RE: [ros-cvs] CVS Update: rosapps

[Casper Hornstrup]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [e-mail] 
> [mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of Emanuele Aliberti
> Sent: 1. december 2004 15:00
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: [ros-cvs] CVS Update: rosapps
>
> CVSROOT:	/CVS/ReactOS
> Module name:	rosapps
> Repository:	rosapps/calc/
> Changes by:	[e-mail]	04/12/01 14:59:52
>
> Added files:
>    rosapps/calc/: .cvsignore
>
> Log message:

Is it a CVS trick?

Casper

[Aliberti Emanuele]

Casper Hornstrup wrote:
> > Repository:	rosapps/calc/
> > Changes by:	[e-mail]	04/12/01 14:59:52
> >
> > Added files:
> >    rosapps/calc/: .cvsignore
> >
> > Log message:
>
> Is it a CVS trick?

I don't know. Updating I had no .cvsignore in those directories. 
TortoiseCVS 1.8.3 did not complain about adding it, but when I committed 
I did not get version 1.1.

Emanuele

[Casper Hornstrup]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [e-mail] 
> [mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of Aliberti Emanuele
> Sent: 2. december 2004 00:12
> To: ReactOS Development List
> Subject: Re: [ros-dev] RE: [ros-cvs] CVS Update: rosapps
>
> Casper Hornstrup wrote:
> > > Repository:	rosapps/calc/
> > > Changes by:	[e-mail]	04/12/01 14:59:52
> > >
> > > Added files:
> > >    rosapps/calc/: .cvsignore
> > >
> > > Log message:
> >
> > Is it a CVS trick?
>
> I don't know. Updating I had no .cvsignore in those directories. 
> TortoiseCVS 1.8.3 did not complain about adding it, but when 
> I committed I did not get version 1.1.
>
> Emanuele

They should be deleted. If not, then I've made a mistake.
Did you prune empty directories?

Casper

[Thomas Larsen]

Hi Guys lots of talk about ekubush
and their cloning of your project but seems to me that u
allso clone some (very much) stuff from from both Windows 2000 and Windows NT 4.0
Scsiport.sys and alot of shell32 code and NTOSKRNL.exe are taking direct out of Windows Code seems
to
be to a good base idea to maybe get some idea about the internal stuff
in both Directx and Ddraw.dll and the hardcoded stuff works but Microsoft
will close the Project if anyone from their department finds out.
the opdates in the last past has just been want microsoft Does
find some mistakes where i look a the xx and the same
mistakes microsoft did is about something like

void
Somefunction(LPWSTR SomeString)
{
 return NT(LPWSTR SomeString); where it should LPSTR..
}

And guys i wanna make a better Reactos Not the same shit microsoft do...
hope you will to now maybe i should go for myself now.... and make a new Windows Project..

And if you do clone Windows Code please do it a littel better than that

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[Thomas Weidenmueller]

Thomas Larsen wrote:
> Hi Guys lots of talk about ekubush
> and their cloning of your project but seems to me that u
> allso clone some (very much) stuff from from both Windows 2000 and Windows NT 4.0
> Scsiport.sys and alot of shell32 code and NTOSKRNL.exe are taking direct out of Windows Code seems
> to
> be to a good base idea to maybe get some idea about the internal stuff
> in both Directx and Ddraw.dll and the hardcoded stuff works but Microsoft
> will close the Project if anyone from their department finds out.

we do NOT use leaked microsoft source codes at all, not even looking at 
them or posessing them... If you work a while with certain APIs you get 
to understand how things under the hood have to work, so very often it's 
not even necessary to do reverse-engineering.
> the opdates in the last past has just been want microsoft Does
> find some mistakes where i look a the xx and the same
> mistakes microsoft did is about something like
>
> void
> Somefunction(LPWSTR SomeString)
> {
> return NT(LPWSTR SomeString); where it should LPSTR..
> }

I think i understood what you were saying, however that can't happen 
because we don't have their sources and so we can't "accidently" copy 
such mistakes. What doesn't mean we don't do mistakes, we've got lot's 
of wrong/buggy code, that's why ROS is that unstable ;)
> And guys i wanna make a better Reactos Not the same shit microsoft do...
> hope you will to now maybe i should go for myself now.... and make a new Windows Project..

their software is far better than you might think. If it was shit, it'd 
crash all the time, something that i rarely experienced, but it wasn't 
even M$'s fault at all...
> And if you do clone Windows Code please do it a littel better than that

again, we don't clone the windows code. We don't even really "clone" 
windows, we just create a compatible operating system. The internals 
often are totally different but they still archive the same goals.

