August meeting

[Aleksey Bragin]

Hi,
this is a reminder about the Status meeting, which is to happen  
tomorrow, 25th of August at 19:00 UTC. Please don't miss it.

Proposed agenda for the meeting:
1. Arwinss adoption voting.
2. CMake adoption voting.
3. Release preparation status report, deciding on the next release date.
4. Driver signing. Discussing possible threats and deciding on an  
official position wrt driver signing in future.
4. Party related to GSoC results.

I propose to move individual devs status reports to ros-dev mailing  
list, because there is no reason to just sit in the irc channel and  
listen to them for hours.

List of participants:
- Giannis Adamopoulos (smiley1_)
- Johannes Anderwald (janderwald)
- Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo (elhoir)
- Maciej Bialas (niski)
- Jan Blomqvist-Kinander (JaixBly)
- Aleksey Bragin (abragin)
- Thomas Faber (ThFabba)
- Colin Finck (Colin_Finck)
- Jérôme Gardou (zefklop)
- Danny Götte (dangerground)
- Cameron Gutman (aicom)
- Ziliang Guo (ZWabbit)
- Rafal Harabien (rafalh)
- Andrew Hill (ash77)
- Kamil Hornicek (Pigglesworth)
- Gabriel Ilardi (gabriel_it)
- Alex Ionescu (Alex_Ionescu)
- Amine Khaldi (AmineKhaldi)
- Igor Koshpaev (tower)
- Timo Kreuzer (tkreuzer)
- Matthias Kupfer (Collibri)
- Michael Martin (mjmartin)
- Victor Martinez (vicmarcal)
- Roel Messiant (Mephisto)
- Claudiu Mihail (KlausM)
- Andrew Munger (WaxDragon)
- Ged Murphy (GedMurphy)
- Igor Paliychuk (igorko)
- Sylvain Petreolle (Usurp)
- Hervé Poussineau (hpoussin)
- Daniel Reimer (dreimer)
- Pierre Schweitzer (HeisSpiter)
- Samuel Serapion (encoded)
- Olaf Siejka (Caemyr)
- James Tabor (jimtabor)
- Christoph von Wittich (Christoph_vW)
- Art Yerkes (arty)

WBR,
Aleksey Bragin.

[Ged Murphy]

Will the meeting be private or public?


-----Original Message-----
From: ros-dev-bounces(a)reactos.org [mailto:[e-mail]] On
Behalf Of Aleksey Bragin
Sent: 24 August 2011 10:31
To: ReactOS Development List
Subject: [ros-dev] August meeting

Hi,
this is a reminder about the Status meeting, which is to happen tomorrow,
25th of August at 19:00 UTC. Please don't miss it.

Proposed agenda for the meeting:
1. Arwinss adoption voting.
2. CMake adoption voting.
3. Release preparation status report, deciding on the next release date.
4. Driver signing. Discussing possible threats and deciding on an official
position wrt driver signing in future.
4. Party related to GSoC results.

I propose to move individual devs status reports to ros-dev mailing list,
because there is no reason to just sit in the irc channel and listen to them
for hours.

List of participants:
- Giannis Adamopoulos (smiley1_)
- Johannes Anderwald (janderwald)
- Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo (elhoir)
- Maciej Bialas (niski)
- Jan Blomqvist-Kinander (JaixBly)
- Aleksey Bragin (abragin)
- Thomas Faber (ThFabba)
- Colin Finck (Colin_Finck)
- Jérôme Gardou (zefklop)
- Danny Götte (dangerground)
- Cameron Gutman (aicom)
- Ziliang Guo (ZWabbit)
- Rafal Harabien (rafalh)
- Andrew Hill (ash77)
- Kamil Hornicek (Pigglesworth)
- Gabriel Ilardi (gabriel_it)
- Alex Ionescu (Alex_Ionescu)
- Amine Khaldi (AmineKhaldi)
- Igor Koshpaev (tower)
- Timo Kreuzer (tkreuzer)
- Matthias Kupfer (Collibri)
- Michael Martin (mjmartin)
- Victor Martinez (vicmarcal)
- Roel Messiant (Mephisto)
- Claudiu Mihail (KlausM)
- Andrew Munger (WaxDragon)
- Ged Murphy (GedMurphy)
- Igor Paliychuk (igorko)
- Sylvain Petreolle (Usurp)
- Hervé Poussineau (hpoussin)
- Daniel Reimer (dreimer)
- Pierre Schweitzer (HeisSpiter)
- Samuel Serapion (encoded)
- Olaf Siejka (Caemyr)
- James Tabor (jimtabor)
- Christoph von Wittich (Christoph_vW)
- Art Yerkes (arty)

