Regarding moderator status in the Forums.

[Daniel Reimer]

Hi,

as already said in the #reactos-dev IRC Chat yesterday I, too, think Z98 
is right 
(http://reactos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=7634&start=75#p67090)#p67090), 
this is not how a real mod has to behave. But this criticism counts for 
him, me and all others in the privileged teams IMO! I know that some of 
my behavior is more childish than anything else you could call useful 
and professional, but I ask you, what ways to tidy the forums up, do I 
have, except gallows humor and sarcasm? Lets explain what evilness I did 
this time again. Every day on my way to university I sit in the train, 
start Opera Mini on my Mobile and run through the forums to do my job 
and in recent times more an more posts with harmful and destructive 
meaning occur. Most are from our well known troll-friend nute, but there 
are other flaws right now, too. For example the newly registered 
members, who write one post with SPAM in their signature and hope that 
noone of the Mods recognizes it, but this is another story. OK, back to 
the main story. I looked trough his "When will Version 0.3.blablubb 
finally be done you lame, useless dumbasses of so called Devs"-post, 
which I already moved to Off Topic because his unintentional negative 
influence does not belong to the General Forums IMO. Well, I know the 
very last warning spoken by Z98 against me in the very same Thread and 
realized that the same behavior he accused from both sides reoccurs 
after just two days. Flaming and Bashing from both sides again... Well, 
I lock topics and get bashed, I warn ppl and get bashed, I rename a 
thread which has nothing to do with any Version 0.4.11 talk and more is 
meant as a battleaxe against the forum and the project and get bashed 
too, so I decided to do nothing except a good amount of sarcasm and 
properly renamed the Thread to "nute's private playground" which it was 
anyway at that time. Well, I had nothing to loose. All my steps would 
have resulted in bashing anyway, so I chose the funniest path. Some 
subjects in the forums play with us and noone cares. They spread crap 
about us, which could even harm our image and noone cares! And if I dare 
to try to sentence disciplinary actions, I get kicked from above. Well, 
why should I behave like a real mod pretending to be one? I have lost 
all power over the forums, because our own hierarchy fights against me. 
I have as much power in there like all others users, because most of my 
steps and actions are being reverted or openly criticised anyway. God 
its fucking frustrating to have no ways to moderate the forum at all, 
but being called mod! If we do not finally start to spread some 
authority in the forums and stop to always see the good person in such 
harmful subjects without the minimum of aggression needed to be a Mod 
IMO or giving mods like me ways to do their job without anyone always 
falling in their back, we can close down the forums immediately anyway. 
Psychotic trolls like nute and more than enough others need limits, 
otherwise they dance on our nose as they do right now and a hierarchical 
system which fights itself is no way to get this done. It did not work 
in the Weimarer Republik and won't work for us, too.

OK this had to be said, now kick me, degrade me, whatever you think is 
best, but please finally do it once and for all, please. Only the best 
for Project counts! I don't care what happens to me as long as we get 
this problem solved. With or without me as mod. Have fun.

Daniel "dreimer" Reimer

(still for some last seconds) ReactOS Forum Moderator Team Member
ReactOS Build Environment for Windows Coordinator

[chris harney]

I know its none of my business but why isn't nute banned for the ReactOS 
forums? ( or from the whole bloody planet! lol )
he adds nothing to the forums or the ReactOS project.
betaluva
------------------------------------------------------



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Daniel Reimer" <daniel.reimer(a)stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de>
To: "ReactOS Development List" <ros-dev(a)reactos.org>
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 1:02 PM
Subject: [ros-dev] Regarding moderator status in the Forums.


