4 Jun
2011
4 Jun
'11
1:49 p.m.
Oh, I do believe shitty software/installers do this.
Microsoft's technologies do not, however.
So use WIX/MSI, not NSI/InstallShield.
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On 2011-06-04, at 9:23 AM, Kamil Hornicek wrote:
I'm in charge of 40+ PCs running mostly XP at
work. Believe me when I tell you people do write their own code (or use the available API
incorrectly) for installers or some online activation bullshit. I came across several
installers/apps that were unable to detect or use our proxy (we also use wpad for proxy
autodiscovery via dns) and I always had to connect that PC directly to our gateway to make
stuff install which is annoying as hell. I am not making this up, pay me a visit if you
think otherwise.
K.
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Again all of this is irrelevant: since I think
you are a Linux user, I can understand why you are confused.
On Windows, all HTTP communication is done by WinHTTP and/or WinINET, nobody writes their
own custom socket code.
WinHTTP/WinINET control the proxy settings for the machine. In fact, if you use Google
Chrome on Windows (or Safari) and go to the proxy/connection settings, you will see
"IE's" proxy connection dialog -- because these settings/dialog are owned
by the OS Library, not the individual applications.
Therefore, the installer will use 100% the same settings as the web browser, including
the same protocol.
So, as I stated, if the browser can download foo.exe, so will the online installer.
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On 2011-06-03, at 1:50 PM, Kamil Hornicek wrote:
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has to be configured to connect throught the proxy and also to use its dns services for
host name resolving. if the installer itself isn't aware of the need for proxy server
(or is not able to connect through socks or whatever the proxy uses) it won't be
usually able to resolve the hostname it's trying to connect to (depends on the exact
network configuration). also the default route to the internet would be missing or direct
outgoing connections would be blocked (which they usually are otherwise you wouldn't
be forced to use the proxy server in the first place) so the traffic generated by the
installer wouldn't have any means to reach its destination.
I didn't want to derail the discussion and I apologize for that. I'll shut up
next time.
Kamil
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On 2011-06-03, at 12:33 PM, Kamil Hornicek wrote:
> I didn't want to spam this discussion but I have to.. What every other software
company also does is refusing to believe someone might be behind a proxy server. If you go
this way, please make sure the installer doesn't need a direct connection. Also online
installers are generally a major pain in the ass if you don't provide an offline
installer too.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: Alex Ionescu
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> Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 5:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [ros-dev] 1294 [dreimer] Fix clean for cmake trees. ...
>
>
> Why separate installers for x64/ARM?
>
>
> Just do what every software company this side of the century does: a 400kb installer
which lets you select the packages you want, and downloads them.
>
>
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> Alex Ionescu
>
>
> On 2011-06-03, at 11:38 AM, Zachary Gorden wrote:
>
>
> Spoke with Amine and Daniel. I've agreed to the lesser evil of bundling the FULL
cmake. Reasons are if we want the BE to be flexible enough to be used for more than just
building ROS, we can't gimp cmake with the belief that no one will need the things we
didn't include. This is again on Windows. I remain uninvolved with decisions about
the Linux BE.
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 10:34 AM, Colin Finck <colin(a)reactos.org> wrote:
>
> Timo Kreuzer <timo.kreuzer(a)web.de> wrote:
>
> My vote on this:
> CMake: bundle it, optional on installation
> x64/arm: create individual installers
>
>
>
> * CMake: bundle it, go for the (minimal) version without an installer. It's
nothing "exotic" to install after all, just put it together with the other
utilities in RosBE.
>
> * x64/arm: If build tool sizes are staying like this, create individual installers.
Just for testing, I'll try an x86/x64 multilib build of Binutils and GCC though, would
be nice to know how much smaller it is compared to separate x86 and x64 compilers.
>
> So in general, I agree with Timo :-)
>
>
> - Colin
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