WBR,
Aleksey Bragin.
_______________________________________________
Ros-dev mailing list
Ros-dev(a)reactos.org
http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev

[Johannnes Anderwald]

Am 24.08.2011 11:30, schrieb Aleksey Bragin:
>   Hi,
>  this is a reminder about the Status meeting, which is to happen 
>  tomorrow, 25th of August at 19:00 UTC. Please don't miss it.
>
>  Proposed agenda for the meeting:
>  1. Arwinss adoption voting.
>  2. CMake adoption voting.
>  3. Release preparation status report, deciding on the next release date.
>  4. Driver signing. Discussing possible threats and deciding on an 
>  official position wrt driver signing in future.
>  4. Party related to GSoC results.
>
>  I propose to move individual devs status reports to ros-dev mailing 
>  list, because there is no reason to just sit in the irc channel and 
>  listen to them for hours.
>
>  List of participants:
>  - Giannis Adamopoulos (smiley1_)
>  - Johannes Anderwald (janderwald) 
Hi,

I wont be here on Thursday.

kind regards,
Johannes

Who will be leading the meeting?

On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 12:23 +0200, "Johannnes Anderwald"
<johannes.anderwald(a)reactos.org> wrote:
>   Am 24.08.2011 11:30, schrieb Aleksey Bragin:
>  > Hi,
>  > this is a reminder about the Status meeting, which is to happen 
>  > tomorrow, 25th of August at 19:00 UTC. Please don't miss it.
>  >
>  > Proposed agenda for the meeting:
>  > 1. Arwinss adoption voting.
>  > 2. CMake adoption voting.
>  > 3. Release preparation status report, deciding on the next release date.
>  > 4. Driver signing. Discussing possible threats and deciding on an 
>  > official position wrt driver signing in future.
>  > 4. Party related to GSoC results.
>  >
>  > I propose to move individual devs status reports to ros-dev mailing 
>  > list, because there is no reason to just sit in the irc channel and 
>  > listen to them for hours.
>  >
>  > List of participants:
>  > - Giannis Adamopoulos (smiley1_)
>  > - Johannes Anderwald (janderwald) 
-- 
With best regards
Caemyr

[Aleksey Bragin]

I will this time.

As for public/private, I suppose majority wanted to have it private?  
I don't have a strong position here because first of all we are not  
going to discuss something, which is not for public ear, and second  
is that meeting minutes are published anyway in our mailing list. If  
meetings are strictly private (which is also just fine), then we need  
to re-think the meeting process somehow so that meeting minutes would  
be adjusted accordingly.

WBR,
Aleksey Bragin.

On Aug 25, 2011, at 1:32 AM, caemyr(a)myopera.com wrote:

>   Who will be leading the meeting?
>
>  On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 12:23 +0200, "Johannnes Anderwald"  
>  <johannes.anderwald(a)reactos.org> wrote:
> >   Am 24.08.2011 11:30, schrieb Aleksey Bragin:
> > > Hi,
> > > this is a reminder about the Status meeting, which is to happen
> > > tomorrow, 25th of August at 19:00 UTC. Please don't miss it.
> > >
> > > Proposed agenda for the meeting:
> > > 1. Arwinss adoption voting.
> > > 2. CMake adoption voting.
> > > 3. Release preparation status report, deciding on the next  
> > > release date.
> > > 4. Driver signing. Discussing possible threats and deciding on an
> > > official position wrt driver signing in future.
> > > 4. Party related to GSoC results.
> > >
> > > I propose to move individual devs status reports to ros-dev mailing
> > > list, because there is no reason to just sit in the irc channel and
> > > listen to them for hours.
> > >
> > > List of participants:
> > > - Giannis Adamopoulos (smiley1_)
> > > - Johannes Anderwald (janderwald) 
>  -- 
>  With best regards
>  Caemyr
>
>  _______________________________________________
>  Ros-dev mailing list
>  Ros-dev(a)reactos.org
>  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev

