Team work

[Lucio Diaz]

Jason Filby wrote:


Message: 5
Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 09:04:49 -0600
From: Jason Filby <jason.filby(a)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [ros-dev] Break
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That doesn't seem to tie in with people leaving if
they're not told
that they are right.
Regards
Jason
On 10/15/05, Royce Mitchell III <royce3(a)ev1.net>
wrote:
>   Would you be so kind as to at least commit your
work-in-progress code 
to
>   a branch, please?
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Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 09:06:56 -0600
From: Jason Filby <jason.filby(a)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [ros-dev] Break
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On 10/15/05, James Tabor
<jimtabor(a)adsl-64-217-116-74.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net>
wrote:
>   TC was voted for and I consider it closed business.
Wax has the job 
deal
>   with it! 
Mostly on IRC! That's not the way
we've agreed to do
things.
>   I'm not against you. Just because some of us miss
the Memo does not 
make them right!
Well excuse me.
>   Before anyone complains, they should open their
minds and read what 
Alex
>   has to say. 
Right, and Alex is a great
listener.
Jason

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I am not a developer, but i am an adult man, with some
experience with team working and have been reading
this mailing list since the begining, and what can i
say?

First:
I have seen Alex Ionescu apologicing, often, so yes,
drop IRONY, Alex is a great listener, and NO! it is
not easy to find people who would apologice nowadays.

Second:
I saw the loss of focus in this proyect for a long
time, with the largely delayed 0.3.0, and it have
being people like Alex, Filip, Ge, Waxdragon, Tabor...
who took the torch and carried the proyect for a full
year.

Third:
I have seen Alex Ionescu as the one in the center of
all discusions, and he could be fast to answer, but he
proved to be as fast to apologice, and that i have not
seen from some other developers.

Four:
It IS NORMAL, to have discussions where you are
working in such a big proyect, not everyone can have
the same vision of a whole OS, but what have NO sense,
is to harass people for doing their work well, just
cause there is not a F* paper about their "election".

Fith:
I thought this was an open source project, so people
commit if they want, if they dont they dont, period.
Harassing people wont grow the developer base.


I have been following this proyect before 0.2 was
released, i even submited some documentation and i
wonder if i have been wasting my time. Sorry if i look
a bit angry, but i AM a bit angry as i see several
good developers force to leave for this kind of
avoidable situations even if i can not (but wish) help
with code.



Good luck,

Lucio Diaz-Flores Varela.


	
	
		
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[Jason Filby]

On 10/16/05, Lucio Diaz <reactos_translate(a)yahoo.es> wrote:
>   I have seen Alex Ionescu apologicing, often, so yes,
>  drop IRONY, Alex is a great listener, and NO! it is
>  not easy to find people who would apologice nowadays. 
This is the only point which I agree on. I shouldn't have said that, I
was angry. What I should have explained is that he - and others -
cannot say that the so called election of the TC was right and proper.

Jason

[Casper Hornstrup]

>   -----Original Message-----
>  From: ros-dev-bounces(a)reactos.org [mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of Lucio
> Diaz
>  Sent: 17. oktober 2005 00:16
>  To: ros-dev(a)reactos.org
>  Subject: [ros-dev] Team work
>  
>  I am not a developer, but i am an adult man, with some
>  experience with team working and have been reading
>  this mailing list since the begining, and what can i
>  say?
>  
>  First:
>  I have seen Alex Ionescu apologicing, often, so yes,
>  drop IRONY, Alex is a great listener, and NO! it is
>  not easy to find people who would apologice nowadays. 
[CSH] Most of the times when there is a disagreement there
is no reason to apologise. We just settle the issue with a
vote and follow the outcome in the future (until voted
upon again).

>   Third:
>  I have seen Alex Ionescu as the one in the center of
>  all discusions, and he could be fast to answer, but he
>  proved to be as fast to apologice, and that i have not
>  seen from some other developers. 
[CSH] All? Actually can you point me to a posting where
Alex apologises? I'm just wondering where you get the
"Alex often apologises" from.

>   Four:
>  It IS NORMAL, to have discussions where you are
>  working in such a big proyect, not everyone can have
>  the same vision of a whole OS, but what have NO sense,
>  is to harass people for doing their work well, just
>  cause there is not a F* paper about their "election". 
[CSH] So, you think it's okay for 5 people to grant one
person more rights than the other 30 whenever they want
(and without telling the other 30 people)?

>   Fith:
>  I thought this was an open source project, so people
>  commit if they want, if they dont they dont, period.
>  Harassing people wont grow the developer base. 
[CSH] I get the feeling that in some cases, what you
would call harassment of people, I would call critiquing
peoples actions. Maybe you could provide concrete examples?
One example where someone is harassed and one where someone
critiques someone else's actions. I can provide better
arguments in concrete cases than when discussing it in
general. Or maybe they are all harassment cases to you?

Casper