>   Hi,
>
>  as already said in the #reactos-dev IRC Chat yesterday I, too, think Z98
>  is right
>  (http://reactos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=7634&start=75#p67090)#p67090),
>  this is not how a real mod has to behave. But this criticism counts for
>  him, me and all others in the privileged teams IMO! I know that some of
>  my behavior is more childish than anything else you could call useful
>  and professional, but I ask you, what ways to tidy the forums up, do I
>  have, except gallows humor and sarcasm? Lets explain what evilness I did
>  this time again. Every day on my way to university I sit in the train,
>  start Opera Mini on my Mobile and run through the forums to do my job
>  and in recent times more an more posts with harmful and destructive
>  meaning occur. Most are from our well known troll-friend nute, but there
>  are other flaws right now, too. For example the newly registered
>  members, who write one post with SPAM in their signature and hope that
>  noone of the Mods recognizes it, but this is another story. OK, back to
>  the main story. I looked trough his "When will Version 0.3.blablubb
>  finally be done you lame, useless dumbasses of so called Devs"-post,
>  which I already moved to Off Topic because his unintentional negative
>  influence does not belong to the General Forums IMO. Well, I know the
>  very last warning spoken by Z98 against me in the very same Thread and
>  realized that the same behavior he accused from both sides reoccurs
>  after just two days. Flaming and Bashing from both sides again... Well,
>  I lock topics and get bashed, I warn ppl and get bashed, I rename a
>  thread which has nothing to do with any Version 0.4.11 talk and more is
>  meant as a battleaxe against the forum and the project and get bashed
>  too, so I decided to do nothing except a good amount of sarcasm and
>  properly renamed the Thread to "nute's private playground" which it was
>  anyway at that time. Well, I had nothing to loose. All my steps would
>  have resulted in bashing anyway, so I chose the funniest path. Some
>  subjects in the forums play with us and noone cares. They spread crap
>  about us, which could even harm our image and noone cares! And if I dare
>  to try to sentence disciplinary actions, I get kicked from above. Well,
>  why should I behave like a real mod pretending to be one? I have lost
>  all power over the forums, because our own hierarchy fights against me.
>  I have as much power in there like all others users, because most of my
>  steps and actions are being reverted or openly criticised anyway. God
>  its fucking frustrating to have no ways to moderate the forum at all,
>  but being called mod! If we do not finally start to spread some
>  authority in the forums and stop to always see the good person in such
>  harmful subjects without the minimum of aggression needed to be a Mod
>  IMO or giving mods like me ways to do their job without anyone always
>  falling in their back, we can close down the forums immediately anyway.
>  Psychotic trolls like nute and more than enough others need limits,
>  otherwise they dance on our nose as they do right now and a hierarchical
>  system which fights itself is no way to get this done. It did not work
>  in the Weimarer Republik and won't work for us, too.
>
>  OK this had to be said, now kick me, degrade me, whatever you think is
>  best, but please finally do it once and for all, please. Only the best
>  for Project counts! I don't care what happens to me as long as we get
>  this problem solved. With or without me as mod. Have fun.
>
>  Daniel "dreimer" Reimer
>
>  (still for some last seconds) ReactOS Forum Moderator Team Member
>  ReactOS Build Environment for Windows Coordinator
>
>  _______________________________________________
>  Ros-dev mailing list
>  Ros-dev(a)reactos.org
>  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev

[Zachary Gorden]

Two reasons.  The first was problems with our CMS and hosting system that
made banning impossible.  That's now been resolved, so we will be handing
out bans in the future.  The other is nute, while managing to piss off a lot
of people, is not guilty of intentional malice.  Incredibly bad judgment
when it comes to dealing with people, yes, but I was highly reluctant to set
a precedent of banning someone for that.  We have in the past used other
methods to slap down people, but nute's actually never done anything that
would allow us to use those methods to get him to behave short of a complete
ban.  That policy is currently undergoing some rethinking, but I've been too
busy this past week to finish the discussion with Aleksey and the other
developers.  Ged has also been working out a more formalized system for
deciding whether to give someone the boot, and that will hopefully present
an actual punishment that moderators can use.  But again, real life time
pressures means I really haven't had the opportunity to get everything
through to the satisfaction of the rest of the devs.  Hopefully that will
change by the coming weekend.  Anyway, this really should be in the -web ML.