[Ged Murphy]

Aleksey Bragin wrote:

>   As for public/private, I suppose majority wanted to
> have it private?  
>  I don't have a strong position here because first of all we are
>  not going to discuss something, which is not for public ear,  
Why do you say that?
What if I think Timo is actually an American spy out to destroy reactos due
to its Russian roots, and is planting code into the source which violates
Apples patent on the wheel and the colour blue? This is a topic I'd like to
discuss in private, as it's possible I may be wrong and Timo is really
working for the British.

In all seriousness, there are an infinite number of topics which may be
better suited to a private conversation. 
I actually have two in mind, one being the driver signing issue.
Not all public facing companies should conduct all of their affairs in the
public eye.

>   and second is that meeting minutes are published
> anyway in 
>  our mailing list. 
Of course the minutes can and should be published, but they can omit
sensitive information which a public chat cannot.
Private meetings allow people to discuss things more freely without fear of
the Americans hunting you down and declaring war.

Ged.

[Pierre Schweitzer]

Hi,
I've just sent the emails containing the credentials to all the users.

As a public reminder, the meeting will take place on the IRC server fezile.reactos.org
port 6667, no SSL) on channel #meeting.

Please don't forget to log in with the given nickname and then provide the password
you received.
The meeting will be open for reading to everyone.

The IRC server will be open a short time before meeting starts (at 19UTC, so in a bit less
than 3 hours).

Regards,
Pierre.

ReactOS Development List <ros-dev(a)reactos.org> wrote on Wed, August 24th, 2011,
11:30 AM:
>   Hi,
>  this is a reminder about the Status meeting, which is to happen  
>  tomorrow, 25th of August at 19:00 UTC. Please don't miss it.
>  
>  Proposed agenda for the meeting:
>  1. Arwinss adoption voting.
>  2. CMake adoption voting.
>  3. Release preparation status report, deciding on the next release date.
>  4. Driver signing. Discussing possible threats and deciding on an  
>  official position wrt driver signing in future.
>  4. Party related to GSoC results.
>  
>  I propose to move individual devs status reports to ros-dev mailing  
>  list, because there is no reason to just sit in the irc channel and  
>  listen to them for hours.
>  
>  List of participants:
>  - Giannis Adamopoulos (smiley1_)
>  - Johannes Anderwald (janderwald)
>  - Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo (elhoir)
>  - Maciej Bialas (niski)
>  - Jan Blomqvist-Kinander (JaixBly)
>  - Aleksey Bragin (abragin)
>  - Thomas Faber (ThFabba)
>  - Colin Finck (Colin_Finck)
>  - Jérôme Gardou (zefklop)
>  - Danny Götte (dangerground)
>  - Cameron Gutman (aicom)
>  - Ziliang Guo (ZWabbit)
>  - Rafal Harabien (rafalh)
>  - Andrew Hill (ash77)
>  - Kamil Hornicek (Pigglesworth)
>  - Gabriel Ilardi (gabriel_it)
>  - Alex Ionescu (Alex_Ionescu)
>  - Amine Khaldi (AmineKhaldi)
>  - Igor Koshpaev (tower)
>  - Timo Kreuzer (tkreuzer)
>  - Matthias Kupfer (Collibri)
>  - Michael Martin (mjmartin)
>  - Victor Martinez (vicmarcal)
>  - Roel Messiant (Mephisto)
>  - Claudiu Mihail (KlausM)
>  - Andrew Munger (WaxDragon)
>  - Ged Murphy (GedMurphy)
>  - Igor Paliychuk (igorko)
>  - Sylvain Petreolle (Usurp)
>  - Hervé Poussineau (hpoussin)
>  - Daniel Reimer (dreimer)
>  - Pierre Schweitzer (HeisSpiter)
>  - Samuel Serapion (encoded)
>  - Olaf Siejka (Caemyr)
>  - James Tabor (jimtabor)
>  - Christoph von Wittich (Christoph_vW)
>  - Art Yerkes (arty)
>  
>  WBR,
>  Aleksey Bragin.
>  _______________________________________________
>  Ros-dev mailing list
>  Ros-dev(a)reactos.org
>  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev

[Jérôme Gardou]

Hi.