Thomas

[Ge van Geldorp]

> From: Thomas Larsen
>
> Hi Guys lots of talk about ekubush
> and their cloning of your project but seems to me that u
> allso clone some (very much) stuff from from both Windows 
> 2000 and Windows NT 4.0 Scsiport.sys and alot of shell32 code 
> and NTOSKRNL.exe are taking direct out of Windows Code

Why do you think a lot of code in scsiport.sys, shell32.dll and ntoskrnl.exe
were copied from Windows? Although I didn't personally write all the code in
the components you mention, I'm confident that it wasn't copied from Windows
but written from scratch. BTW, most of the shell32 code was copied from
Wine, so if you accuse us of copyright infringement you're also accusing
Wine of copyright infringement.
> seems 
> to be to a good base idea to maybe get some idea about the 
> internal stuff in both Directx and Ddraw.dll and the 
> hardcoded stuff works but Microsoft will close the Project if 
> anyone from their department finds out. the opdates in the 
> last past has just been want microsoft

Sorry, no clue what you mean here.
> Does find some 
> mistakes where i look a the xx and the same mistakes 
> microsoft did is about something like
>
> void
> Somefunction(LPWSTR SomeString)
> {
>  return NT(LPWSTR SomeString); where it should LPSTR..
> }

Please provide specific references, examples of exactly which functions you
claim were copied from Windows.
> And guys i wanna make a better Reactos Not the same shit 
> microsoft do... hope you will to now maybe i should go for 
> myself now.... and make a new Windows Project..
>
> And if you do clone Windows Code please do it a littel better 
> than that

If you can backup your claims with proof, please show us the proof. If you
can't show any proof, please go back to working for SCO.

Ge van Geldorp.

[Thomas Weidenmueller]

Ge van Geldorp wrote:
> If you can backup your claims with proof, please show us the proof. If you
> can't show any proof, please go back to working for SCO.

If SCO had such employees I doubt they would've been able to settle some 
trials at all ;)

Anyway, showing proof might be a bad idea - showing proof would mean 
that we'd get to see windows code...

Best Regards,

Thomas

[Thomas Larsen]

Sry for your reactions seems just to me theire where much identical code in the last past
im not gona list any microsoft code but know its correct that the new code in the last past
seems very ident to microsoft and my hope where just that you dident use the leaked code

Cuz think Reactos OS is a great Product and i may not be clear enough but just hopede that
some day Reactos will be better than windows cuz microsoft seems more and more to be busy about
their money offfice pack than give use users a better windows and to give all developers littel a
big ones a better platform where they can develop apps and games...

Just My...

Thomas

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[Casper Hornstrup]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [e-mail] 
> [mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of Thomas Larsen
> Sent: 3. december 2004 13:25
> To: ReactOS Development List
> Subject: Re: [ros-dev] Maybe Its All About Nothing
>
> Sry for your reactions seems just to me theire where much 
> identical code in the last past im not gona list any 
> microsoft code but know its correct that the new code in the 
> last past seems very ident to microsoft and my hope where 
> just that you dident use the leaked code

Do you have access to Windows sourcecode? If not, then how do you
know if some parts are identical to ReactOS sourcecode?
> Cuz think Reactos OS is a great Product and i may not be 
> clear enough but just hopede that some day Reactos will be 
> better than windows cuz microsoft seems more and more to be 
> busy about their money offfice pack than give use users a 
> better windows and to give all developers littel a big ones a 
> better platform where they can develop apps and games...
>
> Just My...
>
> Thomas

Have you ever told Microsoft how they could make their software
better? Also remember that what makes Windows better for you may
make Windows worse for other customers. You can't have it all
everytime.

