Rbuild sucks, let's rew... improve it

[KJK::Hyperion]

I've had enough of dealing with the suckiness of rbuild. The time has 
come for action. Or, missing that, a wiki page:

<URL: http://www.reactos.org/wiki/index.php/Rbuild_sucks>

Add your own favourite issue with rbuild. Let's debate the more 
controversial points in the wiki page's discussion page. We are now in 
the "whining" phase, so sky's the limit, add any feature you find useful 
or even just kind of "cool". We will sort them out in the upcoming 
"procrastinating" phase

[gedmurphy]

I was going to add my own gripes, but KJK appears to have covered
everything.
I'm therefore replying to this mail to show my support for his thoughts as
opposed to adding 'hell yeah', 'damn right' or 'right on' to the
end of each
topic.

Ged.


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: 14 May 2008 01:26
To: ReactOS Development List
Subject: [ros-dev] Rbuild sucks, let's rew... improve it

I've had enough of dealing with the suckiness of rbuild. The time has 
come for action. Or, missing that, a wiki page:

<URL: http://www.reactos.org/wiki/index.php/Rbuild_sucks>

Add your own favourite issue with rbuild. Let's debate the more 
controversial points in the wiki page's discussion page. We are now in 
the "whining" phase, so sky's the limit, add any feature you find useful 
or even just kind of "cool". We will sort them out in the upcoming 
"procrastinating" phase
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[Aleksey Bragin]

I obviously agree too (I don't want to blame anyone though). And  
certain design ideas outlined in KJK's paper are excellent.

Also, I must say my last emails critique has been heard. Trunk never  
had so many good fixes and improvements since, I think, the beginning  
of 2008 year, as it had during this last week.
This shows how much is possible to do if most of the development goes  
into one, good defined direction. There was enough of chaotic  
movement, it's time to get to the goal now.

I will draft a beta roadmap, and send out an email to discuss it soon.


With the best regards,
Aleksey Bragin.



On May 14, 2008, at 1:31 PM, gedmurphy wrote:

>   I was going to add my own gripes, but KJK appears to
> have covered
>  everything.
>  I'm therefore replying to this mail to show my support for his  
>  thoughts as
>  opposed to adding 'hell yeah', 'damn right' or 'right on' to the 
>
>  end of each
>  topic.
>
>  Ged.

[Maarten Bosma]

Actually I think the hole concept of autogenerating a big make file is
messy. Also I don't understand why there are no better make tools around (or
if they are why we don't use them). ReactOs can't  be the only project that
need a good build environment, can it ?

Maarten

On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 1:36 PM, Aleksey Bragin <aleksey(a)reactos.org> wrote:

>   I obviously agree too (I don't want to blame
> anyone though). And
>  certain design ideas outlined in KJK's paper are excellent.
>
>  Also, I must say my last emails critique has been heard. Trunk never
>  had so many good fixes and improvements since, I think, the beginning
>  of 2008 year, as it had during this last week.
>  This shows how much is possible to do if most of the development goes
>  into one, good defined direction. There was enough of chaotic
>  movement, it's time to get to the goal now.
>
>  I will draft a beta roadmap, and send out an email to discuss it soon.
>
>
>  With the best regards,
>  Aleksey Bragin.
>
>
>
>  On May 14, 2008, at 1:31 PM, gedmurphy wrote:
>
> >   I was going to add my own gripes, but KJK appears
> > to have covered
> >  everything.
> >  I'm therefore replying to this mail to show my support for his
> >  thoughts as
> >  opposed to adding 'hell yeah', 'damn right' or 'right on' to the
> >  end of each
> >  topic.
> >
> >  Ged. 
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>

[me]

On Wednesday 14 May 2008 05:08:34 pm Maarten Bosma wrote:
>   Actually I think the hole concept of autogenerating a
> big make file is
>  messy. Also I don't understand why there are no better make tools around
>  (or if they are why we don't use them). ReactOs can't  be the only project
>  that need a good build environment, can it ? 
The Linux Kernel uses a complex system that auto-generates a file that is 
included into a top-level makefile and contains all the variables needed to 
tell  that makefile which of the lower-level makefiles to actually use.

The problem with this is that MS's "nmake" isn't as smart as classic
make 
programs.

DRH

>   Maarten
>
>  On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 1:36 PM, Aleksey Bragin <aleksey(a)reactos.org> wrote:
>  > I obviously agree too (I don't want to blame anyone though). And
>  > certain design ideas outlined in KJK's paper are excellent.
>  >
>  > Also, I must say my last emails critique has been heard. Trunk never
>  > had so many good fixes and improvements since, I think, the beginning
>  > of 2008 year, as it had during this last week.
>  > This shows how much is possible to do if most of the development goes
>  > into one, good defined direction. There was enough of chaotic
>  > movement, it's time to get to the goal now.
>  >
>  > I will draft a beta roadmap, and send out an email to discuss it soon.
>  >
>  >
>  > With the best regards,
>  > Aleksey Bragin.
>  >
>  > On May 14, 2008, at 1:31 PM, gedmurphy wrote:
>  > > I was going to add my own gripes, but KJK appears to have covered
>  > > everything.
>  > > I'm therefore replying to this mail to show my support for his
>  > > thoughts as
>  > > opposed to adding 'hell yeah', 'damn right' or 'right
> on' to the
>  > > end of each
>  > > topic.
>  > >
>  > > Ged.
>  >
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