Re: [ros-dev] [ros-diffs] [cgutman] 54415: [I8042PRT] - Implement support for hot plugging PS/2 mice if one was present at boot (same requirement as Windows) - Fixes bug 1395

[Johannnes Anderwald]

Am 18.11.2011 00:41, schrieb cgutman(a)svn.reactos.org:
>   Author: cgutman
>  Date: Thu Nov 17 23:41:18 2011
>  New Revision: 54415
>
>  URL: http://svn.reactos.org/svn/reactos?rev=54415&view=rev
>  Log:
>  [I8042PRT]
>  - Implement support for hot plugging PS/2 mice if one was present at boot (same
> requirement as Windows)
>  - Fixes bug 1395
>
>  
Exellent!

-- 
Johannes Anderwald

[Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo]

"if one was present at boot"

wouldn't it be a new ROS feature to allow hotplugging even if there is no
mice at startup?

As always, im about not just copying Windows, but enhance it as
possible.....

On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 7:10 AM, Johannnes Anderwald <
johannes.anderwald(a)reactos.org&gt; wrote:

>   Am 18.11.2011 00:41, schrieb cgutman(a)svn.reactos.org:
>
> >   Author: cgutman
> >  Date: Thu Nov 17 23:41:18 2011
> >  New Revision: 54415
> >
> >  URL:
> > http://svn.reactos.org/svn/**reactos?rev=54415&view=rev<http://svn.r…
> >  Log:
> >  [I8042PRT]
> >  - Implement support for hot plugging PS/2 mice if one was present at boot
> >  (same requirement as Windows)
> >  - Fixes bug 1395
> >
> >
> >   Exellent! 
>  --
>  Johannes Anderwald
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[Timo Kreuzer]

Am 18.11.2011 09:48, schrieb Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo:
>   "if one was present at boot"
>
>  wouldn't it be a new ROS feature to allow hotplugging even if there is 
>  no mice at startup?
>
>  As always, im about not just copying Windows, but enhance it as 
>  possible..... 
PS/2 standard doesn't support hot-plugging at all. In fact you
might 
damage your mainboard with that.

Timo

[Sylvain Petreolle]

>  ________________________________
>  De : Timo Kreuzer <timo.kreuzer(a)web.de>
> À : ReactOS Development List <ros-dev(a)reactos.org> 
> Envoyé le : Vendredi 18 Novembre 2011 22h55
> Objet : Re: [ros-dev] [ros-diffs] [cgutman] 54415: [I8042PRT] - Implement support for hot
> plugging PS/2 mice if one was present at boot (same requirement as Windows) - Fixes bug
> 1395
>  
> Am 18.11.2011 09:48, schrieb Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo:
> >   "if one was present at boot"
> >  
> >  wouldn't it be a new ROS feature to allow hotplugging even if there is no mice at
> > startup?
> >  
> >  As always, im about not just copying Windows, but enhance it as possible..... 
> PS/2
> standard doesn't support hot-plugging at all. In fact you might damage your mainboard
> with that.
>
> Timo
>  
There is the standard, but thats what people do, and Windows implemented it too. 

Kind regards,
Sylvain Petreolle

[Ameen Ross]

Linux does support hotplugging PS/2 devices. Are you saying Windows 
supports it too? If so that must be new, because it wasn't in XP.

On 11/19/2011 02:35 AM, Sylvain Petreolle wrote:
> >  
> > ________________________________
> >  De : Timo Kreuzer<timo.kreuzer(a)web.de>
> >  À : ReactOS Development List<ros-dev(a)reactos.org>
> >  Envoyé le : Vendredi 18 Novembre 2011 22h55
> >  Objet : Re: [ros-dev] [ros-diffs] [cgutman] 54415: [I8042PRT] - Implement support for hot
> > plugging PS/2 mice if one was present at boot (same requirement as Windows) - Fixes bug
> > 1395
> >
> >  Am 18.11.2011 09:48, schrieb Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo:
> > >   "if one was present at boot"
> > >
> > >  wouldn't it be a new ROS feature to allow hotplugging even if there is no mice at
> > > startup?
> > >
> > >  As always, im about not just copying Windows, but enhance it as possible..... 
> >  PS/2
> > standard doesn't support hot-plugging at all. In fact you might damage your mainboard
> > with that.
> >
> >  Timo
> >  
>  There is the standard, but thats what people do, and Windows implemented it too. 
>
>  Kind regards,
>  Sylvain Petreolle
>
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[Magnus Olsen]

PS/2 was never design be hot pluged.
Alot of bios disable PS/2 I/O if no PS/2 device are plugin.
that mean u need to reboot you computer.

We play with the thung how to make PS/2 hot plug
1. We need write own chip driver for each chip.
2. No we need write a hw scanner that activate PS/2 within some time intervall
   and disable it if no device are found.

Now to problem with this method is

1. some hardware can be damnges the mainboard when u
    plugin the mouse or keyboard. it does not made if to high V or A are
    beign send in.

if u only use one PS/2 port it is automatic made the second PS/2  hot
plugin depns on the mainboard bios  or chip driver for the mainboard
in windows 3.x//NT 3.x/NT 4.x/95/98/ME/2000/XP/Vista/7

The question is does anyone want to write sepreate chipset driver for
each mainboard only support hotplugin for PS/2 and add this feature.

In linux many of the opensource chipdriver does support this feature
but not all.