Casper

[KJK::Hyperion]

At 13.24 03/12/2004, you wrote:
> Sry for your reactions seems just to me theire where much identical code 
> in the last past im not gona list any microsoft code but know its correct 
> that the new code in the last past seems very ident to microsoft and my 
> hope where just that you dident use the leaked code

shoo, troll, at least *fabricate* some convincing evidence, shoo! bring 
your vapor elsewhere, we have a world to conquer here

[Alex Ionescu]

Guys,

The last thing we want is this guy posting MS Source Code listings on 
the ML. No offense, but have you gone crazy?

Best regards,
Alex Ionesuc

[Richard Campbell]

<snip>
> shoo, troll, at least *fabricate* some convincing evidence, shoo! 
> bring your vapor elsewhere, we have a world to conquer here

</snip>
EXXXACTLY! :)

BTW, i seriously doubt someone who can't even form proper sentences has 
access to the windows source code.  Oh and, i've been following this 
project for a LOONG time...i've seen scsiprt.sys built up from scratch, 
piece by piece, so i know at least THAT part of his statement is hogwash.

[Rick Langschultz]

In response to Thomas Larson,

I think that ReactOS's goal is to recreate what Microsoft tried to
monopolize. If anyone had access to pure Microsoft Windows Code they
wouldn't be working with the ReactOS people, they would trying to work
up there own project. And Besides most of the people here are
experienced programmers, that know what they are doing. Of course there
will be substantial differences between Microsoft's Operating Systems
and ReactOS Operating Systems. The only thing I am concerned with is
people trying to do posts to the Mailing Lists like that because they
are monitiored by MS. I Bet you they are. I even get emails from my
Cox.com people thinking I have the code being transferred to my computer
from time to time. But Microsoft, especially little old Billy boy has
his hands down cox's pants, if you know what I mean. So that is just a
marketing ploy. And When ReactOS decides to do different version of it's
OS they will rewrite and test and rewrite until it is to the way that
they want it. So please don't post highly disputable posts to a mailing
list especially if you or anyone else claims to have seen such MS code,
btw, the code is only a small portion and is not 100% complete!!!!

[Thomas Weidenmueller]

Rick Langschultz wrote:
> In response to Thomas Larson,
>
> I think that ReactOS's goal is to recreate what Microsoft tried to
> monopolize. If anyone had access to pure Microsoft Windows Code they
> wouldn't be working with the ReactOS people, they would trying to work
> up there own project. And Besides most of the people here are
> experienced programmers, that know what they are doing. Of course there
> will be substantial differences between Microsoft's Operating Systems
> and ReactOS Operating Systems. The only thing I am concerned with is
> people trying to do posts to the Mailing Lists like that because they
> are monitiored by MS. I Bet you they are. I even get emails from my
> Cox.com people thinking I have the code being transferred to my computer
> from time to time. But Microsoft, especially little old Billy boy has
> his hands down cox's pants, if you know what I mean. So that is just a
> marketing ploy. And When ReactOS decides to do different version of it's
> OS they will rewrite and test and rewrite until it is to the way that
> they want it. So please don't post highly disputable posts to a mailing
> list especially if you or anyone else claims to have seen such MS code,
> btw, the code is only a small portion and is not 100% complete!!!!

You're weird...are you talking about something at all?

Thomas

[Thomas Larsen]

I where just telling
you something (I belived where a help)
to help u all ppl seems to be wrong in posting this
u ppl can take it as you want

In react to Something about microsoft:
1 Think they made some good products but they have a monopol i don�t like
2 They send products out their get patches the day after.
3 The same mistakes are in their next versions (Internet Explorer u name it)
4 The Steel Novell code (Server, Client etc.) themself (Just ask novell about that).
5 They use special calls in apps themself do not document hidden switches and function call
  that could make 3 Part Vendor Apps more reliable
7 ONLY the big Companys like intel are getting more into Windows and get a great advantage in that
8 They force ppl to use newer OS if u wan�t to use Newer hardware software etc. if you like spend
money all the time pls tell me not all of us use pirat versions
9 They made the live hard for MAC back in time littel Bill may have stealed something..

