Man, I wonder where you guys were when I was getting shit for breaking the kernel due to *valid* changes.... and cooperating.
I love Greatlord but, it's not the fact he's breaking stuff that I think Aleksey is tired off... it's breaking stuff, promising to change, and then still break stuff. Looking over commits, I don't think anyone has broken the OS more than Greatlord except myself. I also don't think anyone has committed more code than myself (And probably w3seek). So yes, there does seem to be a valid proportion. Both greatlord and I were massive regressors, but also massive changers... that doesn't make it RIGHT though. It was probably wrong even during my time... I can't get away by saying "ah yes, but my changes were correct!!!!". So I will probably say that lenience was given to me (not always though, I did get into some pretty big fights)...
Now, because Steven Edwards made a mistake and didn't punish me enough (I eventually stopped breaking stuff when I stopped being 18 years old and having no SE experience, you'll notice), does it mean history have to repeat itself? This is an age-old chidish argument "BUT HE DIDN"T GET ARRESTED!!! WHY DID I?". If the law failed to punish someone, that doesn't mean everyone gets to go free.
Greatlord's breakage of the trunk, although proportional to his commits, reflects a bigger problem -- your development model SUCKS, and you need to fix it. So I don't think Aleksey is being -unfair-... I think he's incorrectly attacking the person who "abused" the relaxed rules the most... what he should REALLY fix is the rules themselves, because any other dev in Greatlord's position would've probably acted the same. Greatlord is just being the scapegoat.
So guys, one last time.
FIX YOUR DEVELOPMENT MODEL.
Think of it:
(# of developers which you ASSUME you will lose, for having a good SE model*)
Is that bigger or less than:
(# of developers that you have lost because they got sick of regressions + # number of developers that you have lost because they got sick of being punished for doing regressions + # number or developers that you have lost because they got sick of seeing their friends punished for doing regressions)?
* Not only is this an ASSUMPTION, it's a STUPID one because this is how EVERY LARGE FOSS PROJECT WORKS.
Please, get your shit together. Use the model I gave you, as a start, or ANYTHING else than this shit.
Best regards, Alex Ionescu
On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 3:36 PM, KJK::Hyperion hackbunny@reactos.com wrote:
Aleksey Bragin ha scritto:
All of that was done in a deep night (~4am, european time).
which happened a grand total of 5 times (all in the same day - also in sequence, meaning they might as well be one, from the point of view of diffing) since the creation of the win32k-gdi-dx branch (33435)
I must admit Magnus always listened to my rants, and he did this time too, but it always happens AFTER the commit-revert spree
do four reverts over the span of a week (33764, 33782, 33881, 33885) count as a "spree"?
And also he usually kept our agreement for a limited amount of time, like this time with a branch, which lasted roughly a week.
surely you mean "roughly four weeks"? (33435 to 33881 - or should we set the end of the "pax greatlordiana" at harmless 33598? unrelated 33632? third-party patch 33763? MSVCRT-related commits starting from 33764? where exactly did he get uppity and forget his proper place?)
It was not really an issue of trust, but it's an issue of simple common sense and obeying very-very simple rule: don't *play* in an official, working, fragile branch called "trunk".
pretty harsh assessment of two reverts about 3 hours apart (33882 and 33886)
Is there a story here apart from what the repository can tell? Is it just a matter of perspective? bad timing? Help me here, because it really, really seems to me you are alienating away a developer with irreplaceable experience on the grounds of a bad day you had on June, 7th (with a hint of handicap discrimination, for extra flavor)
Apologies for turning the drama up to eleven, but it seems to me Magnus is getting a pretty raw deal for all he's done for us
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