I won't be able to attend the meeting tonight. As for the votings, Amine 
knows my feelings about the two issues concerned, so I give him my vote, 
if such a thing is doable.

Regards.
Jérôme.

Le 25/08/2011 18:14, Pierre Schweitzer a écrit :
>   Hi,
>  I've just sent the emails containing the credentials to all the users.
>
>  As a public reminder, the meeting will take place on the IRC server fezile.reactos.org
> port 6667, no SSL) on channel #meeting.
>
>  Please don't forget to log in with the given nickname and then provide the password
> you received.
>  The meeting will be open for reading to everyone.
>
>  The IRC server will be open a short time before meeting starts (at 19UTC, so in a bit
> less than 3 hours).
>
>  Regards,
>  Pierre.
>
>  ReactOS Development List<ros-dev(a)reactos.org>  wrote on Wed, August 24th, 2011,
> 11:30 AM:
> >   Hi,
> >  this is a reminder about the Status meeting, which is to happen
> >  tomorrow, 25th of August at 19:00 UTC. Please don't miss it.
> >
> >  Proposed agenda for the meeting:
> >  1. Arwinss adoption voting.
> >  2. CMake adoption voting.
> >  3. Release preparation status report, deciding on the next release date.
> >  4. Driver signing. Discussing possible threats and deciding on an
> >  official position wrt driver signing in future.
> >  4. Party related to GSoC results.
> >
> >  I propose to move individual devs status reports to ros-dev mailing
> >  list, because there is no reason to just sit in the irc channel and
> >  listen to them for hours.
> >
> >  List of participants:
> >  - Giannis Adamopoulos (smiley1_)
> >  - Johannes Anderwald (janderwald)
> >  - Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo (elhoir)
> >  - Maciej Bialas (niski)
> >  - Jan Blomqvist-Kinander (JaixBly)
> >  - Aleksey Bragin (abragin)
> >  - Thomas Faber (ThFabba)
> >  - Colin Finck (Colin_Finck)
> >  - Jérôme Gardou (zefklop)
> >  - Danny Götte (dangerground)
> >  - Cameron Gutman (aicom)
> >  - Ziliang Guo (ZWabbit)
> >  - Rafal Harabien (rafalh)
> >  - Andrew Hill (ash77)
> >  - Kamil Hornicek (Pigglesworth)
> >  - Gabriel Ilardi (gabriel_it)
> >  - Alex Ionescu (Alex_Ionescu)
> >  - Amine Khaldi (AmineKhaldi)
> >  - Igor Koshpaev (tower)
> >  - Timo Kreuzer (tkreuzer)
> >  - Matthias Kupfer (Collibri)
> >  - Michael Martin (mjmartin)
> >  - Victor Martinez (vicmarcal)
> >  - Roel Messiant (Mephisto)
> >  - Claudiu Mihail (KlausM)
> >  - Andrew Munger (WaxDragon)
> >  - Ged Murphy (GedMurphy)
> >  - Igor Paliychuk (igorko)
> >  - Sylvain Petreolle (Usurp)
> >  - Hervé Poussineau (hpoussin)
> >  - Daniel Reimer (dreimer)
> >  - Pierre Schweitzer (HeisSpiter)
> >  - Samuel Serapion (encoded)
> >  - Olaf Siejka (Caemyr)
> >  - James Tabor (jimtabor)
> >  - Christoph von Wittich (Christoph_vW)
> >  - Art Yerkes (arty)
> >
> >  WBR,
> >  Aleksey Bragin.
> >  _______________________________________________
> >  Ros-dev mailing list
> >  Ros-dev(a)reactos.org
> >  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev 
> _______________________________________________
>  Ros-dev mailing list
>  Ros-dev(a)reactos.org
>  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev

[Zachary Gorden]

A correction, today's meeting is NOT open to public viewing.

