Update on Wikipedia page

[Joshua Bailey]

I read the PDF and other information earlier today.  I've just  updated the Wikipedia page (in English, at least) 
regarding Arwinss with the newer, more detailed information.  Hopefully, once more people know about Arwinss 
and what it will do for ReactOS, more people will appreciate the potential of this project and join in.

I felt you guys should know, since I brought up the issue earlier. Feel free to check on it and correct any errors
 I've made. :)

-Joshua Bailey

[Olaf Siejka]

Thanks for your work and interest.

2010/1/17 Joshua Bailey [e-mail]
> I read the PDF and other information earlier today.  I've just  updated the
> Wikipedia page (in English, at least)
> regarding Arwinss with the newer, more detailed information.  Hopefully,
> once more people know about Arwinss
> and what it will do for ReactOS, more people will appreciate the potential
> of this project and join in.
>
> I felt you guys should know, since I brought up the issue earlier. Feel
> free to check on it and correct any errors
>  I've made. :)
>
> -Joshua Bailey
>
> Ros-dev mailing list
> [e-mail]
> http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev

[Alwyn Tan]

Hello, I'm reverting your edits, as the reviewers have deemed the sources of
information unacceptable for the article to achieve Good Article status.

On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 12:46 PM, Olaf Siejka [e-mail] wrote:
> Thanks for your work and interest.
>
> 2010/1/17 Joshua Bailey [e-mail]
> > I read the PDF and other information earlier today.  I've just  updated
> > the Wikipedia page (in English, at least)
> > regarding Arwinss with the newer, more detailed information.  Hopefully,
> > once more people know about Arwinss
> > and what it will do for ReactOS, more people will appreciate the potential
> > of this project and join in.
> >
> > I felt you guys should know, since I brought up the issue earlier. Feel
> > free to check on it and correct any errors
> >  I've made. :)
> >
> > -Joshua Bailey
> >
> > Ros-dev mailing list
> > [e-mail]
> > http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
>
> Ros-dev mailing list
> [e-mail]
> http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev

[Aleksey Bragin]

Alwyn - are you really sure? The information has been published in a  
mailing list (this one) by me, so this is the best ever reference. I  
don't really get why should some 3rd party be involved, if wikipedia  
article could have a direct reference to the matter?

Nevertheless, I'd like to spread the news via osnews.com of course.

On Jan 17, 2010, at 6:10 PM, Alwyn Tan wrote:
> Hello, I'm reverting your edits, as the reviewers have deemed the  
> sources of information unacceptable for the article to achieve Good  
> Article status.
>
> On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 12:46 PM, Olaf Siejka [e-mail]  
> wrote:
> Thanks for your work and interest.
>
> 2010/1/17 Joshua Bailey [e-mail]
> I read the PDF and other information earlier today.  I've just   
> updated the Wikipedia page (in English, at least)
> regarding Arwinss with the newer, more detailed information.   
> Hopefully, once more people know about Arwinss
> and what it will do for ReactOS, more people will appreciate the  
> potential of this project and join in.
>
> I felt you guys should know, since I brought up the issue earlier.  
> Feel free to check on it and correct any errors
>  I've made. :)
>
> -Joshua Bailey
>
> Ros-dev mailing list
> [e-mail]
> http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
>
> Ros-dev mailing list
> [e-mail]
> http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
>
> Ros-dev mailing list
> [e-mail]
> http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev

[Alwyn Tan]

I've been advised by Wikipedia that mailing lists are a bad source of
information, though like you, I too have my doubts. I think the main problem
stems from the fact that the sources are self-published and hence not as
reliable, as say, 3rd parties who have a need to maintain journalistic
integrity, and hence can be trusted as a more reliable source of
information. I think the idea is that say, journalists, have an obligation
to perform due diligence on the content they publish, either through
personal interviews with us or otherwise, and so therefore are more
trustworthy than even we are at reporting our own things.

Perhaps it might be best to just play by Wikipedia's rules for the time
being.

On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 6:56 PM, Aleksey Bragin [e-mail] wrote:
> Alwyn - are you really sure? The information has been published in a
> mailing list (this one) by me, so this is the best ever reference. I don't
> really get why should some 3rd party be involved, if wikipedia article could
> have a direct reference to the matter?
>
> Nevertheless, I'd like to spread the news via osnews.com of course.
>
> On Jan 17, 2010, at 6:10 PM, Alwyn Tan wrote:
>
> Hello, I'm reverting your edits, as the reviewers have deemed the sources
> of information unacceptable for the article to achieve Good Article status.
>
> On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 12:46 PM, Olaf Siejka [e-mail] wrote:
> > Thanks for your work and interest.
> >
> > 2010/1/17 Joshua Bailey [e-mail]
> > > I read the PDF and other information earlier today.  I've just  updated
> > > the Wikipedia page (in English, at least)
> > > regarding Arwinss with the newer, more detailed information.  Hopefully,
> > > once more people know about Arwinss
> > > and what it will do for ReactOS, more people will appreciate the
> > > potential of this project and join in.
> > >
> > > I felt you guys should know, since I brought up the issue earlier. Feel
> > > free to check on it and correct any errors
> > >  I've made. :)
> > >
> > > -Joshua Bailey
> > >
> > > Ros-dev mailing list
> > > [e-mail]
> > > http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
> >
> > Ros-dev mailing list
> > [e-mail]
> > http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
>
> Ros-dev mailing list
> [e-mail]
> http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
>
> Ros-dev mailing list
> [e-mail]
> http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev

[Olaf Siejka]

Yes... We publish our details on ARWINSS, it obviously cannot be trusted.
We tip off any broader online media about it, they publish THE SAME THING
(obviously it cannot even be validated, as most journalists out there, the
matter is too complicated for own, independent revaluation, not to mention
the time expense) - its a trusty source.

Makes perfect sense.

2010/1/17 Alwyn Tan [e-mail]
> I've been advised by Wikipedia that mailing lists are a bad source of
> information, though like you, I too have my doubts. I think the main problem
> stems from the fact that the sources are self-published and hence not as
> reliable, as say, 3rd parties who have a need to maintain journalistic
> integrity, and hence can be trusted as a more reliable source of
> information. I think the idea is that say, journalists, have an obligation
> to perform due diligence on the content they publish, either through
> personal interviews with us or otherwise, and so therefore are more
> trustworthy than even we are at reporting our own things.
>
> Perhaps it might be best to just play by Wikipedia's rules for the time
> being.
>
> On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 6:56 PM, Aleksey Bragin [e-mail]:
> > Alwyn - are you really sure? The information has been published in a
> > mailing list (this one) by me, so this is the best ever reference. I don't
> > really get why should some 3rd party be involved, if wikipedia article could
> > have a direct reference to the matter?
> >
> > Nevertheless, I'd like to spread the news via osnews.com of course.
> >
> > On Jan 17, 2010, at 6:10 PM, Alwyn Tan wrote:
> >
> > Hello, I'm reverting your edits, as the reviewers have deemed the sources
> > of information unacceptable for the article to achieve Good Article status.
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 12:46 PM, Olaf Siejka [e-mail] wrote:
> > > Thanks for your work and interest.
> > >
> > > 2010/1/17 Joshua Bailey [e-mail]
> > > > I read the PDF and other information earlier today.  I've just
> > > > updated the Wikipedia page (in English, at least)
> > > > regarding Arwinss with the newer, more detailed information.  Hopefully,
> > > > once more people know about Arwinss
> > > > and what it will do for ReactOS, more people will appreciate the
> > > > potential of this project and join in.
> > > >
> > > > I felt you guys should know, since I brought up the issue earlier. Feel
> > > > free to check on it and correct any errors
> > > >  I've made. :)
> > > >
> > > > -Joshua Bailey
> > > >
> > > > Ros-dev mailing list
> > > > [e-mail]
> > > > http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
> > >
> > > Ros-dev mailing list
> > > [e-mail]
> > > http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
> >
> > Ros-dev mailing list
> > [e-mail]
> > http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
> >
> > Ros-dev mailing list
> > [e-mail]
> > http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
>
> Ros-dev mailing list
> [e-mail]
> http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev

[Alwyn Tan]

The world can be a funny place to live in.

On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 9:28 PM, Olaf Siejka [e-mail] wrote:
> Yes... We publish our details on ARWINSS, it obviously cannot be trusted.
> We tip off any broader online media about it, they publish THE SAME THING
> (obviously it cannot even be validated, as most journalists out there, the
> matter is too complicated for own, independent revaluation, not to mention
> the time expense) - its a trusty source.
>
> Makes perfect sense.
>
> 2010/1/17 Alwyn Tan [e-mail]
> > I've been advised by Wikipedia that mailing lists are a bad source of
> > information, though like you, I too have my doubts. I think the main problem
> > stems from the fact that the sources are self-published and hence not as
> > reliable, as say, 3rd parties who have a need to maintain journalistic
> > integrity, and hence can be trusted as a more reliable source of
> > information. I think the idea is that say, journalists, have an obligation
> > to perform due diligence on the content they publish, either through
> > personal interviews with us or otherwise, and so therefore are more
> > trustworthy than even we are at reporting our own things.
> >
> > Perhaps it might be best to just play by Wikipedia's rules for the time
> > being.
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 6:56 PM, Aleksey Bragin [e-mail]:
> > > Alwyn - are you really sure? The information has been published in a
> > > mailing list (this one) by me, so this is the best ever reference. I don't
> > > really get why should some 3rd party be involved, if wikipedia article could
> > > have a direct reference to the matter?
> > >
> > > Nevertheless, I'd like to spread the news via osnews.com of course.
> > >
> > > On Jan 17, 2010, at 6:10 PM, Alwyn Tan wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello, I'm reverting your edits, as the reviewers have deemed the sources
> > > of information unacceptable for the article to achieve Good Article status.
> > >
> > > On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 12:46 PM, Olaf Siejka [e-mail] wrote:
> > > > Thanks for your work and interest.
> > > >
> > > > 2010/1/17 Joshua Bailey [e-mail]
> > > > > I read the PDF and other information earlier today.  I've just
> > > > > updated the Wikipedia page (in English, at least)
> > > > > regarding Arwinss with the newer, more detailed information.
> > > > > Hopefully, once more people know about Arwinss
> > > > > and what it will do for ReactOS, more people will appreciate the
> > > > > potential of this project and join in.
> > > > >
> > > > > I felt you guys should know, since I brought up the issue earlier. Feel
> > > > > free to check on it and correct any errors
> > > > >  I've made. :)
> > > > >
> > > > > -Joshua Bailey
> > > > >
> > > > > Ros-dev mailing list
> > > > > [e-mail]
> > > > > http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
> > > >
> > > > Ros-dev mailing list
> > > > [e-mail]
> > > > http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
> > >
> > > Ros-dev mailing list
> > > [e-mail]
> > > http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
> > >
> > > Ros-dev mailing list
> > > [e-mail]
> > > http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
> >
> > Ros-dev mailing list
> > [e-mail]
> > http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
>
> Ros-dev mailing list
> [e-mail]
> http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev