Re: [ros-dev] explorer_new

[Ged Murphy]

Exactly.

The current explorer is self contained and incorrect according to true win32 shell architecture.

Our shell libraries aren’t complete enough to support the new explorer.

Andrew Hill was working on these libraries along with a basic ATL implementation some time ago.

I haven’t heard from him for a while now though.

Ged.

From: Adam Kachwalla [mailto:[e-mail]] 
Sent: 03 November 2010 08:51
To: Ged Murphy
Subject: Re: [ros-dev] explorer_new

Interesting... so I guess the old explorer.exe implemented that from scratch - I guess the one in shell32 is incomplete then right?

On Wed, 03 Nov 2010 19:50:18 +1100, Ged Murphy [e-mail] wrote:

It’s implemented in shell32 as an undocumented COM object.

From: Adam Kachwalla [mailto:[e-mail]] 
Sent: 03 November 2010 08:34
To: Ged Murphy
Subject: Re: [ros-dev] explorer_new

It is part of the shell though isn't it? If start menu isn't part of explorer then what is it part of?

On Wed, 03 Nov 2010 19:32:53 +1100, Ged Murphy [e-mail] wrote:

That’s because the start menu isn’t part of explorer

From: Adam Kachwalla [mailto:[e-mail]] 
Sent: 03 November 2010 08:28
To: 'ReactOS Development List'; Ged Murphy
Subject: Re: [ros-dev] explorer_new

Although it seems completely non-functional in the latest trunk builds. Start menu doesn't work, etc.

On Wed, 03 Nov 2010 19:23:29 +1100, Ged Murphy [e-mail] wrote:

It’s relatively complete, it’s the support libraries which are incomplete.

The only people with then necessary COM and shell skills (which is only really 2 of the ros devs) are either busy with other things or on sabbatical.

Ged.

From: [e-mail] [mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of Adam Kachwalla
Sent: 03 November 2010 01:19
To: ReactOS Development List
Subject: [ros-dev] explorer_new

Can anybody tell me what explorer_new is meant to be there for?

I understand people used to be working on it before, but it seems abandoned.
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[Adam Kachwalla]

So in reality, all one needs to do is to port a lot of the code from the  
explorer.exe into shell32.dll and explorer_new.exe will work fine. :)

I'll see when I can get around to it - if it needs any COM knowledge, I am  
not too experienced with it although I can learn using teh powerful  
intarwebs. However, with 7+ years Win32 experience it shouldn't be very  
hard. :)

On Wed, 03 Nov 2010 22:52:25 +1100, Ged Murphy [e-mail] wrote:
> Exactly.
>
> The current explorer is self contained and incorrect according to true  
> win32 shell architecture.
>
> Our shell libraries aren’t complete enough to support the new explorer.
>
> Andrew Hill was working on these libraries along with a basic ATL  
> implementation some time ago.
>
> I haven’t heard from him for a while now though.
>
> Ged.
>
> From: Adam Kachwalla [mailto:[e-mail]]Sent: 03 November 2010  
> 08:51
> To: Ged Murphy
> Subject: Re: [ros-dev] explorer_new
>
> Interesting... so I guess the old explorer.exe implemented that from  
> scratch - I guess the one in shell32 is incomplete then right?
>
> On Wed, 03 Nov 2010 19:50:18 +1100, Ged Murphy [e-mail]  
> wrote:
>
> It’s implemented in shell32 as an undocumented COM object.
>
> From: Adam Kachwalla [mailto:[e-mail]]Sent: 03 November 2010  
> 08:34
> To: Ged Murphy
> Subject: Re: [ros-dev] explorer_new
>
> It is part of the shell though isn't it? If start menu isn't part of  
> explorer then what is it part of?
>
> On Wed, 03 Nov 2010 19:32:53 +1100, Ged Murphy [e-mail]  
> wrote:
>
> That’s because the start menu isn’t part of explorer
>
> From: Adam Kachwalla [mailto:[e-mail]]Sent: 03 November 2010  
> 08:28
> To: 'ReactOS Development List'; Ged Murphy
> Subject: Re: [ros-dev] explorer_new
>
> Although it seems completely non-functional in the latest trunk builds.  
> Start menu doesn't work, etc.
>
> On Wed, 03 Nov 2010 19:23:29 +1100, Ged Murphy [e-mail]  
> wrote:
>
> It’s relatively complete, it’s the support libraries which are  
> incomplete.
>
> The only people with then necessary COM and shell skills (which is only  
> really 2 of the ros devs) are either busy with other things or >on  
> sabbatical.
>
> Ged.
>
> From: [e-mail] [mailto:[e-mail]]  
> On Behalf Of Adam Kachwalla
> Sent: 03 November 2010 01:19
> To: ReactOS Development List
> Subject: [ros-dev] explorer_new
>
> Can anybody tell me what explorer_new is meant to be there for?
>
> I understand people used to be working on it before, but it seems  
> abandoned.
>
> --
> Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day.
> Teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime.
> Give a man religion and he will die praying for a fish.
>
> --
> Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day.
> Teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime.
> Give a man religion and he will die praying for a fish.
> > --
>
> Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day.
> Teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime.
> Give a man religion and he will die praying for a fish.
-- 
Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day.
Teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime.
Give a man religion and he will die praying for a fish.

[Ged Murphy]

Adam Kachwalla wrote:
> So in reality, all one needs to do is to port a lot of 
> the code from the explorer.exe into shell32.dll and 
> explorer_new.exe will work fine. :)

Definitely not. People have been shot for less.
> if it needs any COM knowledge, I am not too experienced with
>  it although I can learn using teh powerful intarwebs. However,
>  with 7+ years Win32 experience it shouldn't be very hard. :)

Unfortunately it needs advanced COM knowledge and good reversing skills, considering much of the shell is undocumented.

I wish you luck.

Ged.