Meeting on Thursday

[Colin Finck]

Hi folks,

As proposed in our urgent meeting in February, we are going to have 
regular meetings at 20:00 UTC on the last Thursday of every month. Next 
Thursday will be the first time to hold such a meeting.

While I was preparing the technical side (we're going to have a 
dedicated IRC server with voting capabilities this time), Amine and 
Victor have come up with a meeting agenda. We have agreed on the 
following points in this order:

- ReactOS member definition. Proposal is not to establish a fixed
   definition, but decide upon always keeping a list of people and just
   giving hints on how you can get on this list
- Current ReactOS work. Developers saying what they are working on
- Status of our GSoC participation, in particular students and mentors
- Upcoming LinuxTag event on 11th to 14th May
- Sum up of previous events, ideas for next ones
- Website revamp. Current status, who is working, who is willing to help

You see that the list is more about inquiring and getting information 
than doing vital decisions this time. The agenda is also prioritized so 
that people may leave if they don't want to participate in website 
discussions for example.
If nobody else volunteers, Amine would be in the minute taker position 
again and I would take the meeting leader role.

My current list of ReactOS members is as follows. Only these people will 
be able to participate in the discussions and votings, so please tell me 
if I have forgotten anybody or if you want to be added to this list:

- Giannis Adamopoulos (smiley1_)
- Johannes Anderwald (janderwald)
- Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo (elhoir)
- Maciej Bialas (niski)
- Aleksey Bragin (abragin)
- Colin Finck (Colin_Finck)
- Danny Götte (dangerground)
- Cameron Gutman (aicom)
- Ziliang Guo (ZWabbit)
- Rafal Harabien (rafalh)
- Kamil Hornicek (Pigglesworth)
- Amine Khaldi (AmineKhaldi)
- Timo Kreuzer (tkreuzer)
- Matthias Kupfer (Collibri)
- Michael Martin (mjmartin)
- Victor Martinez (vicmarcal)
- Roel Messiant (Mephisto)
- Andrew Munger (WaxDragon)
- Ged Murphy (GedMurphy)
- Sylvain Petreolle (Usurp)
- Hervé Poussineau (hpoussin)
- Daniel Reimer (dreimer)
- Pierre Schweitzer (HeisSpiter)
- Samuel Serapion (encoded)
- Olaf Siejka (Caemyr)
- James Tabor (jimtabor)
- Art Yerkes (arty)

Everybody may join the meeting channel as a non-participating observer 
though. I'll hand you all connection details when we're ready.

With best regards,

Colin

[Gabriel ilardi]

Hi Colin,
Please add me to the list, I'm quite busy with rl but I still want to be in :)

Gabriel.

>   Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 00:32:20 +0200
>  From: colin(a)reactos.org
>  To: ros-dev(a)reactos.org
>  Subject: [ros-dev] Meeting on Thursday
>  
>  Hi folks,
>  
>  As proposed in our urgent meeting in February, we are going to have 
>  regular meetings at 20:00 UTC on the last Thursday of every month. Next 
>  Thursday will be the first time to hold such a meeting.
>  
>  While I was preparing the technical side (we're going to have a 
>  dedicated IRC server with voting capabilities this time), Amine and 
>  Victor have come up with a meeting agenda. We have agreed on the 
>  following points in this order:
>  
>  - ReactOS member definition. Proposal is not to establish a fixed
>     definition, but decide upon always keeping a list of people and just
>     giving hints on how you can get on this list
>  - Current ReactOS work. Developers saying what they are working on
>  - Status of our GSoC participation, in particular students and mentors
>  - Upcoming LinuxTag event on 11th to 14th May
>  - Sum up of previous events, ideas for next ones
>  - Website revamp. Current status, who is working, who is willing to help
>  
>  You see that the list is more about inquiring and getting information 
>  than doing vital decisions this time. The agenda is also prioritized so 
>  that people may leave if they don't want to participate in website 
>  discussions for example.
>  If nobody else volunteers, Amine would be in the minute taker position 
>  again and I would take the meeting leader role.
>  
>  My current list of ReactOS members is as follows. Only these people will 
>  be able to participate in the discussions and votings, so please tell me 
>  if I have forgotten anybody or if you want to be added to this list:
>  
>  - Giannis Adamopoulos (smiley1_)
>  - Johannes Anderwald (janderwald)
>  - Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo (elhoir)
>  - Maciej Bialas (niski)
>  - Aleksey Bragin (abragin)
>  - Colin Finck (Colin_Finck)
>  - Danny Götte (dangerground)
>  - Cameron Gutman (aicom)
>  - Ziliang Guo (ZWabbit)
>  - Rafal Harabien (rafalh)
>  - Kamil Hornicek (Pigglesworth)
>  - Amine Khaldi (AmineKhaldi)
>  - Timo Kreuzer (tkreuzer)
>  - Matthias Kupfer (Collibri)
>  - Michael Martin (mjmartin)
>  - Victor Martinez (vicmarcal)
>  - Roel Messiant (Mephisto)
>  - Andrew Munger (WaxDragon)
>  - Ged Murphy (GedMurphy)
>  - Sylvain Petreolle (Usurp)
>  - Hervé Poussineau (hpoussin)
>  - Daniel Reimer (dreimer)
>  - Pierre Schweitzer (HeisSpiter)
>  - Samuel Serapion (encoded)
>  - Olaf Siejka (Caemyr)
>  - James Tabor (jimtabor)
>  - Art Yerkes (arty)
>  
>  Everybody may join the meeting channel as a non-participating observer 
>  though. I'll hand you all connection details when we're ready.
>  
>  With best regards,
>  
>  Colin
>  
>  _______________________________________________
>  Ros-dev mailing list
>  Ros-dev(a)reactos.org
>  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev

[victor martinez]

Gabriel, nice to see you around!! 
:)

From: gabrielilardi(a)hotmail.it
To: ros-dev(a)reactos.org
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 08:45:53 +0200
Subject: Re: [ros-dev] Meeting on Thursday








Hi Colin,
Please add me to the list, I'm quite busy with rl but I still want to be in :)

Gabriel.

>   Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 00:32:20 +0200
>  From: colin(a)reactos.org
>  To: ros-dev(a)reactos.org
>  Subject: [ros-dev] Meeting on Thursday
>  
>  Hi folks,
>  
>  As proposed in our urgent meeting in February, we are going to have 
>  regular meetings at 20:00 UTC on the last Thursday of every month. Next 
>  Thursday will be the first time to hold such a meeting.
>  
>  While I was preparing the technical side (we're going to have a 
>  dedicated IRC server with voting capabilities this time), Amine and 
>  Victor have come up with a meeting agenda. We have agreed on the 
>  following points in this order:
>  
>  - ReactOS member definition. Proposal is not to establish a fixed
>     definition, but decide upon always keeping a list of people and just
>     giving hints on how you can get on this list
>  - Current ReactOS work. Developers saying what they are working on
>  - Status of our GSoC participation, in particular students and mentors
>  - Upcoming LinuxTag event on 11th to 14th May
>  - Sum up of previous events, ideas for next ones
>  - Website revamp. Current status, who is working, who is willing to help
>  
>  You see that the list is more about inquiring and getting information 
>  than doing vital decisions this time. The agenda is also prioritized so 
>  that people may leave if they don't want to participate in website 
>  discussions for example.
>  If nobody else volunteers, Amine would be in the minute taker position 
>  again and I would take the meeting leader role.
>  
>  My current list of ReactOS members is as follows. Only these people will 
>  be able to participate in the discussions and votings, so please tell me 
>  if I have forgotten anybody or if you want to be added to this list:
>  
>  - Giannis Adamopoulos (smiley1_)
>  - Johannes Anderwald (janderwald)
>  - Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo (elhoir)
>  - Maciej Bialas (niski)
>  - Aleksey Bragin (abragin)
>  - Colin Finck (Colin_Finck)
>  - Danny Götte (dangerground)
>  - Cameron Gutman (aicom)
>  - Ziliang Guo (ZWabbit)
>  - Rafal Harabien (rafalh)
>  - Kamil Hornicek (Pigglesworth)
>  - Amine Khaldi (AmineKhaldi)
>  - Timo Kreuzer (tkreuzer)
>  - Matthias Kupfer (Collibri)
>  - Michael Martin (mjmartin)
>  - Victor Martinez (vicmarcal)
>  - Roel Messiant (Mephisto)
>  - Andrew Munger (WaxDragon)
>  - Ged Murphy (GedMurphy)
>  - Sylvain Petreolle (Usurp)
>  - Hervé Poussineau (hpoussin)
>  - Daniel Reimer (dreimer)
>  - Pierre Schweitzer (HeisSpiter)
>  - Samuel Serapion (encoded)
>  - Olaf Siejka (Caemyr)
>  - James Tabor (jimtabor)
>  - Art Yerkes (arty)
>  
>  Everybody may join the meeting channel as a non-participating observer 
>  though. I'll hand you all connection details when we're ready.
>  
>  With best regards,
>  
>  Colin
>  
>  _______________________________________________
>  Ros-dev mailing list
>  Ros-dev(a)reactos.org
>  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev 
 		 	   		  

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[Andrew Green]

Could a vote on merging the livecd and bootcd(no cab file) be put up
in the meeting?
The mailing list has not really been an indicator of what everyone wants.
I suppose a ram disk could be used and install from a cab. Though I
know nothing about how this would work and if this could be
implemented in the 2 to 3 weeks that could be spent on merging the
discs.

Advantages
-Only build and maintain one cd.
-Saves space on server(not having to build and save 2 discs)
-No confusion about what cd someone installed from.
-Simple to implement as opposed to a ram disk. to install everything
to from a cab.

