Re: [ros-dev] Interested in the Testing Coordinator position

[Murphy, Ged (Bolton)]

I hate ugly text formatting ...
Resending in a (hopefully) readable format.

Jerry wrote:

>   After a team says that it has fixed the bug ...
<snip>
>   Each team may have mentees associated with it. The
> teams would then 
>  help and guide their mentees in testing and coding, and these mentees 
>  will help with the work load that the regular testers have. The goal 
>  here is to guide the mentees to be regular developers and either stay 
>  in testing or move on to other parts of the project and have.  
I'm a little confused with the idea of the testing teams fixing bugs.

Testers aren't usually coders. It's great if they are as they can fix the
bugs they find, but in general testing positions are filled by people who
want to help the project, but aren't programmers.

If a tester is a programmer too, I think you'll find that do a lot more
programming than testing, as shown by our tree instability at the moment ;)

Ged.

[Toby Smithe]

On Fri, 2006-10-20 at 08:11 +0100, Murphy, Ged (Bolton) wrote:
>   I hate ugly text formatting ...
>  Resending in a (hopefully) readable format.
>  
>  Jerry wrote:
>  
> >   After a team says that it has fixed the bug ...
>  <snip>
> >   Each team may have mentees associated with it.
> > The teams would then 
> >  help and guide their mentees in testing and coding, and these mentees 
> >  will help with the work load that the regular testers have. The goal 
> >  here is to guide the mentees to be regular developers and either stay 
> >  in testing or move on to other parts of the project and have.  
>  
>  I'm a little confused with the idea of the testing teams fixing bugs.
>  
>  Testers aren't usually coders. It's great if they are as they can fix the
>  bugs they find, but in general testing positions are filled by people who
>  want to help the project, but aren't programmers.
>  
>  If a tester is a programmer too, I think you'll find that do a lot more
>  programming than testing, as shown by our tree instability at the moment ;) 
Yeah. I don't code, but I like to help out testing (and will start again
once I fixed my partition layout...). If I could code, that's what I
would be doing; as it is, though, I cannot fix these bugs.

[Jerry]

I understand that many testers are not coders, but having at least one or two 
coders on each testing team with the non-coder testers would make the teams 
self sufficient and be able to fix bugs more rapidly.

On Friday 20 October 2006 02:35, Toby Smithe wrote:
>   On Fri, 2006-10-20 at 08:11 +0100, Murphy, Ged
> (Bolton) wrote:
> >   I hate ugly text formatting ...
> >  Resending in a (hopefully) readable format.
> >
> >  Jerry wrote:
> > >   After a team says that it has fixed the bug ...
> >  <snip>
> >
> > >   Each team may have mentees associated with it.
> > > The teams would then
> > >  help and guide their mentees in testing and coding, and these mentees
> > >  will help with the work load that the regular testers have. The goal
> > >  here is to guide the mentees to be regular developers and either stay
> > >  in testing or move on to other parts of the project and have. 
> >  I'm a little confused with the idea of the testing teams fixing bugs.
> >
> >  Testers aren't usually coders. It's great if they are as they can fix the
> >  bugs they find, but in general testing positions are filled by people who
> >  want to help the project, but aren't programmers.
> >
> >  If a tester is a programmer too, I think you'll find that do a lot more
> >  programming than testing, as shown by our tree instability at the moment
> >  ;) 
>  Yeah. I don't code, but I like to help out testing (and will start again
>  once I fixed my partition layout...). If I could code, that's what I
>  would be doing; as it is, though, I cannot fix these bugs.
>
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[David Hinz]

Jerry schrieb:
>   I understand that many testers are not coders, but
> having at least one or two 
>  coders on each testing team with the non-coder testers would make the teams 
>  self sufficient and be able to fix bugs more rapidly. 
I hope you know, this is only a small project, and not some kind of a 
large company. I guess we don't have the ressources for your plans, 
although they sound really good.

Greets,

David Hinz

[Jerry]

That is why we start with only one or two teams and add more as the project 
grows.

On Friday 20 October 2006 12:13, David Hinz wrote:
>   Jerry schrieb:
> >   I understand that many testers are not coders,
> > but having at least one or
> >  two coders on each testing team with the non-coder testers would make the
> >  teams self sufficient and be able to fix bugs more rapidly. 
>  I hope you know, this is only a small project, and not some kind of a
>  large company. I guess we don't have the ressources for your plans,
>  although they sound really good.
>
>  Greets,
>
>  David Hinz
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[Saveliy Tretiakov]

>   I understand that many testers are not coders, but
> having at least one or
>  two coders on each testing team with the non-coder testers would make the
>  teams self sufficient and be able to fix bugs more rapidly 
Testing teams are not for fixing bugs,  they are for reporting bugs. 
After bug is reported, any coder that is competent enough can fix it. 
Thus there is no need in coders tied to testing teams.