I got the right in don�t likeing Windows don�t come and say crape
like I SHOULD complain/request functions it is not a fancy button or that kind
of stuff i wan�t.... i just wan�t things to work the first time not of the need of
10 Service Packs 1000 Patches (Patches should be a thing that improve not correct at least when it
is a release version but not say things can go wrong it just seems to be a long long list of wrong
things).

That where the last in this case from my side hope just now that we can forget this case
and do the thing every one of us want make ReactOs Better..

SRY ABOUT SPEEL MISTAKES IN THIS LETTER
WE CAN`T ALL BE NATIVE ENGLISH MEN

Thomas Larsen (The One From Denmark).

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[Damian Dimmich]

No offence, I am not a native myself, yet there are these things called 
spelling checkers... There is no excuse for spelling mistakes.  Sorry.
d

On Friday 03 December 2004 18:36, Thomas Larsen wrote:
> I where just telling
> you something (I belived where a help)
> to help u all ppl seems to be wrong in posting this
> u ppl can take it as you want
>
> In react to Something about microsoft:
> 1 Think they made some good products but they have a monopol i don´t like
> 2 They send products out their get patches the day after.
> 3 The same mistakes are in their next versions (Internet Explorer u name
> it) 4 The Steel Novell code (Server, Client etc.) themself (Just ask novell
> about that). 5 They use special calls in apps themself do not document
> hidden switches and function call that could make 3 Part Vendor Apps more
> reliable
> 7 ONLY the big Companys like intel are getting more into Windows and get a
> great advantage in that 8 They force ppl to use newer OS if u wan´t to use
> Newer hardware software etc. if you like spend money all the time pls tell
> me not all of us use pirat versions
> 9 They made the live hard for MAC back in time littel Bill may have stealed
> something..
>
> I got the right in don´t likeing Windows don´t come and say crape
> like I SHOULD complain/request functions it is not a fancy button or that
> kind of stuff i wan´t.... i just wan´t things to work the first time not of
> the need of 10 Service Packs 1000 Patches (Patches should be a thing that
> improve not correct at least when it is a release version but not say
> things can go wrong it just seems to be a long long list of wrong things).
>
> That where the last in this case from my side hope just now that we can
> forget this case and do the thing every one of us want make ReactOs
> Better..
>
> SRY ABOUT SPEEL MISTAKES IN THIS LETTER
> WE CAN`T ALL BE NATIVE ENGLISH MEN
>
> Thomas Larsen (The One From Denmark).
>
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[Mike Swanson]

ReactOS does not steal any of Microsoft's code. In fact, having the
leaked Windows source code is as bad as looking at it... and the
developers cannot have them or they cannot work on ReactOS. The same
discussion occurred with FreeDOS about the leaked MS-DOS sources.

There may be areas where ReactOS will strugle in the same places that
Windows NT did or is currently. However, this will not be because of
code stealing. If we wanted a better, yet compatibile, operating
system than Windows NT, why would we steal the leaked code? That
wouldn't make sense.

I'm not a native English person, yet I can speak and type fluent
English. It's not that hard.

[Richard Campbell]

Yeah, but you accuse ROS of 'stealing' source code from microsoft, which 
i know first hand is FALSE.  I've been with the project since 0.00.12 or 
0.00.13 or something like that (read: a LONG time).  I was the one who 
wrote most of the original windowing code (jason filby and others got us 
a basic hello world window, but i gave it the modern win32 look, 
implemented several needed user32 functions, etc.).  I KNOW for a fact 
that none of our code is stolen.  For you to make such false accusations...