Z98

On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 9:27 PM, chris harney <christopher57(a)optusnet.com.au
>   wrote: 
>   I know its none of my business but why isn't nute
> banned for the ReactOS
>  forums? ( or from the whole bloody planet! lol )
>  he adds nothing to the forums or the ReactOS project.
>  betaluva
>  ------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: "Daniel Reimer" <daniel.reimer(a)stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de>
>  To: "ReactOS Development List" <ros-dev(a)reactos.org>
>  Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 1:02 PM
>  Subject: [ros-dev] Regarding moderator status in the Forums.
>
>
> >   Hi,
> >
> >  as already said in the #reactos-dev IRC Chat yesterday I, too, think Z98
> >  is right
> >  (http://reactos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=7634&start=75#p67090)#p67090),
> >  this is not how a real mod has to behave. But this criticism counts for
> >  him, me and all others in the privileged teams IMO! I know that some of
> >  my behavior is more childish than anything else you could call useful
> >  and professional, but I ask you, what ways to tidy the forums up, do I
> >  have, except gallows humor and sarcasm? Lets explain what evilness I did
> >  this time again. Every day on my way to university I sit in the train,
> >  start Opera Mini on my Mobile and run through the forums to do my job
> >  and in recent times more an more posts with harmful and destructive
> >  meaning occur. Most are from our well known troll-friend nute, but there
> >  are other flaws right now, too. For example the newly registered
> >  members, who write one post with SPAM in their signature and hope that
> >  noone of the Mods recognizes it, but this is another story. OK, back to
> >  the main story. I looked trough his "When will Version 0.3.blablubb
> >  finally be done you lame, useless dumbasses of so called Devs"-post,
> >  which I already moved to Off Topic because his unintentional negative
> >  influence does not belong to the General Forums IMO. Well, I know the
> >  very last warning spoken by Z98 against me in the very same Thread and
> >  realized that the same behavior he accused from both sides reoccurs
> >  after just two days. Flaming and Bashing from both sides again... Well,
> >  I lock topics and get bashed, I warn ppl and get bashed, I rename a
> >  thread which has nothing to do with any Version 0.4.11 talk and more is
> >  meant as a battleaxe against the forum and the project and get bashed
> >  too, so I decided to do nothing except a good amount of sarcasm and
> >  properly renamed the Thread to "nute's private playground" which it was
> >  anyway at that time. Well, I had nothing to loose. All my steps would
> >  have resulted in bashing anyway, so I chose the funniest path. Some
> >  subjects in the forums play with us and noone cares. They spread crap
> >  about us, which could even harm our image and noone cares! And if I dare
> >  to try to sentence disciplinary actions, I get kicked from above. Well,
> >  why should I behave like a real mod pretending to be one? I have lost
> >  all power over the forums, because our own hierarchy fights against me.
> >  I have as much power in there like all others users, because most of my
> >  steps and actions are being reverted or openly criticised anyway. God
> >  its fucking frustrating to have no ways to moderate the forum at all,
> >  but being called mod! If we do not finally start to spread some
> >  authority in the forums and stop to always see the good person in such
> >  harmful subjects without the minimum of aggression needed to be a Mod
> >  IMO or giving mods like me ways to do their job without anyone always
> >  falling in their back, we can close down the forums immediately anyway.
> >  Psychotic trolls like nute and more than enough others need limits,
> >  otherwise they dance on our nose as they do right now and a hierarchical
> >  system which fights itself is no way to get this done. It did not work
> >  in the Weimarer Republik and won't work for us, too.
> >
> >  OK this had to be said, now kick me, degrade me, whatever you think is
> >  best, but please finally do it once and for all, please. Only the best
> >  for Project counts! I don't care what happens to me as long as we get
> >  this problem solved. With or without me as mod. Have fun.
> >
> >  Daniel "dreimer" Reimer
> >
> >  (still for some last seconds) ReactOS Forum Moderator Team Member
> >  ReactOS Build Environment for Windows Coordinator
> >
> >  _______________________________________________
> >  Ros-dev mailing list
> >  Ros-dev(a)reactos.org
> >  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev 
>
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>

[victor martinez]

Hi,

The work of a moderator inside ReactOS Forum is to try to avoid confrontations and trying
to not cause flamewars.Of course this is quite difficult as moderators are real persons
which also are involved in ReactOS development, so any criticism is taken from a more
personal point of view. Nute seems to be a "special" person in the forum (as z98
has stated too), inside any forum you will find a lot of these "special people"
so patience is wellcome.
Renaming the thread to "Nute´s playground" maybe was trying to be funny, but it
goes against the first sentence in this Mail,"Avoiding confrontations",and
heating the thread.From my pov Moderators should try to give the less opinions as
possible, since Moderators&Developers opinions are quite representative of ReactOS
project or maybe not(since opinions are like asses and eveyone has one)but external people
links those opinions to ReactOS project itself.IF nute says "Someone is a Jerk"
then the answer moderator would be: "You are violating Forum rule #3: "Rispect
for the Users and their opinions".Edit or you will be banned. Next violation insite
this thread will lead to a Lock".That´s not an opinion just a fact. A Moderator is a
God, and Gods usually doesnt talk with normal people(at least never with me),and much less
they dont go into any "Forum" fight.
Maybe moderators should have 2 different users: one the "Moderator user" which
just appears to warn and in fights time. And another "Normal User" that could be
used to give his own opinion without the Moderator opinion-limitations, but of course both
under the limitations of the Forum rules.

