Yes, that's a better idea. #reactos-gsoc
> >
> >  On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 6:53 PM, Alex Ionescu <ionucu(a)videotron.ca> 
>  wrote:
> >  
> > >   I don't agree. Maintain the auto-voice lists
> > > and get someone in charge
> > >  of
> > >  operations, like I used to be for many years on IRC.
> > >
> > >  Instead, why not create a #reactos-gsoc or something?
> > >
> > >  Best regards,
> > >  Alex Ionescu
> > >
> > >  On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 11:19 AM, Mark Jansen <learn0more+ros(a)gmail.com 
> > >   wrote:
> > >
> > > >   We can always try it out?
> > > >  If it doesnt work, restoring it is a simple as setting a flag on the
> > > >  channel.
> > > >
> > > >  On 24 March 2017 at 16:31, David Quintana (gigaherz)
> > > >  <gigaherz(a)gmail.com>
> > > >  wrote:
> > > >  > I disagree -- if we can be firm about the channel being only for
> > > >  development
> > > >  > talk, things should remain mostly as they are now.
> > > >  >
> > > >  > In any community, there's inevitably going to be idle talk, offtopic
> > > >  > conversations, etc. If you only have ONE place to talk in, all those
> > > >  thigns
> > > >  > are going to be mixed in with actual dev talk, but if you have clear
> > > >  rooms
> > > >  > set for each thing, the majority of people will be happy to leave all
> > > >  the
> > > >  > offtopic talk to the main channel, and dev talk to the dev channel.
> > > >  >
> > > >  > It works for plenty other projects and communities so there's no
> > > >  reason
> > > >  to
> > > >  > be pessimistic and think that "our idiots are worse". It's simply not
> > > >  true.
> > > >  >
> > > >  > I vote for trying, and we can always put back the +m if things get
> > > >  out
> > > >  of
> > > >  > hand.
> > > >  >
> > > >  > On 24 March 2017 at 16:13, Hermès BÉLUSCA-MAà TO
> > > >  <hermes.belusca(a)sfr.fr>
> > > >  > wrote:
> > > >  >>
> > > >  >> I don’t approve the idea. The fact is that if the devs quit
> > > >  originally
> > > >  >> #reactos, it’s because it was generally too noisy, etc… . If we
> > > >  remove
> > > >  the
> > > >  >> moderation irc bit in #reactos-dev, you may expect the same
> > > >  phenomenon
> > > >  to
> > > >  >> occur in #reactos-dev too.
> > > >  >>
> > > >  >>
> > > >  >>
> > > >  >> De : Ros-dev [mailto:[e-mail]] De la part de
> > > >  David
> > > >  >> Quintana (gigaherz)
> > > >  >> Envoyé : vendredi 24 mars 2017 11:35
> > > >  >> À : ReactOS Development List
> > > >  >> Objet : Re: [ros-dev] Opening up #reactos-dev to the public
> > > >  >>
> > > >  >>
> > > >  >>
> > > >  >> I approve the idea.
> > > >  >>
> > > >  >>
> > > >  >>
> > > >  >> On 24 March 2017 at 11:21, Colin Finck <colin(a)reactos.org> wrote:
> > > >  >>
> > > >  >> Hi all!
> > > >  >>
> > > >  >> As you all know, our #reactos-dev IRC channel has been a moderated
> > > >  IRC
> > > >  >> channel for decades, and only operators (devs) and voiced people can
> > > >  >> talk. While we always tried to keep discussions dev-related there,
> > > >  no
> > > >  >> topic has ever been enforced on #reactos. The result is that I see a
> > > >  >> notable number of developers only on #reactos-dev these days.
> > > >  >>
> > > >  >> This is a pretty bad situation! Emerging developers hardly have a
> > > >  way
> > > >  to
> > > >  >> interact with all existing devs on IRC. Often enough, legitimate
> > > >  >> questions from them remain unanswered on #reactos. Moreover, we
> > > >  don't
> > > >  >> maintain the list of voiced people thoroughly, so even some
> > > >  contributors
> > > >  >> have to ask for temporary voice on #reactos-dev.
> > > >  >>
> > > >  >> Keep in mind that we're currently in the GSoC phase where students
> > > >  shall
> > > >  >> submit their proposals and get in touch with the developers.
> > > >  >> How are they going to do this on IRC if #reactos-dev continues to be
> > > >  an
> > > >  >> exclusive club?
> > > >  >>
> > > >  >> Because of these reasons, I'm proposing to remove the moderation bit
> > > >  on
> > > >  >> #reactos-dev and let everybody talk there.
> > > >  >> Its development topic should be enforced though! As soon as people
> > > >  get
> > > >  >> too off-topic, they should be directed to #reactos and kicked if
> > > >  nothing
> > > >  >> else helps. Given that all devs are already operators on
> > > >  #reactos-dev,
> > > >  >> it's fully in their hands.
> > > >  >>
> > > >  >>
> > > >  >> Cheers,
> > > >  >>
> > > >  >> Colin
> > > >  >>
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