Richard

Thomas Larsen wrote:
> I where just telling
> you something (I belived where a help)
> to help u all ppl seems to be wrong in posting this
> u ppl can take it as you want
>
> In react to Something about microsoft:
> 1 Think they made some good products but they have a monopol i don´t like
> 2 They send products out their get patches the day after.
> 3 The same mistakes are in their next versions (Internet Explorer u name it)
> 4 The Steel Novell code (Server, Client etc.) themself (Just ask novell about that).
> 5 They use special calls in apps themself do not document hidden switches and function call
>  that could make 3 Part Vendor Apps more reliable
> 7 ONLY the big Companys like intel are getting more into Windows and get a great advantage in that
> 8 They force ppl to use newer OS if u wan´t to use Newer hardware software etc. if you like spend
> money all the time pls tell me not all of us use pirat versions
> 9 They made the live hard for MAC back in time littel Bill may have stealed something..
>
> I got the right in don´t likeing Windows don´t come and say crape
> like I SHOULD complain/request functions it is not a fancy button or that kind
> of stuff i wan´t.... i just wan´t things to work the first time not of the need of
> 10 Service Packs 1000 Patches (Patches should be a thing that improve not correct at least when it
> is a release version but not say things can go wrong it just seems to be a long long list of wrong
> things).
>
> That where the last in this case from my side hope just now that we can forget this case
> and do the thing every one of us want make ReactOs Better..
>
> SRY ABOUT SPEEL MISTAKES IN THIS LETTER
> WE CAN`T ALL BE NATIVE ENGLISH MEN
>
> Thomas Larsen (The One From Denmark).
>
> __________________________________ 
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[Thomas Larsen]

Hi Guys lots of talk about ekubush
and their cloning of your project but seems to me that u
allso clone some (very much) stuff from from both Windows 2000 and Windows NT 4.0
Scsiport.sys and alot of shell32 code and NTOSKRNL.exe are taking direct out of Windows Code seems
to
be to a good base idea to maybe get some idea about the internal stuff
in both Directx and Ddraw.dll and the hardcoded stuff works but Microsoft
will close the Project if anyone from their department finds out.
the opdates in the last past has just been want microsoft Does
find some mistakes where i look a the xx and the same
mistakes microsoft did is about something like

void
Somefunction(LPWSTR SomeString)
{
 return NT(LPWSTR SomeString); where it should LPSTR..
}

And guys i wanna make a better Reactos Not the same shit microsoft do...
hope you will to now maybe i should go for myself now.... and make a new Windows Project..

And if you do clone Windows Code please do it a littel better than that

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[Thomas Weidenmueller]

Thomas Larsen wrote:
> but seems to me that u
> allso clone some (very much) stuff from from both Windows 2000 and Windows NT 4.0
> Scsiport.sys and alot of shell32 code and NTOSKRNL.exe are taking direct out of Windows Code

I don't think that's true. First of all, shell32 comes from the WINE 
team, who have been working on it for years, gradually improving it over 
the time, although there's still so much missing. Same is with our 
ntoskrnl. Things have been improved dozens of times, introduced new 
bugs, fixed old bugs, ... I don't know about scsiport but since driver 
interfaces and hardware are settled, it's propably hard to create one 
that is completely different.
> the opdates in the last past has just been want microsoft Does
> find some mistakes where i look a the xx and the same
> mistakes microsoft did is about something like
>
> void
> Somefunction(LPWSTR SomeString)
> {
> return NT(LPWSTR SomeString); where it should LPSTR..
> }

I don't know what you're referring to, but if it comes to Nt stubs, 
there's various of documentations on the web and books that describe the 
parameter names, some of their internals, .... if not, some things can 
easily be guessed if you're used tto the native apis (and propably their 
naming convention(s)), sometimes things are just quite obvious. As for 
me, I often write little test application to discover how functions work 
when passing certain parameters to them.
> And if you do clone Windows Code please do it a littel better than that

We don't clone windows code (at least i don't hope we do) - for some 
things there's not so much freedom of how they can be implemented in 
order to archive compatibility, other things (e.g. user32/gdi32/win32k) 
only need to provide compatible interfaces and behavior. So I think 
we're rather creating a compatible operating system than a clone.

Sorry, due to a reason post I had to pick this one up again.

Best Regards,
Thomas

[Aliberti Emanuele]

Casper Hornstrup wrote:
> > I don't know. Updating I had no .cvsignore in those directories. 
> > TortoiseCVS 1.8.3 did not complain about adding it, but when 
> > I committed I did not get version 1.1.
> >
> > Emanuele
>
> They should be deleted. If not, then I've made a mistake.
> Did you prune empty directories?

I run CVS (Tortoise) with these parameters (I never took care of it, 
until you asked):

"D:\App\TortoiseCVS\cvs.exe" "-q" "update" "-d" "-P" "."

It prunes (-P) empty directories, unless it is a bugged release (I'll 
check it).