Disadvantages
-To download an iso to just install will be larger(A compressed
version could counter this. Though it's not ideal)





On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 7:34 PM, victor martinez <vicmarcal(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>   Gabriel, nice to see you around!!
>  :)
>
>  ________________________________
>  From: gabrielilardi(a)hotmail.it
>  To: ros-dev(a)reactos.org
>  Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 08:45:53 +0200
>  Subject: Re: [ros-dev] Meeting on Thursday
>
>  Hi Colin,
>  Please add me to the list, I'm quite busy with rl but I still want to be in
>  :)
>
>  Gabriel.
>
> >   Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 00:32:20 +0200
> >  From: colin(a)reactos.org
> >  To: ros-dev(a)reactos.org
> >  Subject: [ros-dev] Meeting on Thursday
> >
> >  Hi folks,
> >
> >  As proposed in our urgent meeting in February, we are going to have
> >  regular meetings at 20:00 UTC on the last Thursday of every month. Next
> >  Thursday will be the first time to hold such a meeting.
> >
> >  While I was preparing the technical side (we're going to have a
> >  dedicated IRC server with voting capabilities this time), Amine and
> >  Victor have come up with a meeting agenda. We have agreed on the
> >  following points in this order:
> >
> >  - ReactOS member definition. Proposal is not to establish a fixed
> >  definition, but decide upon always keeping a list of people and just
> >  giving hints on how you can get on this list
> >  - Current ReactOS work. Developers saying what they are working on
> >  - Status of our GSoC participation, in particular students and mentors
> >  - Upcoming LinuxTag event on 11th to 14th May
> >  - Sum up of previous events, ideas for next ones
> >  - Website revamp. Current status, who is working, who is willing to help
> >
> >  You see that the list is more about inquiring and getting information
> >  than doing vital decisions this time. The agenda is also prioritized so
> >  that people may leave if they don't want to participate in website
> >  discussions for example.
> >  If nobody else volunteers, Amine would be in the minute taker position
> >  again and I would take the meeting leader role.
> >
> >  My current list of ReactOS members is as follows. Only these people will
> >  be able to participate in the discussions and votings, so please tell me
> >  if I have forgotten anybody or if you want to be added to this list:
> >
> >  - Giannis Adamopoulos (smiley1_)
> >  - Johannes Anderwald (janderwald)
> >  - Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo (elhoir)
> >  - Maciej Bialas (niski)
> >  - Aleksey Bragin (abragin)
> >  - Colin Finck (Colin_Finck)
> >  - Danny Götte (dangerground)
> >  - Cameron Gutman (aicom)
> >  - Ziliang Guo (ZWabbit)
> >  - Rafal Harabien (rafalh)
> >  - Kamil Hornicek (Pigglesworth)
> >  - Amine Khaldi (AmineKhaldi)
> >  - Timo Kreuzer (tkreuzer)
> >  - Matthias Kupfer (Collibri)
> >  - Michael Martin (mjmartin)
> >  - Victor Martinez (vicmarcal)
> >  - Roel Messiant (Mephisto)
> >  - Andrew Munger (WaxDragon)
> >  - Ged Murphy (GedMurphy)
> >  - Sylvain Petreolle (Usurp)
> >  - Hervé Poussineau (hpoussin)
> >  - Daniel Reimer (dreimer)
> >  - Pierre Schweitzer (HeisSpiter)
> >  - Samuel Serapion (encoded)
> >  - Olaf Siejka (Caemyr)
> >  - James Tabor (jimtabor)
> >  - Art Yerkes (arty)
> >
> >  Everybody may join the meeting channel as a non-participating observer
> >  though. I'll hand you all connection details when we're ready.
> >
> >  With best regards,
> >
> >  Colin
> >
> >  _______________________________________________
> >  Ros-dev mailing list
> >  Ros-dev(a)reactos.org
> >  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev 
>  _______________________________________________ Ros-dev mailing list
>  Ros-dev(a)reactos.org http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
>  _______________________________________________
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>  Ros-dev(a)reactos.org
>  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
>

[Adam]

Looks like an interesting project. Another advantage I see is that we can
potentially rid ourselves of the text-based setup and have a GUI based
setup and thus make the install potentially quicker.

I would definitely put a vote in for this one.

As for the larger ISO - the Linux ISOs I notice tend to be much larger  
anyway at the moment. I would be more worried if it exceeds 180MB or so. :)

On Wed, 30 Mar 2011 16:16:11 +1100, Andrew Green <greeniekin(a)gmail.com>
wrote:

