Re: [ros-dev] End-of-merge for some components shared with Wine

[James Tabor]

Hi!

Ge van Geldorp wrote:
>   It's becoming impossible for me to keep some
> components synced with Wine.
>  For some components, we have too many changes in our tree which were not
>  submitted to Wine. I've tried to submit some of "our" changes, but was
>  unable to answer questions asked by the Wine people, since I simply do not
>  have enough knowledge of those particular DLLs. The original (ReactOS)
>  authors of the changes are not interested or currently unable to answer
>  either.
>   
HOOOO! I'm trying REAL HARD MAINTAINING CONTROL OF MY COMMENTS!!!!!
OH! It hurt to be nice right now! AAAHHHH!

>   So, the following components are now effectively
> forked:
>  - tools/widl 
I'm at a loss, this was a ROS and Wine project, how did this run away from us?

>   - lib/dinput 
Don't know about this one.

>   - lib/setupapi 
same here.

>   - lib/winmm 
It never been synced.

Alex Ionescu wrote:
>   Ge van Geldorp wrote:
>  
> >  
> >  I am not going to work on the other ones anymore. If the authors can't be
> >  bothered to help get their changes in Wine
> >  
>  I wouldn't blame the authors for WINE's ultra-conservative app-based 
>  developement strategy. I woudln't blame WINE either; that's been their 
>  development process for years and since they seem to be sucesful (for 
>  now), it would be fair to say that their strategy is working. Whether it 
>  pays off or not, is too premature to say.
>   
Yelling and screaming!

> >   I can't be
> > bothered to spend time
> >  on it either.
> >   
> >  
>  I agree. Our implementation of setupapi is clearly more advanced and 
>  cleaner then WINE's. They are the ones on the losing side, unless they 
>  choose to somehow accomodate us. I've never liked the policy of "if you 
>  want WINE changes, we spend time and make ROS accept them. If WINE wants 
>  ROS changes, we spend time and make WINE accept them". It seems  
More yelling and screaming!

>   counterproductive. WINE should get a guy to sync ROS
> changes as well, 
>  and have a process to make sure they get accepted. It seems silly to 
>  require a real-world application. Of COURSE there is one...or else why 
>  would the API be exported? Sure, there might be only three applications 
>  in the world, but it doesn't mean they don't exist. And finding 3 
>  applications out of the billions that exist is worse then finding a 
>  needle in a hay stack. If you don't care about three apps, then you run 
>  into a dangerous slippery slope. Who decides the number of apps you're 
>  willing to sacrifice? 3? 30? 300? If you start sacrificing apps here and 
>  there, the number grows exponentially.
>   
We have to maintain backward compatibility, btw.

> >   Gé.
> >   
> >  
>  Best Regards,
>  Alex Ionescu
>   
8^\, I feel your frustration,
James


PS. My yelling comments are not pointed @ any Ros developers.