Re: [ros-dev] Opening up #reactos-dev to the public

[tk]

Ah, okay! Now I see! :)
Since I am the only writer between Colin and you in this special thread,
I felt guilty about it.

Re-Greetings

Am 26.03.2017 um 20:01 schrieb Daniel Reimer:
>   Just to be 100% sure, I did not mean you tk ^^
>  
>  Greetings
>  
>  
>  Am 26.03.2017 um 14:57 schrieb tk:
> >   For clarification, I didn't want to say that
> > it has to be a developer
> >  who could be responsible to newbies. Also, I didn't say that hiring
> >  developers would be easy. So, I'm sorry if this was ambiguous!
> >
> >  And I can really imagine that coding a closed-source OS is difficult,
> >  especially when done in the spare free time, so I have to bow. You all
> >  did and do a great job!
> >
> >
> >  Am 26.03.2017 um 14:06 schrieb Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo:
> > >   EVERY FOSS developer should RULE the world.
> > >
> > >  I cannot help too much in developing, but i try to help as much as i can
> > >  in other ways. I`m not just a troll using what "others" have done using
> > >  their free time, and love.
> > >
> > >  And, as Daniel say, this is based in the most commonly used OS, which is
> > >  closed source, and from a giant (Microsoft). IMHO thats the main  reason
> > >  why the ReactOS team do not have organizations support and donations
> > >  (please correct me if i am wrong).
> > >
> > >    ReactOS devs have my very respect, and should have YOURS!
> > >
> > >  On Sun, Mar 26, 2017 at 12:55 AM, Daniel Reimer
> > >  &lt;daniel.reimer(a)reactos.org <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
> > >
> > >       Hi,
> > >
> > >       yes there might be some problems with getting in touch to the right
> > >       ppl on IRC and even worse on the forums. It's a problem we can
> > >       hardly change because everyone lives somewhere else and has other
> > >       circumstances in his life. So a 24:7 presence might become
> > >       difficult. For such I recommend a mailing list for exactly that one
> > >       case. Add it to website and we are set. SO... in theory your idea,
> > >       but as mailing list ^^
> > >
> > >       P.S. Main reason why devs are not in the forums or #reactos are
> > >       exactly what we saw here in mailing list as 100% perfect example.
> > >       Drama, Kindergarten and ppl who have NO CLUE (who the F***K told
> > >  you
> > >       we can hire devs at ease??! I'd like to talk to that guy...) what
> > >       they are talking about. Our devs are here to develop and not to
> > >  play
> > >       babysitter or being accused for having a real life and real work
> > >  and
> > >       real problems and thus are being accused to be lazy dipshits who
> > >       don't even care about the project, any report by one special person
> > >       or being reckless or WHATEVER you said we are. For handling all
> > >  that
> > >       we would need someone else.... with adamantium nerves! As you all
> > >       know me, I would happily do that (maaaany toys for meee ^^), but
> > >       that would end in a massacre for sure. With some b33r afterwards,
> > >       but still a massacre.
> > >
> > >       I can only recommend one thing to that special persion I talk to
> > >       right now. Yes, I appreciate your support, yes we all do, but stop
> > >       dreaming and come back to reality (we have cookies). We talk
> > >  about a
> > >       freaking OPERATING SYSTEM based on a CLOSED ARCHITECTURE. This
> > >  is no
> > >       LibreOffice with way less closed stuff to understand and
> > >  reimplement.
> > >
> > >       https://snag.gy/YZLkQh.jpg
> > >
> > >       Greetings
> > >       Daniel
> > >
> > >
> > >       Am 25.03.2017 um 23:07 schrieb tobias.k(a)posteo.de
> > >       <mailto:[e-mail]>:
> > >
> > >           Hello everybody,
> > >
> > >           I'm new to ReactOS for just a few days. I did not contribute to
> > >           ReactOS yet. So, I don't feel qualified to discuss Colin's
> > >           proposal, but maybe it'll help you giving you statements from
> > >           another perspective.
> > >
> > >           Since there already exist so many answers, I just decided to
> > >           answer Colin's proposal directly.
> > >
> > >
> > >           I think that your problem is not a technical one. What you need
> > >           are people feeling responsible to newcomers.
> > >
> > >
> > >           A week ago, when I joined #reactos, I asked for some legal
> > >           advice. Luckily, learn_more copied my question to #reactos-dev
> > >           since I wouldn't have joined that chan on my own, because I'm
> > >           not a developer yet. Unfortunately, my question has not been
> > >           answered yet a couple of hours later, so I followed
> > >  learn_more's
> > >           hint to reask my question on the ReactOS devs mailing list.
> > >           There, I got different answers leading me to the thought that
> > >           nobody is quite sure about it. Afterwards, I supposed that
> > >           someone could adapt the Wiki due to the clarification, but
> > >           nobody cared, not even now.
> > >
> > >           There is also another newcomer, Pranay Pratyush, who asked for
> > >           some newbie help, too, but nobody answered yet (at least not
> > >           publicly). This also reinforced my impression that nobody feels
> > >           responsible to new people. I bet, if you would welcome them,
> > >  you
> > >           could have more developers in a few weeks.
> > >
> > >
> > >           Instead of Colin's proposal, I suggest that you create a new
> > >  IRC
> > >           channel #reactos-dev-newbies (or something like that) and
> > >  put in
> > >           some of you who will greet newcomers and so on. This chan might
> > >           be open for everyone. Once established, this should fulfill its
> > >           purpose round the clock. Thus, it'll force you to have some of
> > >           you being responsible to newcomers.
> > >
> > >
> > >           I hope that I could help.
> > >
> > >           Tobias
> > >
> > >
> > >           Am 24.03.2017 11:21 schrieb Colin Finck:
> > >
> > >               Hi all!
> > >
> > >               As you all know, our #reactos-dev IRC channel has been a
> > >               moderated IRC
> > >               channel for decades, and only operators (devs) and voiced
> > >               people can
> > >               talk. While we always tried to keep discussions dev-related
> > >               there, no
> > >               topic has ever been enforced on #reactos. The result is
> > >  that
> > >               I see a
> > >               notable number of developers only on #reactos-dev these
> > >  days.
> > >
> > >               This is a pretty bad situation! Emerging developers hardly
> > >               have a way to
> > >               interact with all existing devs on IRC. Often enough,
> > >  legitimate
> > >               questions from them remain unanswered on #reactos.
> > >  Moreover,
> > >               we don't
> > >               maintain the list of voiced people thoroughly, so even some
> > >               contributors
> > >               have to ask for temporary voice on #reactos-dev.
> > >
> > >               Keep in mind that we're currently in the GSoC phase where
> > >               students shall
> > >               submit their proposals and get in touch with the
> > >  developers.
> > >               How are they going to do this on IRC if #reactos-dev
> > >               continues to be an
> > >               exclusive club?
> > >
> > >               Because of these reasons, I'm proposing to remove the
> > >               moderation bit on
> > >               #reactos-dev and let everybody talk there.
> > >               Its development topic should be enforced though! As soon as
> > >               people get
> > >               too off-topic, they should be directed to #reactos and
> > >               kicked if nothing
> > >               else helps. Given that all devs are already operators on
> > >               #reactos-dev,
> > >               it's fully in their hands.
> > >
> > >
> > >               Cheers,
> > >
> > >               Colin
> > >
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