RE: Collection of wine tools on windows

[Casper Hornstrup]

>   -----Original Message-----
>  From: wine-devel-admin(a)winehq.org 
>  [mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of Ivan Leo Puoti
>  Sent: 21. februar 2005 09:26
>  To: wine-devel(a)winehq.com
>  Cc: ros-dev(a)reactos.com
>  Subject: Re: Collection of wine tools on windows
>  
>  Dimitrie O. Paun wrote:
> >   Heh, the MinGW folks seem to have some strange 
>  requirements for their
> >   headers, I don't think they'll drop
> > theirs. But we can  
>  start by having 
> >   ReactOS adopt our headers.
> >  
> >  We should also offer our headers as a separate package that  
>  works out 
> >   of the box as a replacement for the MinGW ones.
> > This way people can 
> >  just get our headers if they are better than the MinGW ones. 
>  
>  Can't the win32api package headers be used to replace the 
>  mingw headers?
>  
>  Ivan. 
W32api IS the MinGW headers.

I might vote for using WINE headers in ReactOS if WINE relicensed
its headers to a w32api or BSD like license that will allow use in
a non-free application. What I would like to see most though, is
for all three projects to share w32api.

Casper

[Steven Edwards]

Hi,

--- Casper Hornstrup <ch(a)csh-consult.dk> wrote:
>   I might vote for using WINE headers in ReactOS if WINE
> relicensed
>  its headers to a w32api or BSD like license that will allow use in
>  a non-free application. What I would like to see most though, is
>  for all three projects to share w32api. 
What do you mean? The headers are LGPL so you can use them in a non-free application.

Thanks
Steven



		
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[Casper Hornstrup]

>   -----Original Message-----
>  From: ros-dev-bounces(a)reactos.com 
>  [mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of Steven Edwards
>  Sent: 21. februar 2005 21:52
>  To: ReactOS Development List; ivanleo(a)gmail.com; wine-devel(a)winehq.com
>  Cc: ros-dev(a)reactos.com
>  Subject: Re: [ros-dev] RE: Collection of wine tools on windows
>  
>  Hi,
>  
>  --- Casper Hornstrup <ch(a)csh-consult.dk> wrote:
> >   I might vote for using WINE headers in ReactOS if
> > WINE  
>  relicensed its 
> >   headers to a w32api or BSD like license that will
> > allow use in a 
> >  non-free application. What I would like to see most though,  
>  is for all 
> >   three projects to share w32api. 
>  
>  What do you mean? The headers are LGPL so you can use them in 
>  a non-free application.
>  
>  Thanks
>  Steven 
Yes, but then you need to publish the sources for the non-free application
under the LGPL. When using headers to build your application, you create a
derived work of those headers.

http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/lgpl.html

"A "work based on the Library" means either the Library or any derivative
work under copyright law: that is to say, a work
containing the Library or a portion of it, either verbatim or with modifications and/or
translated straightforwardly into another
language. (Hereinafter, translation is included without limitation in the term
"modification".)"

"4. You may copy and distribute the Library (or a portion or derivative of it, under
Section 2) in object code or executable form
under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above provided that you accompany it with the complete
corresponding machine-readable source
code, which must be distributed under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above on a medium
customarily used for software interchange."

Casper

[Steven Edwards]

--- Casper Hornstrup <ch(a)csh-consult.dk> wrote:
>   Yes, but then you need to publish the sources for the
> non-free application
>  under the LGPL. When using headers to build your application, you create a
>  derived work of those headers.
>  
>  http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/lgpl.html 
The headers are a public interface and as such only the phsical copy of the header falls
under
that sort of restriction. Go check out the GTK/GLIB headers. Both of which were developed
for
GNOME under the eye of the free software foundation. 1000s of closed source applications
are
developed using GTK/GLIB and there is no question that YES you can use them in a closed
source
application provided you make a offer for your changes to GTK/GLIB. The Wine people
consulted the
FSF and other projects before moving to the LGPL and having the headers under the LGPL is
not a
problem.

Thanks
Steven



		
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[Filip Navara]

Casper Hornstrup wrote:

>   
>
>   
>
> >  -----Original Message-----
> > From: ros-dev-bounces(a)reactos.com 
> > [mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of Steven Edwards
> > Sent: 21. februar 2005 21:52
> > To: ReactOS Development List; ivanleo(a)gmail.com; wine-devel(a)winehq.com
> > Cc: ros-dev(a)reactos.com
> > Subject: Re: [ros-dev] RE: Collection of wine tools on windows
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > --- Casper Hornstrup <ch(a)csh-consult.dk> wrote:
> >     
> >
> > >  I might vote for using WINE headers in ReactOS if
> > > WINE 
> > >       
> > >  
> > relicensed its 
> >     
> >
> > >  headers to a w32api or BSD like license that will
> > > allow use in a 
> > > non-free application. What I would like to see most though, 
> > >       
> > >  
> > is for all 
> >     
> >
> > >  three projects to share w32api.
> > >       
> > >  
> > What do you mean? The headers are LGPL so you can use them in 
> > a non-free application.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Steven
> >     
> >  
> Yes, but then you need to publish the sources for the non-free application
> under the LGPL. When using headers to build your application, you create a
> derived work of those headers.
>
> http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/lgpl.html
>
> "A "work based on the Library" means either the Library or any derivative
> work under copyright law: that is to say, a work
> containing the Library or a portion of it, either verbatim or with modifications and/or
> translated straightforwardly into another
> language. (Hereinafter, translation is included without limitation in the term
> "modification".)"
>
> "4. You may copy and distribute the Library (or a portion or derivative of it, under
> Section 2) in object code or executable form
> under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above provided that you accompany it with the complete
> corresponding machine-readable source
> code, which must be distributed under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above on a medium
> customarily used for software interchange."
>   
>  
"When a "work that uses the Library" uses material from a header
file
that is part of the Library, the object code for the work may be a
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- Filip