Re: [ros-dev] HAL reorganisation

[Alex Ionescu]

Steven Edwards wrote:

>  Hi Alex,
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Hi Steven!

>  The xbox is a x86 pc lacking in a BIOS. 
>  
Much more then just a BIOS however. Graphics are highly proprietary, as 
is a lot of the PnP. And forget about Legacy I/O. There are other subtle 
details too.

>  ntoskrnl should not talk to the
> bios directly in any case.
>  
It doesn't but it does do other things which are unsupported/done 
differently on the xbox architecture. However, it does depend on how far 
you're willing to go to support it. I was a very early adopter of the 
xbox and the first mod chips/software that came out for it...and many 
people found out that it's more then just "x86 with some stuff missing". 
Some things about it are really tricky. I agree that they should all be 
in a HAL, but unforuntately, IIRC, there still is some arch-specific 
code in ntoskrnl. In NT4, all the different supported architectures had 
a different kernel...not only a different HAL.

>   Other than that its the same. There is one
> PCI device you cant probe or it will lock the system. I think we can
> take care of that issue via a 4 line patch because you can detect if
> you are running on the xbox. (if memory serves) There is a extra PCI
> device ID that is only present on the xbox so the HAL can search for
> that device and then have logic built in to it to avoid the other
> device. According to my converstation with the xbox Linux people that
> really should be all we need aside from rippping out the direct
> hardware access stuff in freeldr which GvG has already done. The hard
> part will be keyboard and mouse, the xbox uses USB for that and we need
> it anyway.
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There's also the problem with text-mode and the video in general, imo.

>  Sure it has the magic built in to the firmware and the
> OS to keep
> people from running unsigned apps on it but there are three known ways
> to boot off of it and I think we can do all of them now that freeldr
> can chain load from grub.
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Easy stuff to fix, and GvG is doing a great job.

>  Thanks
> Steven
>
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Best regards,
Alex Ionescu

P.S Much like the Appollo missions brought us so much stuff here at 
home, I can't wait to see the effects that the xbox port will have. USB 
probably is the coolest.

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