:)

 		 	   		  
_________________________________________________________________
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[Ged Murphy]

Maybe you just aren't cut out to be a forum moderator and it's time to hang
up the gloves?
People can't be good at everything and should stick to what they excel in
and leave anything they don't.

For example, I will continue to drink beer with the lads on a Saturday and
refrain from going shopping with the g/f :)

Ged.


-----Original Message-----
From: ros-dev-bounces(a)reactos.org [mailto:[e-mail]] On
Behalf Of Daniel Reimer
Sent: 23 November 2009 03:03
To: ReactOS Development List
Subject: [ros-dev] Regarding moderator status in the Forums.

Hi,

as already said in the #reactos-dev IRC Chat yesterday I, too, think Z98 
is right 
(http://reactos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=7634&start=75#p67090)#p67090), 
this is not how a real mod has to behave. But this criticism counts for 
him, me and all others in the privileged teams IMO! I know that some of 
my behavior is more childish than anything else you could call useful 
and professional, but I ask you, what ways to tidy the forums up, do I 
have, except gallows humor and sarcasm? Lets explain what evilness I did 
this time again. Every day on my way to university I sit in the train, 
start Opera Mini on my Mobile and run through the forums to do my job 
and in recent times more an more posts with harmful and destructive 
meaning occur. Most are from our well known troll-friend nute, but there 
are other flaws right now, too. For example the newly registered 
members, who write one post with SPAM in their signature and hope that 
noone of the Mods recognizes it, but this is another story. OK, back to 
the main story. I looked trough his "When will Version 0.3.blablubb 
finally be done you lame, useless dumbasses of so called Devs"-post, 
which I already moved to Off Topic because his unintentional negative 
influence does not belong to the General Forums IMO. Well, I know the 
very last warning spoken by Z98 against me in the very same Thread and 
realized that the same behavior he accused from both sides reoccurs 
after just two days. Flaming and Bashing from both sides again... Well, 
I lock topics and get bashed, I warn ppl and get bashed, I rename a 
thread which has nothing to do with any Version 0.4.11 talk and more is 
meant as a battleaxe against the forum and the project and get bashed 
too, so I decided to do nothing except a good amount of sarcasm and 
properly renamed the Thread to "nute's private playground" which it was 
anyway at that time. Well, I had nothing to loose. All my steps would 
have resulted in bashing anyway, so I chose the funniest path. Some 
subjects in the forums play with us and noone cares. They spread crap 
about us, which could even harm our image and noone cares! And if I dare 
to try to sentence disciplinary actions, I get kicked from above. Well, 
why should I behave like a real mod pretending to be one? I have lost 
all power over the forums, because our own hierarchy fights against me. 
I have as much power in there like all others users, because most of my 
steps and actions are being reverted or openly criticised anyway. God 
its fucking frustrating to have no ways to moderate the forum at all, 
but being called mod! If we do not finally start to spread some 
authority in the forums and stop to always see the good person in such 
harmful subjects without the minimum of aggression needed to be a Mod 
IMO or giving mods like me ways to do their job without anyone always 
falling in their back, we can close down the forums immediately anyway. 
Psychotic trolls like nute and more than enough others need limits, 
otherwise they dance on our nose as they do right now and a hierarchical 
system which fights itself is no way to get this done. It did not work 
in the Weimarer Republik and won't work for us, too.

OK this had to be said, now kick me, degrade me, whatever you think is 
best, but please finally do it once and for all, please. Only the best 
for Project counts! I don't care what happens to me as long as we get 
this problem solved. With or without me as mod. Have fun.

Daniel "dreimer" Reimer

(still for some last seconds) ReactOS Forum Moderator Team Member
ReactOS Build Environment for Windows Coordinator

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