Re: [ros-dev] Networking

[Adam Kachwalla]

Not much of a "private conversation" is possible on a mailing list either.

On Thu, 28 Oct 2010 01:50:23 +1100, Kamil Hornicek  
<kamil.hornicek(a)reactos.org> wrote:

>   "I regularly have email conversations with people
> interested in joining  
>  as the [dev dash interest at reactos.org] mail address still forwards to  
>  me. It's really not that hard."
>
>  yeah and why do you hide them in your secret bubble??
>
>  no seriously. you can have private conversations via email.. but when  
>  multiple people join in it gets messy very quickly. do you see how  
>  ridiculously this message looks after few replies? html emails, citing  
>  over and above the original text, lenghty signatures. it's pain to read  
>  this. as for being hidden the irc channel is clearly mentioned on the  
>  web page so it's not like we are going undercover. as I said before - if  
>  you can find the mailing list, you can find the irc.
>
>  k.
>
>  ----- Original Message ----- From: Ged Murphy
>  To: 'ReactOS Development List'
>  Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 4:37 PM
>  Subject: Re: [ros-dev] Networking
>
>
>  I wasn't referring to this particular request, I'm just making a general  
>  point.
>
>  Reactos likes to hide itself away from the world in its little IRC  
>  bubble.
>  This is great if you're a private group but not when you're a public  
>  entity trying to attract outside interest.
>
>  Even the website is full of incorrect info.
>
>  How on earth reactos is meant to attract people is beyond me.
>
>  Ged.
>
>  p.s. I regularly have email conversations with people interested in  
>  joining as the [dev dash interest at reactos.org] mail address still  
>  forwards to me. It's really not that hard.
>
>
>  From: ros-dev-bounces(a)reactos.org [mailto:[e-mail]]  
>  On Behalf Of Olaf Siejka
>  Sent: 27 October 2010 15:22
>  To: ReactOS Development List
>  Subject: Re: [ros-dev] Networking
>
>  Look, before you guys start venting off, please at least try to  
>  understand what are you really getting mad about. As much as you seem to  
>  hate communicating via IRC, personally i see no other way of introducing  
>  someone to ROS fundamentals, including (but not limited to):
>
>  - necessary tools
>  - checkout layount
>  - compilation commands
>  - vm setup
>  - debug setup
>  and many many more. I need at least 30-60 minutes to pass this  
>  information via irc, as well as get immediate feedback on any problems.  
>  But no! This undermines the purpose of THIS maillist!!!!
>
>  Dou you REALLY want me to do it via ros-dev maillist??!!!
>
>  2010/10/27 cheer_xiao <xiaqqaix(a)gmail.com>
>  On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 9:52 PM, Ged Murphy <gedmurphy(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >   Aagghhhhh!!! Why is everything always done over
> > IRC????
> >
> >
> >
> >  The neglection of the reactos mailing lists is one of this _big_ things  
> >  this
> >  project does wrong.
> >
> >
> >
> >  -          It forces the community into a sort of hidden niche group and
> >  alienates people who don't use IRC
> >
> >  -          It gives the impression that reactos activity is low. There  
> >  are
> >  thousands of people who follow this project aren't on IRC and have no  
> >  idea
> >  of what is going on.
> >
> >  -          It arguably deters new people from joining because they can't
> >  really get to grips with the project without becoming a slave to IRC
> >
> >  -          It means important discussions are missed, even by the core  
> >  team,
> >  if they aren't watching the IRC chat 24/7 or miss a PM
> >
> >
> >
> >  I could go on and on with reasons of why you neglect the mailing lists  
> >  is so
> >  harmful, but I fear no one will listen to my cries.
> >
> >  Maybe I should vent my frustration in IRC for the niche community, and  
> >  we
> >  can all have an internal discussion about it??? 
>  As a undergraduate of CS I
> subscribed to this mailing list a year or
>  two ago, hoping to keep informed about what's going on within the
>  project, and perhaps that someday I could find something that really
>  interests me and help it out. But according to Ged it is quite
>  frustrating that most people prefer IRC, for you know, we have 24 time
>  zones on earth and I'm on the opposite side from most people on this
>  project. The IRC is also potentially making the project
>  time-zone-restricted.
>
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