2011/8/25 Jérôme Gardou <jerome.gardou(a)laposte.net>

>   Hi.
>
>  I won't be able to attend the meeting tonight. As for the votings, Amine
>  knows my feelings about the two issues concerned, so I give him my vote, if
>  such a thing is doable.
>
>  Regards.
>  Jérôme.
>
>  Le 25/08/2011 18:14, Pierre Schweitzer a écrit :
>
>   Hi,
> >   I've just sent the emails containing the
> > credentials to all the users.
> >
> >  As a public reminder, the meeting will take place on the IRC server
> >  fezile.reactos.org port 6667, no SSL) on channel #meeting.
> >
> >  Please don't forget to log in with the given nickname and then provide the
> >  password you received.
> >  The meeting will be open for reading to everyone.
> >
> >  The IRC server will be open a short time before meeting starts (at 19UTC,
> >  so in a bit less than 3 hours).
> >
> >  Regards,
> >  Pierre.
> >
> >  ReactOS Development List<ros-dev(a)reactos.org>  wrote on Wed, August 24th,
> >  2011, 11:30 AM:
> >
> > >   Hi,
> > >  this is a reminder about the Status meeting, which is to happen
> > >  tomorrow, 25th of August at 19:00 UTC. Please don't miss it.
> > >
> > >  Proposed agenda for the meeting:
> > >  1. Arwinss adoption voting.
> > >  2. CMake adoption voting.
> > >  3. Release preparation status report, deciding on the next release date.
> > >  4. Driver signing. Discussing possible threats and deciding on an
> > >  official position wrt driver signing in future.
> > >  4. Party related to GSoC results.
> > >
> > >  I propose to move individual devs status reports to ros-dev mailing
> > >  list, because there is no reason to just sit in the irc channel and
> > >  listen to them for hours.
> > >
> > >  List of participants:
> > >  - Giannis Adamopoulos (smiley1_)
> > >  - Johannes Anderwald (janderwald)
> > >  - Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo (elhoir)
> > >  - Maciej Bialas (niski)
> > >  - Jan Blomqvist-Kinander (JaixBly)
> > >  - Aleksey Bragin (abragin)
> > >  - Thomas Faber (ThFabba)
> > >  - Colin Finck (Colin_Finck)
> > >  - Jérôme Gardou (zefklop)
> > >  - Danny Götte (dangerground)
> > >  - Cameron Gutman (aicom)
> > >  - Ziliang Guo (ZWabbit)
> > >  - Rafal Harabien (rafalh)
> > >  - Andrew Hill (ash77)
> > >  - Kamil Hornicek (Pigglesworth)
> > >  - Gabriel Ilardi (gabriel_it)
> > >  - Alex Ionescu (Alex_Ionescu)
> > >  - Amine Khaldi (AmineKhaldi)
> > >  - Igor Koshpaev (tower)
> > >  - Timo Kreuzer (tkreuzer)
> > >  - Matthias Kupfer (Collibri)
> > >  - Michael Martin (mjmartin)
> > >  - Victor Martinez (vicmarcal)
> > >  - Roel Messiant (Mephisto)
> > >  - Claudiu Mihail (KlausM)
> > >  - Andrew Munger (WaxDragon)
> > >  - Ged Murphy (GedMurphy)
> > >  - Igor Paliychuk (igorko)
> > >  - Sylvain Petreolle (Usurp)
> > >  - Hervé Poussineau (hpoussin)
> > >  - Daniel Reimer (dreimer)
> > >  - Pierre Schweitzer (HeisSpiter)
> > >  - Samuel Serapion (encoded)
> > >  - Olaf Siejka (Caemyr)
> > >  - James Tabor (jimtabor)
> > >  - Christoph von Wittich (Christoph_vW)
> > >  - Art Yerkes (arty)
> > >
> > >  WBR,
> > >  Aleksey Bragin.
> > >  ______________________________**_________________
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> > >  Ros-dev(a)reactos.org
> > >
> > > http://www.reactos.org/**mailman/listinfo/ros-dev<http://www.reactos.org…
> > >  
> >  ______________________________**_________________
> >  Ros-dev mailing list
> >  Ros-dev(a)reactos.org
> >
> > http://www.reactos.org/**mailman/listinfo/ros-dev<http://www.reactos.org…
> >  
>
>  ______________________________**_________________
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>  Ros-dev(a)reactos.org
>
> http://www.reactos.org/**mailman/listinfo/ros-dev<http://www.reactos.org…
>

[Pierre Schweitzer]

Since the decision has been taken not to have the meeting public due to the topics that
will be discussed, only the people who are in the quoted list will be able to access to
the channel on the IRC server where the meeting will be held.