>   Could a vote on merging the livecd and bootcd(no cab
> file) be put up
>  in the meeting?
>  The mailing list has not really been an indicator of what everyone wants.
>  I suppose a ram disk could be used and install from a cab. Though I
>  know nothing about how this would work and if this could be
>  implemented in the 2 to 3 weeks that could be spent on merging the
>  discs.
>
>  Advantages
>  -Only build and maintain one cd.
>  -Saves space on server(not having to build and save 2 discs)
>  -No confusion about what cd someone installed from.
>  -Simple to implement as opposed to a ram disk. to install everything
>  to from a cab.
>
>  Disadvantages
>  -To download an iso to just install will be larger(A compressed
>  version could counter this. Though it's not ideal)
>
>
>
>
>
>  On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 7:34 PM, victor martinez <vicmarcal(a)hotmail.com>  
>  wrote:
> >   Gabriel, nice to see you around!!
> >  :)
> >
> >  ________________________________
> >  From: gabrielilardi(a)hotmail.it
> >  To: ros-dev(a)reactos.org
> >  Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 08:45:53 +0200
> >  Subject: Re: [ros-dev] Meeting on Thursday
> >
> >  Hi Colin,
> >  Please add me to the list, I'm quite busy with rl but I still want to  
> >  be in
> >  :)
> >
> >  Gabriel.
> >
> > >   Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 00:32:20 +0200
> > >  From: colin(a)reactos.org
> > >  To: ros-dev(a)reactos.org
> > >  Subject: [ros-dev] Meeting on Thursday
> > >
> > >  Hi folks,
> > >
> > >  As proposed in our urgent meeting in February, we are going to have
> > >  regular meetings at 20:00 UTC on the last Thursday of every month. Next
> > >  Thursday will be the first time to hold such a meeting.
> > >
> > >  While I was preparing the technical side (we're going to have a
> > >  dedicated IRC server with voting capabilities this time), Amine and
> > >  Victor have come up with a meeting agenda. We have agreed on the
> > >  following points in this order:
> > >
> > >  - ReactOS member definition. Proposal is not to establish a fixed
> > >  definition, but decide upon always keeping a list of people and just
> > >  giving hints on how you can get on this list
> > >  - Current ReactOS work. Developers saying what they are working on
> > >  - Status of our GSoC participation, in particular students and mentors
> > >  - Upcoming LinuxTag event on 11th to 14th May
> > >  - Sum up of previous events, ideas for next ones
> > >  - Website revamp. Current status, who is working, who is willing to  
> > >  help
> > >
> > >  You see that the list is more about inquiring and getting information
> > >  than doing vital decisions this time. The agenda is also prioritized so
> > >  that people may leave if they don't want to participate in website
> > >  discussions for example.
> > >  If nobody else volunteers, Amine would be in the minute taker position
> > >  again and I would take the meeting leader role.
> > >
> > >  My current list of ReactOS members is as follows. Only these people  
> > >  will
> > >  be able to participate in the discussions and votings, so please tell  
> > >  me
> > >  if I have forgotten anybody or if you want to be added to this list:
> > >
> > >  - Giannis Adamopoulos (smiley1_)
> > >  - Johannes Anderwald (janderwald)
> > >  - Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo (elhoir)
> > >  - Maciej Bialas (niski)
> > >  - Aleksey Bragin (abragin)
> > >  - Colin Finck (Colin_Finck)
> > >  - Danny Götte (dangerground)
> > >  - Cameron Gutman (aicom)
> > >  - Ziliang Guo (ZWabbit)
> > >  - Rafal Harabien (rafalh)
> > >  - Kamil Hornicek (Pigglesworth)
> > >  - Amine Khaldi (AmineKhaldi)
> > >  - Timo Kreuzer (tkreuzer)
> > >  - Matthias Kupfer (Collibri)
> > >  - Michael Martin (mjmartin)
> > >  - Victor Martinez (vicmarcal)
> > >  - Roel Messiant (Mephisto)
> > >  - Andrew Munger (WaxDragon)
> > >  - Ged Murphy (GedMurphy)
> > >  - Sylvain Petreolle (Usurp)
> > >  - Hervé Poussineau (hpoussin)
> > >  - Daniel Reimer (dreimer)
> > >  - Pierre Schweitzer (HeisSpiter)
> > >  - Samuel Serapion (encoded)
> > >  - Olaf Siejka (Caemyr)
> > >  - James Tabor (jimtabor)
> > >  - Art Yerkes (arty)
> > >
> > >  Everybody may join the meeting channel as a non-participating observer
> > >  though. I'll hand you all connection details when we're ready.
> > >
> > >  With best regards,
> > >
> > >  Colin
> > >
> > >  _______________________________________________
> > >  Ros-dev mailing list
> > >  Ros-dev(a)reactos.org
> > >  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev 
> >  _______________________________________________ Ros-dev mailing list
> >  Ros-dev(a)reactos.org http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
> >  _______________________________________________
> >  Ros-dev mailing list
> >  Ros-dev(a)reactos.org
> >  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
> >  
>  _______________________________________________
>  Ros-dev mailing list
>  Ros-dev(a)reactos.org
>  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev 

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[Olaf Siejka]

- buildtime increase? It wont be much, but still, every build target means
some time spent

Are we ready for such decision? I think it could be postponed to next month.

