8 Jan
2010
8 Jan
'10
12:45 a.m.
Exactly!
I guess RosArm doesn't remember the old days when you set a few bits in
one of the timers using GWBASIC, TurboPascal or TurboC to get some funny
BEEPs from your machine.
Perhaps he's just too young to know.
Eric
Timo Kreuzer wrote:
The output on the screen is well known and documented.
And was at that
time, too, as it could be seen pretty often. There's nothing secret. and
there's only 2 cases that need to be considered by analyzing the NMI
status register, which is also well known and documented. There are
magic numbers, because documentation usually contains those magic
numbers. It's 2 damned flags.
Also the initial version contained more than 6 lines of code. And your
"460" lines of code were actually like 13 lines of code for HalFlushTlb
and additional 8 lines of code for HalHandleNMI. The rest is
reformatting and excessive commenting. And you still want to claim the
sole authorship to this file? Is that maybe the reason for 3 line
comments? To make up more lines of "code" to claim authorship?
Ros Arm schrieb:
> Hi Eric,
>
> We apologize for the misunderstanding. The relationship of that field was confusing,
since some files have authors that don't correlate to SVN history at all.
>
> In relation to what eVb was saying, I have looked up the entire SVN history of the
misc.c file, which originally started out in NTOS.
>
> Your one and only actual contribution is here:
>
>
http://svn.reactos.org/svn/reactos/trunk/reactos/ntoskrnl/hal/x86/misc.c?re…
>
> Revision 1026, almost 10 years ago.
>
> In that revision, you created the file and "implemented" HalHandleNMI.
>
> It is interesting that your implementation of HalHandleNMI happens to print out the
exact same messages that the NT4 HAL dumps on the screen.
>
> To obtain the same messages "clean-room", you must've been able to
generate all the possible NMI traps on your machine, which is unlikely.
>
> Also, the choices of "0x40", "0x20" and "0x61" appear
to be magic constants, instead of properly documented constants referring to the NMI
status port and the NMI status bits.
>
> Additionally, the same "KeEnterKernelDebugger" call is present both in the
NT4 HAL and your implementation of this function, even though, as of revision 1993:
>
>
http://svn.reactos.org/svn/reactos/trunk/reactos/ntoskrnl/kd/kdebug.c?revis…
>
> That function only printed a string -- so there appears to have been little reason to
make this API call other than to duplicate the original NT HAL's behavior.
>
> Furthermore, why even implement this function at all back in 2000? There was no NMI
task gate back then, no NMI handler, and no caller of HalHandleNMI -- therefore, this
function was impossible to test in ReactOS. It seems to have been implemented just for the
sake of implementing "an easy function", without any actual real use.
>
> Whether this function, in 2000, was by coincidence an exact replica of the NT4 HAL
HalHandleNMI, and you happened to have experienced all possible NMI traps and their
messages on the screen, and you decided not to document the port and status bit values, or
whether it was reverse engineered does not change the fact that the code was 100%
identical. Therefore, I believe this was eVB's point that the true
"copyright" of this function belonged to nobody else but Microsoft, and so the
PROGRAMMERS field seemed logical to include the maintainer, not the "copyright"
owner.
>
> So before lambasting about copyright ownership and licenses, perhaps you should be
more careful.
>
> It is an entirely different argument whether or not there is any other way to do this
-- clearly, by now, it is known what NMI messages the Windows STOP screen will display,
and ReactOS must display the same NMI messages. Since both Windows NT and ReactOS use the
same routine for printing to the screen, it also makes sense that they'd both be using
the same HalDisplayString API. One could argue that since you'd probably want to debug
the NMI, it might make sense to enter the kernel debugger, which, since it is an exported
kernel function that ReactOS must implement, ends up being the same call as Windows. So
whether it was clean roomed, copied, reverse engineered, or fabricated out of thin air to
match this specification, the resulting code would look the same (however, it should be
better documented so the values don't look like magic). Of course these are all
rational arguments that can be made *after* the function has been written, the burden of
proof as to IF this is
how the function was already written
There are many questions as to whether or not those 6 lines of code are actually
copyrighted at all, whether you or anyone else has any rights to those 6 lines of code
since they are identical to Windows (by necessity), and whether or not the addition of
~460 additional lines to misc.c and improvement of the original function still enable you
to refuse a GPL->BSD license change solely based on 6, 10-year-old, lines of code that
are identical to an even older copyrighted source base.
To push this analogy further, I could decide that the following piece of code
"printf("%s\n","
is GPL, and block anyone from ever using it in a module that is BSD.
I think even GPL requires at least 10 lines of code before being able to claim the whole
module is GPLed (and it's probably more complicated than that).
So to close the topic: it is unclear if you have any ownership of those original 6 lines
of code, and it is even further unclear if 6 lines of interface code in a 466 line module
allow you the right to dictate the license of the module.
-r
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The "ownership" and
"copyright" of this code is not belonging to either you or anyone else but the
original source it came from.
The PROGRAMMERS field indicates who is responsible for a piece of code in this project,
is it not? In this case, since you have quitted many years ago, it makes sense this code
is now belong to us.
It is Linux concept of "maintainer".
Thanks you,
[eVb]
Hi Ros Arm,
you are totally wrong here. The PROGRAMMERS field could be called
AUTHORS or CONTRIBUTORS and lists those who claim copyright or
authorship to a file. So removing someone from the PROGRAMMERS field is
a very disrespectul act, is a copyright violation and must be reverted
as soon as possible.
You can claim sole authorship to a file if you created the initial
version of a file.
You can also claim authorship to a file if you modified it in a
significant way. In this case you can ADD your name to the END of the
list of programmers. So the author who wrote the first version should
always stay on top of the list. Changing a "+" to "-" or adding
"+ 1" is
not enough to claim authorship.
And in no case you have the right to change the license of an existing
file without having prior permission to do so by ALL authors of that
file. As far as I can remember, I did NOT grant permission to relicense
my code under the BSD license. My contributions to ReactOS were, are and
will be published under GPL or LGPL only.
Therefore I ask you to revert the following patch:
[ros-diffs] [ros-arm-bringup] 44860: NMI Support Patch 6: [HAL]: Fix NMI
recursion issues. [HAL]: Reset the display during NMI and paint the NMI
Screen of Death.
In case you fail to revert the patch within a week (aka 7 days) I will
revert this patch myself and restore the previous version.
And by the way, DON'T INTRODUCE YET ANOTHER FUCKIING CODING STYLE!!!!
Use the coding styles that are already being used!!!!
Oh, and before I'm done: I don't like to talk to meaningless nicks like
Ros Arm, RosLeg or ROSIDONTKNOWHOWTOFUKINGCALLMYSELF. Reveal your
identity! I don't see a reason why you have to hide behind you nick. If
you need to hide your identity you should better leave ReactOS because
these reasons can only endanger the project. And I will always prefer to
throw a single contributor out of the team rather than endangering the
whole project.
And finally, my name is Eric Kohl and I joined the ReactOS project in
December 1998. So I guess I have the right to voice my opinion here.
Regards
Eric
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