ROS-release prepared

[Robert Köpferl]

Hi,
I prepared a distribution of ros 0.2.7 release.
However, I have no good feeling.

Not very reproducable (at least I didn't get the rule, yet) it makes 
problems in qemu.
-Sometimes the setup without format doesn't work (crash)
-Then the creation of some hive didn't work -> freeldr can't boot
-Install works, boot fails

At least I have an archive with qemu and working 0.2.7
Maybe that's all related. Possibly am I operating at some limit. Moving 
the mouse fills up the last bit of memory.

Actually, however, if this is the same on our customers pcs, I don't 
like the idea of delivering that...


Opinions

[Alex Ionescu]

Robert Köpferl wrote:

>   Hi,
>  I prepared a distribution of ros 0.2.7 release.
>  However, I have no good feeling.
>
>  Not very reproducable (at least I didn't get the rule, yet) it makes 
>  problems in qemu.
>  -Sometimes the setup without format doesn't work (crash) 
This happens for a very long time...usually a crash in CcRos/vfat. We 
can't do much about it since nobody has looked at it/found a way to 
consistently reproduce it.

>   -Then the creation of some hive didn't work ->
> freeldr can't boot
>  -Install works, boot fails 
This can sometimes rarely happen too... I'm surprised you are 
reproducing it consistently though.

>  
>  At least I have an archive with qemu and working 0.2.7
>  Maybe that's all related. Possibly am I operating at some limit. 
>  Moving the mouse fills up the last bit of memory. 
How much memory did you dedicate to ROS?

>  
>  Actually, however, if this is the same on our customers pcs, I don't 
>  like the idea of delivering that... 
We are a pre-alpha OS, such things can happen. We'll never reach 
installion perfection. I've had trouble installing Windows XP on FOUR 
machines, in the same environment, but the machines were totally 
different. And the bug which stopped me from installing it is:
1) Known to microsoft
2) Happens since NT 5 Beta
3) Has about 20+ possible reasons and is almost impossible to debug.

All this to say that ReactOS will probably end up suffering from similar 
problems too. But I agree the issues you mentionned are important. 
Perhaps it will work better with the new Cc.

Best regards,
Alex Ionescu

>  
>
>  Opinions

[WaxDragon]

Robert Köpferl wrote:
>   Hi,
>  I prepared a distribution of ros 0.2.7 release.
>  However, I have no good feeling. 
These issues you have described are known, but intermittent.  I have
tested the 0.2.7 branch under vmware, qemu and real hardware, and the
branch has performed consistantly under each platform.  Considering
the bugs we *did* catch for 0.2.7, I think it's a good release.  The
0.2.7 branch has the TC 's blessing. Ship it.

WD
-- 
#irc.freenode.net #reactos
01:03PM <filip2307> i don't know about any bug
01:04PM <filip2307> none exist
01:04PM <filip2307> ReactOS is prefect

[Robert Köpferl]

WaxDragon wrote:

>   These issues you have described are known, but
> intermittent.  I have
>  tested the 0.2.7 branch under vmware, qemu and real hardware, and the
>  branch has performed consistantly under each platform.  Considering
>  the bugs we *did* catch for 0.2.7, I think it's a good release.  The
>  0.2.7 branch has the TC 's blessing. Ship it. 
Your word in echelon's ear.
It'll be upped until tomorrow.
The RC-releases will disappear as will 2.6

Hope this will be one of our better releases. (looking to 2.6)


>   
>  WD

[Brandon Turner]

In an attempt to make this more of a full release then something we are 
blwoing off I have skimmed through the svn logs and pulled out all 
things i think should be in the change log.  Here is a raw output of 
what changes i think should should be added:  
www.brandonturner.org/ROS/0.2.7.txt   I dont know if i said this in my 
last email or not but I dont know what is important what isnt really so 
this could be way off.  3 big things that happened which arent stressed 
in the raw log, Filip changed everything(?) to USE_W32API, Filip and 
Alex mostly did all the ndk and other header fixes to make them windows 
compatible, Casper did rbuild.  I dont know if the first two things will 
be added in generic or need to be added in all sections that they apply 
too(im guessing most?).  Anyways, later today im going to go through the 
raw changes again and later tonight im going to add them to the wiki.  
Please tell me anything in there that should not be added to change log 
or anything i missed.