2011/3/30 Adam <geekdundee(a)gmail.com>

>   Looks like an interesting project. Another advantage I
> see is that we can
>  potentially rid ourselves of the text-based setup and have a GUI based
>  setup and thus make the install potentially quicker.
>
>  I would definitely put a vote in for this one.
>
>  As for the larger ISO - the Linux ISOs I notice tend to be much larger
>  anyway at the moment. I would be more worried if it exceeds 180MB or so. :)
>
>  On Wed, 30 Mar 2011 16:16:11 +1100, Andrew Green <greeniekin(a)gmail.com>
>  wrote:
>
>
>   Could a vote on merging the livecd and bootcd(no cab file) be put up
> >   in the meeting?
> >  The mailing list has not really been an indicator of what everyone wants.
> >  I suppose a ram disk could be used and install from a cab. Though I
> >  know nothing about how this would work and if this could be
> >  implemented in the 2 to 3 weeks that could be spent on merging the
> >  discs.
> >
> >  Advantages
> >  -Only build and maintain one cd.
> >  -Saves space on server(not having to build and save 2 discs)
> >  -No confusion about what cd someone installed from.
> >  -Simple to implement as opposed to a ram disk. to install everything
> >  to from a cab.
> >
> >  Disadvantages
> >  -To download an iso to just install will be larger(A compressed
> >  version could counter this. Though it's not ideal)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 7:34 PM, victor martinez <vicmarcal(a)hotmail.com>
> >  wrote:
> >
> > >   Gabriel, nice to see you around!!
> > >  :)
> > >
> > >  ________________________________
> > >  From: gabrielilardi(a)hotmail.it
> > >  To: ros-dev(a)reactos.org
> > >  Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 08:45:53 +0200
> > >  Subject: Re: [ros-dev] Meeting on Thursday
> > >
> > >  Hi Colin,
> > >  Please add me to the list, I'm quite busy with rl but I still want to be
> > >  in
> > >  :)
> > >
> > >  Gabriel.
> > >
> > >   Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 00:32:20 +0200
> > > >   From: colin(a)reactos.org
> > > >  To: ros-dev(a)reactos.org
> > > >  Subject: [ros-dev] Meeting on Thursday
> > > >
> > > >  Hi folks,
> > > >
> > > >  As proposed in our urgent meeting in February, we are going to have
> > > >  regular meetings at 20:00 UTC on the last Thursday of every month. Next
> > > >  Thursday will be the first time to hold such a meeting.
> > > >
> > > >  While I was preparing the technical side (we're going to have a
> > > >  dedicated IRC server with voting capabilities this time), Amine and
> > > >  Victor have come up with a meeting agenda. We have agreed on the
> > > >  following points in this order:
> > > >
> > > >  - ReactOS member definition. Proposal is not to establish a fixed
> > > >  definition, but decide upon always keeping a list of people and just
> > > >  giving hints on how you can get on this list
> > > >  - Current ReactOS work. Developers saying what they are working on
> > > >  - Status of our GSoC participation, in particular students and mentors
> > > >  - Upcoming LinuxTag event on 11th to 14th May
> > > >  - Sum up of previous events, ideas for next ones
> > > >  - Website revamp. Current status, who is working, who is willing to help
> > > >
> > > >  You see that the list is more about inquiring and getting information
> > > >  than doing vital decisions this time. The agenda is also prioritized so
> > > >  that people may leave if they don't want to participate in website
> > > >  discussions for example.
> > > >  If nobody else volunteers, Amine would be in the minute taker position
> > > >  again and I would take the meeting leader role.
> > > >
> > > >  My current list of ReactOS members is as follows. Only these people will
> > > >  be able to participate in the discussions and votings, so please tell me
> > > >  if I have forgotten anybody or if you want to be added to this list:
> > > >
> > > >  - Giannis Adamopoulos (smiley1_)
> > > >  - Johannes Anderwald (janderwald)
> > > >  - Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo (elhoir)
> > > >  - Maciej Bialas (niski)
> > > >  - Aleksey Bragin (abragin)
> > > >  - Colin Finck (Colin_Finck)
> > > >  - Danny Götte (dangerground)
> > > >  - Cameron Gutman (aicom)
> > > >  - Ziliang Guo (ZWabbit)
> > > >  - Rafal Harabien (rafalh)
> > > >  - Kamil Hornicek (Pigglesworth)
> > > >  - Amine Khaldi (AmineKhaldi)
> > > >  - Timo Kreuzer (tkreuzer)
> > > >  - Matthias Kupfer (Collibri)
> > > >  - Michael Martin (mjmartin)
> > > >  - Victor Martinez (vicmarcal)
> > > >  - Roel Messiant (Mephisto)
> > > >  - Andrew Munger (WaxDragon)
> > > >  - Ged Murphy (GedMurphy)
> > > >  - Sylvain Petreolle (Usurp)
> > > >  - Hervé Poussineau (hpoussin)
> > > >  - Daniel Reimer (dreimer)
> > > >  - Pierre Schweitzer (HeisSpiter)
> > > >  - Samuel Serapion (encoded)
> > > >  - Olaf Siejka (Caemyr)
> > > >  - James Tabor (jimtabor)
> > > >  - Art Yerkes (arty)
> > > >
> > > >  Everybody may join the meeting channel as a non-participating observer
> > > >  though. I'll hand you all connection details when we're ready.
> > > >
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[Adam]

The buildtime will naturally increase as improvements are made etc. One  
can expect this sort of thing to happen. The only solution that I can  
think of to that (if possible would be applicable to the current targets  
now but I am not sure how feasable this is) is to allow exclusion of  
unwanted or unnecessary modules.