To those who are on the list and who may not have received their credentials, please
remember to check your @reactos.org mail address. If you still don't have credentials,
please contact me as soon as possible.

Regards,
Pierre

ReactOS Development List <ros-dev(a)reactos.org> wrote on Thu, August 25th, 2011, 6:14
PM:
>   Hi,
>  I've just sent the emails containing the credentials to all the users.
>  
>  As a public reminder, the meeting will take place on the IRC server fezile.reactos.org
> port 6667, no SSL) on channel #meeting.
>  
>  Please don't forget to log in with the given nickname and then provide the password
> you received.
>  The meeting will be open for reading to everyone.
>  
>  The IRC server will be open a short time before meeting starts (at 19UTC, so in a bit
> less than 3 hours).
>  
>  Regards,
>  Pierre.
>  
>  ReactOS Development List <ros-dev(a)reactos.org> wrote on Wed, August 24th, 2011,
> 11:30 AM:
> >   Hi,
> >  this is a reminder about the Status meeting, which is to happen  
> >  tomorrow, 25th of August at 19:00 UTC. Please don't miss it.
> >  
> >  Proposed agenda for the meeting:
> >  1. Arwinss adoption voting.
> >  2. CMake adoption voting.
> >  3. Release preparation status report, deciding on the next release date.
> >  4. Driver signing. Discussing possible threats and deciding on an  
> >  official position wrt driver signing in future.
> >  4. Party related to GSoC results.
> >  
> >  I propose to move individual devs status reports to ros-dev mailing  
> >  list, because there is no reason to just sit in the irc channel and  
> >  listen to them for hours.
> >  
> >  List of participants:
> >  - Giannis Adamopoulos (smiley1_)
> >  - Johannes Anderwald (janderwald)
> >  - Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo (elhoir)
> >  - Maciej Bialas (niski)
> >  - Jan Blomqvist-Kinander (JaixBly)
> >  - Aleksey Bragin (abragin)
> >  - Thomas Faber (ThFabba)
> >  - Colin Finck (Colin_Finck)
> >  - Jérôme Gardou (zefklop)
> >  - Danny Götte (dangerground)
> >  - Cameron Gutman (aicom)
> >  - Ziliang Guo (ZWabbit)
> >  - Rafal Harabien (rafalh)
> >  - Andrew Hill (ash77)
> >  - Kamil Hornicek (Pigglesworth)
> >  - Gabriel Ilardi (gabriel_it)
> >  - Alex Ionescu (Alex_Ionescu)
> >  - Amine Khaldi (AmineKhaldi)
> >  - Igor Koshpaev (tower)
> >  - Timo Kreuzer (tkreuzer)
> >  - Matthias Kupfer (Collibri)
> >  - Michael Martin (mjmartin)
> >  - Victor Martinez (vicmarcal)
> >  - Roel Messiant (Mephisto)
> >  - Claudiu Mihail (KlausM)
> >  - Andrew Munger (WaxDragon)
> >  - Ged Murphy (GedMurphy)
> >  - Igor Paliychuk (igorko)
> >  - Sylvain Petreolle (Usurp)
> >  - Hervé Poussineau (hpoussin)
> >  - Daniel Reimer (dreimer)
> >  - Pierre Schweitzer (HeisSpiter)
> >  - Samuel Serapion (encoded)
> >  - Olaf Siejka (Caemyr)
> >  - James Tabor (jimtabor)
> >  - Christoph von Wittich (Christoph_vW)
> >  - Art Yerkes (arty)
> >  
> >  WBR,
> >  Aleksey Bragin.
> >  _______________________________________________
> >  Ros-dev mailing list
> >  Ros-dev(a)reactos.org
> >  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev 
>  
>  _______________________________________________
>  Ros-dev mailing list
>  Ros-dev(a)reactos.org
>  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev