RE: [ros-dev] Patent on FAT

[Murphy, Ged (Bolton)]

nitro2k01 wrote:

>   I haven't seen the patant documents, but
> doesn't this mean that any
>  file system which stores both long and short file names on the same
>  volume would be theoreticlly affected?
>   
No. Long files names were incorporated into unix systems long before the
days FAT, or even DOS.
This patent (if correct) is linked to FAT only.

If is true, it would effect many things, but I can't see Microsoft enforcing
it, it would alienate themselves.

Just the fact that it is there is a problem for ReactOS though, even if they
don't do anything about it.

I haven't been able to find a copy of the patent yet. AFAIK, it was only
released today.

Ged.



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[nitro2k01]

>   No. Long files names were incorporated into unix
> systems long before the
>  days FAT, or even DOS.
>  This patent (if correct) is linked to FAT only. 
Yes of course, but isn't FAT
pretty much the only file system
combining a long ("Test file.txt") and short ("TESTFI~1.TXT") file
name for each file?
Does the patent cover only the concept of such a file system, or the
implementation as well?

                                                 /nitro2k01

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[Rick Langschultz]

If M$ is demanding royalties for FAT I think dropping FAT support  
would be a great thing. have you ever tried to cd to a directory in  
dos or linux with filenames TESTFI~1.TXT through TESTFI~9.TXT. That  
can get quite annoying...

DROP FAT as the standard and adopt another FS before M$ decides to  
get ugly...
On Jan 11, 2006, at 6:36 AM, nitro2k01 wrote:

> >   No. Long files
> > names were incorporated into unix systems long  
> >  before the
> >  days FAT, or even DOS.
> >  This patent (if correct) is linked to FAT only. 
>  Yes of course, but isn't FAT
> pretty much the only file system
>  combining a long ("Test file.txt") and short ("TESTFI~1.TXT") file
>  name for each file?
>  Does the patent cover only the concept of such a file system, or the
>  implementation as well?
>
>                                                   /nitro2k01
>
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[TwoTailedFox]

Memory cards could always be sold unformatted.

On 1/11/06, nitro2k01 <nitro2k01(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >   No. Long files
> > names were incorporated into unix systems long before the
> >  days FAT, or even DOS.
> >  This patent (if correct) is linked to FAT only. 
>  Yes of course, but isn't FAT
> pretty much the only file system
>  combining a long ("Test file.txt") and short ("TESTFI~1.TXT") file
>  name for each file?
>  Does the patent cover only the concept of such a file system, or the
>  implementation as well?
>
>                                                   /nitro2k01
>
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[Ge van Geldorp]

>   From: Murphy, Ged (Bolton)
>  
>  nitro2k01 wrote:
>  
> >   I haven't seen the patant documents, but
> > doesn't this mean that any 
> >  file system which stores both long and short file names on the same 
> >  volume would be theoreticlly affected?
> >   
>  
>  No. Long files names were incorporated into unix systems long 
>  before the days FAT, or even DOS.
>  This patent (if correct) is linked to FAT only. 
AFAIK, it is about storing both a long and a short filename for the same
file in the same directory.

GvG

[Oliver Schneider]

>   No. Long files names were incorporated into unix
> systems long before the
>  days FAT, or even DOS. 
But not long AND short file names on one volume - i.e.
DOS-compatible ones
AND Windows/ROS/whatever-compatible ones.

>   If is true, it would effect many things, but I
> can't see Microsoft
>  enforcing it, it would alienate themselves. 
I think they are - especially when it
comes to vendors formatting their
flash cards, smart cards, digital cameras with FAT!

Just my 2 cents ;)

Oliver

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