About postponing the decision; I am not in any rush to see it implemented,  
not sure about others. A poll (as Andrew Green originally suggested) is  
not an idea I would dismiss though. At least it would give some insight as  
to who would want to be seeing this implemented or not.

On Wed, 30 Mar 2011 18:47:12 +1100, Olaf Siejka <caemyr(a)gmail.com> wrote:

>   - buildtime increase? It wont be much, but still,
> every build target  
>  means
>  some time spent
>
>  Are we ready for such decision? I think it could be postponed to next  
>  month.
>
>  2011/3/30 Adam <geekdundee(a)gmail.com>
>
> > Looks like an interesting project. Another advantage I see is that we  
> > can
> > potentially rid ourselves of the text-based setup and have a GUI based
> > setup and thus make the install potentially quicker.
> >
> > I would definitely put a vote in for this one.
> >
> > As for the larger ISO - the Linux ISOs I notice tend to be much larger
> > anyway at the moment. I would be more worried if it exceeds 180MB or  
> > so. :)
> >
> > On Wed, 30 Mar 2011 16:16:11 +1100, Andrew Green <greeniekin(a)gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >  Could a vote on merging the livecd and bootcd(no cab file) be put up
> >> in the meeting?
> >> The mailing list has not really been an indicator of what everyone  
> >> wants.
> >> I suppose a ram disk could be used and install from a cab. Though I
> >> know nothing about how this would work and if this could be
> >> implemented in the 2 to 3 weeks that could be spent on merging the
> >> discs.
> >>
> >> Advantages
> >> -Only build and maintain one cd.
> >> -Saves space on server(not having to build and save 2 discs)
> >> -No confusion about what cd someone installed from.
> >> -Simple to implement as opposed to a ram disk. to install everything
> >> to from a cab.
> >>
> >> Disadvantages
> >> -To download an iso to just install will be larger(A compressed
> >> version could counter this. Though it's not ideal)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 7:34 PM, victor martinez  
> >> <vicmarcal(a)hotmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Gabriel, nice to see you around!!
> >>> :)
> >>>
> >>> ________________________________
> >>> From: gabrielilardi(a)hotmail.it
> >>> To: ros-dev(a)reactos.org
> >>> Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 08:45:53 +0200
> >>> Subject: Re: [ros-dev] Meeting on Thursday
> >>>
> >>> Hi Colin,
> >>> Please add me to the list, I'm quite busy with rl but I still want to  
> >>> be
> >>> in
> >>> :)
> >>>
> >>> Gabriel.
> >>>
> >>>  Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 00:32:20 +0200
> >>>> From: colin(a)reactos.org
> >>>> To: ros-dev(a)reactos.org
> >>>> Subject: [ros-dev] Meeting on Thursday
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi folks,
> >>>>
> >>>> As proposed in our urgent meeting in February, we are going to have
> >>>> regular meetings at 20:00 UTC on the last Thursday of every month.  
> >>>> Next
> >>>> Thursday will be the first time to hold such a meeting.
> >>>>
> >>>> While I was preparing the technical side (we're going to have a
> >>>> dedicated IRC server with voting capabilities this time), Amine and
> >>>> Victor have come up with a meeting agenda. We have agreed on the
> >>>> following points in this order:
> >>>>
> >>>> - ReactOS member definition. Proposal is not to establish a fixed
> >>>> definition, but decide upon always keeping a list of people and just
> >>>> giving hints on how you can get on this list
> >>>> - Current ReactOS work. Developers saying what they are working on
> >>>> - Status of our GSoC participation, in particular students and  
> >>>> mentors
> >>>> - Upcoming LinuxTag event on 11th to 14th May
> >>>> - Sum up of previous events, ideas for next ones
> >>>> - Website revamp. Current status, who is working, who is willing to  
> >>>> help
> >>>>
> >>>> You see that the list is more about inquiring and getting information
> >>>> than doing vital decisions this time. The agenda is also prioritized  
> >>>> so
> >>>> that people may leave if they don't want to participate in website
> >>>> discussions for example.
> >>>> If nobody else volunteers, Amine would be in the minute taker  
> >>>> position
> >>>> again and I would take the meeting leader role.
> >>>>
> >>>> My current list of ReactOS members is as follows. Only these people  
> >>>> will
> >>>> be able to participate in the discussions and votings, so please  
> >>>> tell me
> >>>> if I have forgotten anybody or if you want to be added to this list:
> >>>>
> >>>> - Giannis Adamopoulos (smiley1_)
> >>>> - Johannes Anderwald (janderwald)
> >>>> - Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo (elhoir)
> >>>> - Maciej Bialas (niski)
> >>>> - Aleksey Bragin (abragin)
> >>>> - Colin Finck (Colin_Finck)
> >>>> - Danny Götte (dangerground)
> >>>> - Cameron Gutman (aicom)
> >>>> - Ziliang Guo (ZWabbit)
> >>>> - Rafal Harabien (rafalh)
> >>>> - Kamil Hornicek (Pigglesworth)
> >>>> - Amine Khaldi (AmineKhaldi)
> >>>> - Timo Kreuzer (tkreuzer)
> >>>> - Matthias Kupfer (Collibri)
> >>>> - Michael Martin (mjmartin)
> >>>> - Victor Martinez (vicmarcal)
> >>>> - Roel Messiant (Mephisto)
> >>>> - Andrew Munger (WaxDragon)
> >>>> - Ged Murphy (GedMurphy)
> >>>> - Sylvain Petreolle (Usurp)
> >>>> - Hervé Poussineau (hpoussin)
> >>>> - Daniel Reimer (dreimer)
> >>>> - Pierre Schweitzer (HeisSpiter)
> >>>> - Samuel Serapion (encoded)
> >>>> - Olaf Siejka (Caemyr)
> >>>> - James Tabor (jimtabor)
> >>>> - Art Yerkes (arty)
> >>>>
> >>>> Everybody may join the meeting channel as a non-participating  
> >>>> observer
> >>>> though. I'll hand you all connection details when we're ready.
> >>>>
> >>>> With best regards,
> >>>>
> >>>> Colin
> >>>>
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[Aleksey Bragin]

On Mar 30, 2011, at 9:16 AM, Andrew Green wrote:
>   Advantages
>  -Only build and maintain one cd.
>  -Saves space on server(not having to build and save 2 discs)
>  -No confusion about what cd someone installed from. 
There is no (easy) way to
install ReactOS without using bootcd, so  
it's really the only option.

>   -Simple to implement as opposed to a ram disk. to
> install everything
>  to from a cab.
>
>  Disadvantages
>  -To download an iso to just install will be larger(A compressed
>  version could counter this. Though it's not ideal) 
Even additional 10Mb would
become 100Mb when regress testing just 10  
revisions. There are many people (myself included) who don't have  
high-speed connection all the time too.


WBR,
Aleksey.

[Andrew Green]

On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 6:42 PM, Aleksey Bragin <aleksey(a)reactos.org> wrote:
>  
>  On Mar 30, 2011, at 9:16 AM, Andrew Green wrote:
> >  
> >  Advantages
> >  -Only build and maintain one cd.
> >  -Saves space on server(not having to build and save 2 discs)
> >  -No confusion about what cd someone installed from. 
>  There is no (easy) way to install ReactOS without using bootcd, so it's
>  really the only option. 
I'm not sure what you mean. My plan is still to have
the text based
install, aswell as livecd. all the bootcd has at the moment is the
text based installer and install files in a cab.

>  
> >   -Simple to implement as opposed to a ram disk. to
> > install everything
> >  to from a cab.
> >
> >  Disadvantages
> >  -To download an iso to just install will be larger(A compressed
> >  version could counter this. Though it's not ideal) 
>  Even additional 10Mb would become 100Mb when regress testing just 10
>  revisions. There are many people (myself included) who don't have high-speed
>  connection all the time too. 
If you download from  http://iso.reactos.org/ it is
stored as a 7z
file. You will notice the livecd is smaller than the bootcd.
In-fact by roughly 10mb smaller. So by your logic you would prefer my
solution. Though for users they would probably prefer a raw iso.
Though they also wouldn't be downloading 10 a day.


I don't know if the build time is talking about the merging of discs.
There shouldn't be any added build time. for one you save time because
you do not have to compress the files into a cab. You would also save
time because you wouldn't have to build 2 types of discs. Though these
are not really build times. It's just moving the already built files
into directories and then turning them into an iso.

Though if it's about building the livecd installer application. you
already build an unfinished version of it.


 I would really like some feedback soon because this will be my google
summer of code proposal.(well part of it anyway)

[Timo Kreuzer]

Am 30.03.2011 10:42, schrieb Aleksey Bragin:
> >   Disadvantages
> >  -To download an iso to just install will be larger(A compressed
> >  version could counter this. Though it's not ideal) 
>  Even additional 10Mb would become 100Mb when regress testing just 10 
>  revisions. There are many people (myself included) who don't have 
>  high-speed connection all the time too. 
Although its a valid point, I understood it
as we wanted to switch to a 
1st stage gui installer(?)
In that case, we would need all the stuff for a livecd anyway.
Maybe we should first evaluate how much memory this would really be.