BestReagd
Magnus Olsen aka GreatLord
(I always read my mail if any one want ask me or known my skype name)

2011/11/19 Ameen Ross <a.ross(a)amdev.eu>eu>:
>   Linux does support hotplugging PS/2 devices. Are you
> saying Windows supports
>  it too? If so that must be new, because it wasn't in XP.
>
>  On 11/19/2011 02:35 AM, Sylvain Petreolle wrote:
> > >  
> > >  ________________________________
> > >  De : Timo Kreuzer<timo.kreuzer(a)web.de>
> > >  À : ReactOS Development List<ros-dev(a)reactos.org>
> > >  Envoyé le : Vendredi 18 Novembre 2011 22h55
> > >  Objet : Re: [ros-dev] [ros-diffs] [cgutman] 54415: [I8042PRT] - Implement
> > >  support for hot plugging PS/2 mice if one was present at boot (same
> > >  requirement as Windows) - Fixes bug 1395
> > >
> > >  Am 18.11.2011 09:48, schrieb Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo:
> > > >  
> > > >  "if one was present at boot"
> > > >
> > > >  wouldn't it be a new ROS feature to allow hotplugging even if there is
> > > >  no mice at startup?
> > > >
> > > >  As always, im about not just copying Windows, but enhance it as
> > > >  possible..... 
> > >  PS/2 standard doesn't support hot-plugging at all. In fact you might
> > >  damage your mainboard with that.
> > >
> > >  Timo
> > >  
> >  There is the standard, but thats what people do, and Windows implemented
> >  it too.
> >  Kind regards,
> >  Sylvain Petreolle
> >
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[Cameron Gutman]

On Nov 21, 2011, at 9:14 AM, Magnus Olsen wrote:

>   PS/2 was never design be hot pluged.
>  Alot of bios disable PS/2 I/O if no PS/2 device are plugin.
>  that mean u need to reboot you computer. 
PS/2 wasn't designed to be
hot-plugged, but most boards today (all?)
support hot-plugging as an unofficial standard. If the board disables PS/2 when it's
not plugged in that's fine,
it doesn't hurt anything, they just need to reboot like before hot-plugging.

>   We play with the thung how to make PS/2 hot plug
>  1. We need write own chip driver for each chip.
>  2. No we need write a hw scanner that activate PS/2 within some time intervall
>    and disable it if no device are found. 
AFAIK, Windows doesn't need this. It
uses the generic i8042prt.sys driver to do it just like we do.

>   Now to problem with this method is
>  
>  1. some hardware can be damnges the mainboard when u
>     plugin the mouse or keyboard. it does not made if to high V or A are
>     beign send in. 
This is very true but it only really happens on old hardware, but
still it's not technically standard
so users are taking risks to do it.

>   
>  if u only use one PS/2 port it is automatic made the second PS/2  hot
>  plugin depns on the mainboard bios  or chip driver for the mainboard
>  in windows 3.x//NT 3.x/NT 4.x/95/98/ME/2000/XP/Vista/7
>  
>  The question is does anyone want to write sepreate chipset driver for
>  each mainboard only support hotplugin for PS/2 and add this feature.
>  
>  In linux many of the opensource chipdriver does support this feature
>  but not all. 
This is not the case to my knowledge. Most chipsets don't even get
a single driver installed for them (besides the generic drivers).
Stuff like the Intel INF Update tool are simply that, just an INF update to set some
registry entries and install (without a driver) some devices that
Windows doesn't natively install a null driver for so Device Manager can look nice.
None of these devices actually start in the PnP manager's eyes (since they have no
function driver and can't be driven raw).

>   
>  BestReagd
>  Magnus Olsen aka GreatLord
>  (I always read my mail if any one want ask me or known my skype name) 

Regards,
Cameron

>   
>  2011/11/19 Ameen Ross <a.ross(a)amdev.eu>eu>:
> >   Linux does support hotplugging PS/2 devices. Are
> > you saying Windows supports
> >  it too? If so that must be new, because it wasn't in XP.
> >  
> >  On 11/19/2011 02:35 AM, Sylvain Petreolle wrote:
> > > >   
> > > >  ________________________________
> > > >  De : Timo Kreuzer<timo.kreuzer(a)web.de>
> > > >  À : ReactOS Development List<ros-dev(a)reactos.org>
> > > >  Envoyé le : Vendredi 18 Novembre 2011 22h55
> > > >  Objet : Re: [ros-dev] [ros-diffs] [cgutman] 54415: [I8042PRT] - Implement
> > > >  support for hot plugging PS/2 mice if one was present at boot (same
> > > >  requirement as Windows) - Fixes bug 1395
> > > >  
> > > >  Am 18.11.2011 09:48, schrieb Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo:
> > > > > 
> > > > > "if one was present at boot"
> > > > > 
> > > > > wouldn't it be a new ROS feature to allow hotplugging even if there is
> > > > > no mice at startup?
> > > > > 
> > > > > As always, im about not just copying Windows, but enhance it as
> > > > > possible.....
> > > >  
> > > >  PS/2 standard doesn't support hot-plugging at all. In fact you might
> > > >  damage your mainboard with that.
> > > >  
> > > >  Timo
> > > >   
> > >  There is the standard, but thats what people do, and Windows implemented
> > >  it too.
> > >  Kind regards,
> > >  Sylvain Petreolle
> > >  
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