I've had enough of dealing with the suckiness of rbuild. The time has come for action. Or, missing that, a wiki page:
<URL: http://www.reactos.org/wiki/index.php/Rbuild_sucks%3E
Add your own favourite issue with rbuild. Let's debate the more controversial points in the wiki page's discussion page. We are now in the "whining" phase, so sky's the limit, add any feature you find useful or even just kind of "cool". We will sort them out in the upcoming "procrastinating" phase
I was going to add my own gripes, but KJK appears to have covered everything. I'm therefore replying to this mail to show my support for his thoughts as opposed to adding 'hell yeah', 'damn right' or 'right on' to the end of each topic.
Ged.
-----Original Message----- From: ros-dev-bounces@reactos.org [mailto:ros-dev-bounces@reactos.org] On Behalf Of KJK::Hyperion Sent: 14 May 2008 01:26 To: ReactOS Development List Subject: [ros-dev] Rbuild sucks, let's rew... improve it
I've had enough of dealing with the suckiness of rbuild. The time has come for action. Or, missing that, a wiki page:
<URL: http://www.reactos.org/wiki/index.php/Rbuild_sucks%3E
Add your own favourite issue with rbuild. Let's debate the more controversial points in the wiki page's discussion page. We are now in the "whining" phase, so sky's the limit, add any feature you find useful or even just kind of "cool". We will sort them out in the upcoming "procrastinating" phase _______________________________________________ Ros-dev mailing list Ros-dev@reactos.org http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
I obviously agree too (I don't want to blame anyone though). And certain design ideas outlined in KJK's paper are excellent.
Also, I must say my last emails critique has been heard. Trunk never had so many good fixes and improvements since, I think, the beginning of 2008 year, as it had during this last week. This shows how much is possible to do if most of the development goes into one, good defined direction. There was enough of chaotic movement, it's time to get to the goal now.
I will draft a beta roadmap, and send out an email to discuss it soon.
With the best regards, Aleksey Bragin.
On May 14, 2008, at 1:31 PM, gedmurphy wrote:
I was going to add my own gripes, but KJK appears to have covered everything. I'm therefore replying to this mail to show my support for his thoughts as opposed to adding 'hell yeah', 'damn right' or 'right on' to the end of each topic.
Ged.
Actually I think the hole concept of autogenerating a big make file is messy. Also I don't understand why there are no better make tools around (or if they are why we don't use them). ReactOs can't be the only project that need a good build environment, can it ?
Maarten
On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 1:36 PM, Aleksey Bragin aleksey@reactos.org wrote:
I obviously agree too (I don't want to blame anyone though). And certain design ideas outlined in KJK's paper are excellent.
Also, I must say my last emails critique has been heard. Trunk never had so many good fixes and improvements since, I think, the beginning of 2008 year, as it had during this last week. This shows how much is possible to do if most of the development goes into one, good defined direction. There was enough of chaotic movement, it's time to get to the goal now.
I will draft a beta roadmap, and send out an email to discuss it soon.
With the best regards, Aleksey Bragin.
On May 14, 2008, at 1:31 PM, gedmurphy wrote:
I was going to add my own gripes, but KJK appears to have covered everything. I'm therefore replying to this mail to show my support for his thoughts as opposed to adding 'hell yeah', 'damn right' or 'right on' to the end of each topic.
Ged.
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On Wednesday 14 May 2008 05:08:34 pm Maarten Bosma wrote:
Actually I think the hole concept of autogenerating a big make file is messy. Also I don't understand why there are no better make tools around (or if they are why we don't use them). ReactOs can't be the only project that need a good build environment, can it ?
The Linux Kernel uses a complex system that auto-generates a file that is included into a top-level makefile and contains all the variables needed to tell that makefile which of the lower-level makefiles to actually use.
The problem with this is that MS's "nmake" isn't as smart as classic make programs.
DRH
Maarten
On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 1:36 PM, Aleksey Bragin aleksey@reactos.org wrote:
I obviously agree too (I don't want to blame anyone though). And certain design ideas outlined in KJK's paper are excellent.
Also, I must say my last emails critique has been heard. Trunk never had so many good fixes and improvements since, I think, the beginning of 2008 year, as it had during this last week. This shows how much is possible to do if most of the development goes into one, good defined direction. There was enough of chaotic movement, it's time to get to the goal now.
I will draft a beta roadmap, and send out an email to discuss it soon.
With the best regards, Aleksey Bragin.
On May 14, 2008, at 1:31 PM, gedmurphy wrote:
I was going to add my own gripes, but KJK appears to have covered everything. I'm therefore replying to this mail to show my support for his thoughts as opposed to adding 'hell yeah', 'damn right' or 'right on' to the end of each topic.
Ged.
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