Thanks
Brandon

Robert Köpferl wrote:

>  
>
>  WaxDragon wrote:
>
> >   These issues you have described are known, but
> > intermittent.  I have
> >  tested the 0.2.7 branch under vmware, qemu and real hardware, and the
> >  branch has performed consistantly under each platform.  Considering
> >  the bugs we *did* catch for 0.2.7, I think it's a good release.  The
> >  0.2.7 branch has the TC 's blessing. Ship it. 
>
>  Your word in echelon's ear.
>  It'll be upped until tomorrow.
>  The RC-releases will disappear as will 2.6
>
>  Hope this will be one of our better releases. (looking to 2.6)
>
>
> >  
> >  WD 
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>

[Robert Köpferl]

Just now, I was on to extract the changelog off the wiki.
While I came across your message, I thought, that this is exactly the 
right information I need. I can't say whehter you shal include this or 
that. At least it is usus to not provide every very detail, because the 
changelog on sf is rather for end-users to read (if). If you tell me to 
include your information in the wiki, I'll wait till tomorrow to include it.
Seems like it is my part to delete potential unnecessary log entries. Or 
is anyone here who claims this decissions for her/himself ??

Brandon Turner wrote:
>   In an attempt to make this more of a full release then
> something we are 
>  blwoing off I have skimmed through the svn logs and pulled out all 
>  things i think should be in the change log.  Here is a raw output of 
>  what changes i think should should be added:  
>  www.brandonturner.org/ROS/0.2.7.txt   I dont know if i said this in my 
>  last email or not but I dont know what is important what isnt really so 
>  this could be way off.  3 big things that happened which arent stressed 
>  in the raw log, Filip changed everything(?) to USE_W32API, Filip and 
>  Alex mostly did all the ndk and other header fixes to make them windows 
>  compatible, Casper did rbuild.  I dont know if the first two things will 
>  be added in generic or need to be added in all sections that they apply 
>  too(im guessing most?).  Anyways, later today im going to go through the 
>  raw changes again and later tonight im going to add them to the wiki.  
>  Please tell me anything in there that should not be added to change log 
>  or anything i missed.
>  
>  Thanks
>  Brandon
>  
>  Robert Köpferl wrote:
>  
> >  
> >
> >  WaxDragon wrote:
> >
> > >   These issues you have described are known, but
> > > intermittent.  I have
> > >  tested the 0.2.7 branch under vmware, qemu and real hardware, and the
> > >  branch has performed consistantly under each platform.  Considering
> > >  the bugs we *did* catch for 0.2.7, I think it's a good release.  The
> > >  0.2.7 branch has the TC 's blessing. Ship it. 
> >
> >
> >  Your word in echelon's ear.
> >  It'll be upped until tomorrow.
> >  The RC-releases will disappear as will 2.6
> >
> >  Hope this will be one of our better releases. (looking to 2.6)
> >
> >
> > >  
> > >  WD 
> >
> >  _______________________________________________
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> >  Ros-dev(a)reactos.com
> >  http://reactos.com:8080/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
> >
> >  
>  
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>  http://reactos.com:8080/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
>

[Brandon Turner]

Don't take anything off the wiki for about 2 more hours!  It is 
unfinished and mess like you said.  Filip looked over the changes and in 
general most are right so I'm adding them to wiki.  I will be done in 
about 2 hours with new formatting and all changes.  Please hold out if 
you can.  I will also be making a less techincal version to explain 
things different in 0.2.7. 

Thanks
Brandon

Robert Köpferl wrote:

>   Just now, I was on to extract the changelog off the
> wiki.
>  While I came across your message, I thought, that this is exactly the 
>  right information I need. I can't say whehter you shal include this or 
>  that. At least it is usus to not provide every very detail, because 
>  the changelog on sf is rather for end-users to read (if). If you tell 
>  me to include your information in the wiki, I'll wait till tomorrow to 
>  include it.
>  Seems like it is my part to delete potential unnecessary log entries. 
>  Or is anyone here who claims this decissions for her/himself ??
>
>  Brandon Turner wrote:
>
> >   In an attempt to make this more of a full release
> > then something we 
> >  are blwoing off I have skimmed through the svn logs and pulled out 
> >  all things i think should be in the change log.  Here is a raw output 
> >  of what changes i think should should be added:  
> >  www.brandonturner.org/ROS/0.2.7.txt   I dont know if i said this in 
> >  my last email or not but I dont know what is important what isnt 
> >  really so this could be way off.  3 big things that happened which 
> >  arent stressed in the raw log, Filip changed everything(?) to 
> >  USE_W32API, Filip and Alex mostly did all the ndk and other header 
> >  fixes to make them windows compatible, Casper did rbuild.  I dont 
> >  know if the first two things will be added in generic or need to be 
> >  added in all sections that they apply too(im guessing most?).  
> >  Anyways, later today im going to go through the raw changes again and 
> >  later tonight im going to add them to the wiki.  Please tell me 
> >  anything in there that should not be added to change log or anything 
> >  i missed.
> >
> >  Thanks
> >  Brandon
> >
> >  Robert Köpferl wrote:
> >
> > >  
> > >
> > >  WaxDragon wrote:
> > >
> > > >   These issues you have described are known, but
> > > > intermittent.  I have
> > > >  tested the 0.2.7 branch under vmware, qemu and real hardware, and the
> > > >  branch has performed consistantly under each platform.  Considering
> > > >  the bugs we *did* catch for 0.2.7, I think it's a good release.  The
> > > >  0.2.7 branch has the TC 's blessing. Ship it. 
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >  Your word in echelon's ear.
> > >  It'll be upped until tomorrow.
> > >  The RC-releases will disappear as will 2.6
> > >
> > >  Hope this will be one of our better releases. (looking to 2.6)
> > >
> > >
> > > >  
> > > >  WD 
> > >
> > >
> > >  _______________________________________________
> > >  Ros-dev mailing list
> > >  Ros-dev(a)reactos.com
> > >  http://reactos.com:8080/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
> > >
> > >  
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> >  Ros-dev(a)reactos.com
> >  http://reactos.com:8080/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
> >  
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>  http://reactos.com:8080/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
>
>

[Robert Köpferl]

Brandon Turner wrote:
>   Don't take anything off the wiki for about 2 more
> hours!  It is 
>  unfinished and mess like you said.  Filip looked over the changes and in 
>  general most are right so I'm adding them to wiki.  I will be done in 
>  about 2 hours with new formatting and all changes.  Please hold out if 
>  you can.  I will also be making a less techincal version to explain 
>  things different in 0.2.7.
>  Thanks
>  Brandon
>   
Thanks, I'll wait for the less technical version to finish.
Either put it in the wiki or send it directly to me or the list.

I'll add it in a vew hours.

[Brandon Turner]

Thank you for waiting. There is a non-technical changelog / overview at 
the top of that article.   The change log is filled out pretty well and 
i think we have most important things in it.

http://www.reactos.com/wiki/index.php/ChangeLog-0.2.7

This the last step in the release?  Tomorrow being the offical release 
date?  Do we need GvG to update the homepage to reflect the new release?

Brandon

Robert Köpferl wrote:

>  
>
>  Brandon Turner wrote:
>
> >   Don't take anything off the wiki for about 2
> > more hours!  It is 
> >  unfinished and mess like you said.  Filip looked over the changes and 
> >  in general most are right so I'm adding them to wiki.  I will be done 
> >  in about 2 hours with new formatting and all changes.  Please hold 
> >  out if you can.  I will also be making a less techincal version to 
> >  explain things different in 0.2.7.
> >  Thanks
> >  Brandon
> >  
>  Thanks, I'll wait for the less technical version to finish.
>  Either put it in the wiki or send it directly to me or the list.
>
>  I'll add it in a vew hours.
>  _______________________________________________
>  Ros-dev mailing list
>  Ros-dev(a)reactos.com
>  http://reactos.com:8080/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
>
>

[Robert Köpferl]

Thank you a lot for doing this work.
I extracted the text, put it in the Changelog textarea and signalled all 
listening recipents about our new release.

You seem to have some kind of numbering error in it. I didn't manage to 
get rid of it, thus i overtook it. I can change it within the next days.



Brandon Turner wrote:
>   Thank you for waiting. There is a non-technical
> changelog / overview at 
>  the top of that article.   The change log is filled out pretty well and 
>  i think we have most important things in it.
>  
>  http://www.reactos.com/wiki/index.php/ChangeLog-0.2.7
>  
>  This the last step in the release?  Tomorrow being the offical release 
>  date?  Do we need GvG to update the homepage to reflect the new release?
>  
>  Brandon
>  
>  Robert Köpferl wrote:
>  
> >  
> >
> >  Brandon Turner wrote:
> >
> > >   Don't take anything off the wiki for about 2
> > > more hours!  It is 
> > >  unfinished and mess like you said.  Filip looked over the changes and 
> > >  in general most are right so I'm adding them to wiki.  I will be done 
> > >  in about 2 hours with new formatting and all changes.  Please hold 
> > >  out if you can.  I will also be making a less techincal version to 
> > >  explain things different in 0.2.7.
> > >  Thanks
> > >  Brandon
> > >  
> >  Thanks, I'll wait for the less technical version to finish.
> >  Either put it in the wiki or send it directly to me or the list.
> >
> >  I'll add it in a vew hours.
> >  _______________________________________________
> >  Ros-dev mailing list
> >  Ros-dev(a)reactos.com
> >  http://reactos.com:8080/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
> >
> >  
>  
>  _______________________________________________
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>  Ros-dev(a)reactos.com
>  http://reactos.com:8080/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
>

[Maarten Bosma]

Hi,

I just download the qemu image and noticed that it does not have Mozilla 
Control preinstalled, Network set up (I can't ping google.com or a ip in 
my network). Also a link to ibrowser on the destop would be nice. Since 
it is not announced officially there would be still time to fix it. I 
think that would be a greate improvement for the release.

 
Maarten Bosma

Robert Köpferl wrote:

>   Brandon Turner wrote:
>
> >   Don't take anything off the wiki for about 2
> > more hours!  It is 
> >  unfinished and mess like you said.  Filip looked over the changes and 
> >  in general most are right so I'm adding them to wiki.  I will be done 
> >  in about 2 hours with new formatting and all changes.  Please hold 
> >  out if you can.  I will also be making a less techincal version to 
> >  explain things different in 0.2.7.
> >  Thanks
> >  Brandon
> >  
>  Thanks, I'll wait for the less technical version to finish.
>  Either put it in the wiki or send it directly to me or the list.
>
>  I'll add it in a vew hours.
>  _______________________________________________
>  Ros-dev mailing list
>  Ros-dev(a)reactos.com
>  http://reactos.com:8080/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev

[WaxDragon]

On 8/22/05, Maarten Bosma <maarten.paul(a)bosma.de> wrote:
>   Hi,
>  
>  I just download the qemu image and noticed that it does not have Mozilla
>  Control preinstalled, Network set up (I can't ping google.com or a ip in
>  my network). Also a link to ibrowser on the destop would be nice. Since
>  it is not announced officially there would be still time to fix it. I
>  think that would be a greate improvement for the release.
>  
>  
>  Maarten Bosma 
Both of those are networking releated, and 0.2.7 is NOT a networking release.

-- 
#irc.freenode.net #reactos
01:03PM <filip2307> i don't know about any bug
01:04PM <filip2307> none exist
01:04PM <filip2307> ReactOS is prefect

[Maarten Bosma]

Hi,

>   filip2307 on IRC: ...there is a code to download the
> Mozilla Control 
>  if it's not present and the user is asked to allow it. 

Okay, then it is not nessary to have it on the image. But I have not 
been asked when I started iBrowser maybe because network is not set up.

WaxDragon wrote:

>  Both of those are networking releated, and 0.2.7 is NOT
> a networking release.
>   
>  
But that does not mean that you can't activate network in qemu doesn't it
?


Maarten Bosma

[WaxDragon]

>   WaxDragon wrote:
>  
> >  Both of those are networking releated, and 0.2.7
> > is NOT a networking release.
> >
> >  
>  But that does not mean that you can't activate network in qemu doesn't it
> ? 
Actually, during my testing, I checked that networking worked under
both qemu 0.7.0 and vmware 5.  I'm just saying that you shouldn't ask
why 0.2.7 didn't have XXXX network feature..

-- 
#irc.freenode.net #reactos
01:03PM <filip2307> i don't know about any bug
01:04PM <filip2307> none exist
01:04PM <filip2307> ReactOS is prefect

[Maarten Bosma]

>  Actually, during my testing, I checked that networking
> worked under
> both qemu 0.7.0 and vmware 5.  I'm just saying that you shouldn't ask
> why 0.2.7 didn't have XXXX network feature..
>  
I did not. I just asked why networking is not activated in the qemu package.

Maarten Bosma

[WaxDragon]

On 8/22/05, Maarten Bosma <maarten.paul(a)bosma.de> wrote:

>   I did not. I just asked why networking is not
> activated in the qemu package.
>   
I don't understand what you are saying.  Networking (as much as it
works) works under qemu-0.7.x right from the bootcd.  What are you
saying is broken?

-- 
#irc.freenode.net #reactos
01:03PM <filip2307> i don't know about any bug
01:04PM <filip2307> none exist
01:04PM <filip2307> ReactOS is prefect

[Maarten Bosma]

Sorry i thought that it was some command line missing in the batch file 
and that is because network does not work. (ping)

WaxDragon worte:

>  On 8/22/05, Maarten Bosma <maarten.paul(a)bosma.de>
> wrote:
>
>   
>
> >  I did not. I just asked why networking is not
> > activated in the qemu package.
> >
> >     
> >  
> I don't understand what you are saying.  Networking (as much as it
> works) works under qemu-0.7.x right from the bootcd.  What are you
> saying is broken?
>
>   
>

[art yerkes]

On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 21:37:31 +0200
Maarten Bosma <maarten.paul(a)bosma.de> wrote:

>   Sorry i thought that it was some command line missing
> in the batch file 
>  and that is because network does not work. (ping)
>  
>  WaxDragon worte:
>  
>  >On 8/22/05, Maarten Bosma <maarten.paul(a)bosma.de> wrote:
>  >
>  >  
>  >
>  >>I did not. I just asked why networking is not activated in the qemu package.
>  >>
>  >>    
>  >>
>  >
>  >I don't understand what you are saying.  Networking (as much as it
>  >works) works under qemu-0.7.x right from the bootcd.  What are you
>  >saying is broken?
>  >
>  > 
Ping is not proxied by qemu -user-net.  You'll have to test with some
other tool.
  
--
Here's a simple experiment. Stand on a train track between two locomotives
which are pushing on you with equal force in opposite directions. You will
exhibit no net motion. None the less, you may soon begin to notice that
something important is happening.
-- Robert Stirniman

[David Johnson]

ros 027 is great!

On 8/23/05, art yerkes <ayerkes(a)speakeasy.net> wrote:
>   On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 21:37:31 +0200
>  Maarten Bosma <maarten.paul(a)bosma.de> wrote:
>  
> >   Sorry i thought that it was some command line
> > missing in the batch file
> >  and that is because network does not work. (ping)
> >
> >  WaxDragon worte:
> >
> >  >On 8/22/05, Maarten Bosma <maarten.paul(a)bosma.de> wrote:
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >>I did not. I just asked why networking is not activated in the qemu package.
> >  >>
> >  >>
> >  >>
> >  >
> >  >I don't understand what you are saying.  Networking (as much as it
> >  >works) works under qemu-0.7.x right from the bootcd.  What are you
> >  >saying is broken?
> >  >
> >  > 
>  
>  Ping is not proxied by qemu -user-net.  You'll have to test with some
>  other tool.
>  
>  --
>  Here's a simple experiment. Stand on a train track between two locomotives
>  which are pushing on you with equal force in opposite directions. You will
>  exhibit no net motion. None the less, you may soon begin to notice that
>  something important is happening.
>  -- Robert Stirniman
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[Andrew Murphy]

On 22/08/05, Maarten Bosma <maarten.paul(a)bosma.de> wrote:
>   
>  Hi,
>  
>  I just download the qemu image and noticed that it does not have Mozilla
>  Control preinstalled, 


This is because there has too be the sources released for it too, which 
takes around 26MB EXTRA :)

Network set up (I can't ping google.com <http://google.com> or a ip in
>   my network). Also a link to ibrowser on the destop
> would be nice. Since
>  it is not announced officially there would be still time to fix it. I
>  think that would be a greate improvement for the release.
>  
>  
>  Maarten Bosma
>  
>  Robert Köpferl wrote:
>  
> >   Brandon Turner wrote:
> >
> > >   Don't take anything off the wiki for about 2
> > > more hours! It is
> > >  unfinished and mess like you said. Filip looked over the changes and
> > >  in general most are right so I'm adding them to wiki. I will be done
> > >  in about 2 hours with new formatting and all changes. Please hold
> > >  out if you can. I will also be making a less techincal version to
> > >  explain things different in 0.2.7.
> > >  Thanks
> > >  Brandon
> > >  
> >  Thanks, I'll wait for the less technical version to finish.
> >  Either put it in the wiki or send it directly to me or the list.
> >
> >  I'll add it in a vew hours.
> >  _______________________________________________
> >  Ros-dev mailing list
> >  Ros-dev(a)reactos.com
> >  http://reactos.com:8080/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev 
>  
>  
>  _______________________________________________
>  Ros-dev mailing list
>  Ros-dev(a)reactos.com
>  http://reactos.com:8080/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
>