Regards,
Timo

[Zachary Gorden]

We already have the capability to merge the two.  But there's nothing
fundamentally broken in having two versions until such time as we can
actually install from the liveCD.  Until that happens, I don't see a
convincing argument for merging the two, since the ones outlined above seem
to boil down to "it might confuse people."

On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 4:57 AM, Timo Kreuzer <timo.kreuzer(a)web.de> wrote:

>   Am 30.03.2011 10:42, schrieb Aleksey Bragin:
>
>   Disadvantages
> > >   -To
> > > download an iso to just install will be larger(A compressed
> > >  version could counter this. Though it's not ideal)
> > >  
> >  Even additional 10Mb would become 100Mb when regress testing just 10
> >  revisions. There are many people (myself included) who don't have high-speed
> >  connection all the time too.
> >  
>  Although its a valid point, I understood it as we wanted to switch to a 1st
>  stage gui installer(?)
>  In that case, we would need all the stuff for a livecd anyway.
>  Maybe we should first evaluate how much memory this would really be.
>
>  Regards,
>  Timo
>
>
>
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[Andrew Green]

Actually they can't be merged at the moment. They can be in seperate
directories on the same cd eg reactos and reactoslive.
This is how it was done for the dual boot cd's distributed, at that convention.
The reason why is that usetup deletes smss.exe and replaces it with
itself, and the livecd requires the original smss.exe
also those cd's were 200mb+. Currently loading smss.exe is hardcoded
into ntoskrnl.exe. So ntoskrnl.exe needs to be fixed.
plus server files like ntoskrnl.exe,ntkrnlmp.exe,hal.exe, etc are
identical to the livecd ones except are in the reactos folder instead
of the system32 folder.

Also the reason I'm asking this is because my google summer of code
project is to be able to install from the livecd.



On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 12:16 AM, Zachary Gorden
<drakekaizer666(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>   We already have the capability to merge the two.  But
> there's nothing
>  fundamentally broken in having two versions until such time as we can
>  actually install from the liveCD.  Until that happens, I don't see a
>  convincing argument for merging the two, since the ones outlined above seem
>  to boil down to "it might confuse people."
>
>  On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 4:57 AM, Timo Kreuzer <timo.kreuzer(a)web.de> wrote:
> >  
> >  Am 30.03.2011 10:42, schrieb Aleksey Bragin:
> > > >  
> > > >  Disadvantages
> > > >  -To download an iso to just install will be larger(A compressed
> > > >  version could counter this. Though it's not ideal) 
> > >  Even additional 10Mb would become 100Mb when regress testing just 10
> > >  revisions. There are many people (myself included) who don't have high-speed
> > >  connection all the time too. 
> >  Although its a valid point, I understood it as we wanted to switch to a
> >  1st stage gui installer(?)
> >  In that case, we would need all the stuff for a livecd anyway.
> >  Maybe we should first evaluate how much memory this would really be.
> >
> >  Regards,
> >  Timo
> >
> >
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[Andrew Green]

Probably best not to vote on this. As there will be people that don't
understand what I'm trying to do and what the actual consequences and
benefits are. I will just do it the way I see it in my mind, and you
guys can check out the results.
If you do have any interest you can of course contact me on irc or by email.

On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 12:42 AM, Andrew Green <greeniekin(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>   Actually they can't be merged at the moment. They
> can be in seperate
>  directories on the same cd eg reactos and reactoslive.
>  This is how it was done for the dual boot cd's distributed, at that convention.
>  The reason why is that usetup deletes smss.exe and replaces it with
>  itself, and the livecd requires the original smss.exe
>  also those cd's were 200mb+. Currently loading smss.exe is hardcoded
>  into ntoskrnl.exe. So ntoskrnl.exe needs to be fixed.
>  plus server files like ntoskrnl.exe,ntkrnlmp.exe,hal.exe, etc are
>  identical to the livecd ones except are in the reactos folder instead
>  of the system32 folder.
>
>  Also the reason I'm asking this is because my google summer of code
>  project is to be able to install from the livecd.
>
>
>
>  On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 12:16 AM, Zachary Gorden
>  <drakekaizer666(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >   We already have the capability to merge the two. 
> > But there's nothing
> >  fundamentally broken in having two versions until such time as we can
> >  actually install from the liveCD.  Until that happens, I don't see a
> >  convincing argument for merging the two, since the ones outlined above seem
> >  to boil down to "it might confuse people."
> >
> >  On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 4:57 AM, Timo Kreuzer <timo.kreuzer(a)web.de> wrote:
> > >  
> > >  Am 30.03.2011 10:42, schrieb Aleksey Bragin:
> > > >  >
> > > > > Disadvantages
> > > > > -To download an iso to just install will be larger(A compressed
> > > > > version could counter this. Though it's not ideal)
> > > >
> > > >  Even additional 10Mb would become 100Mb when regress testing just 10
> > > >  revisions. There are many people (myself included) who don't have high-speed
> > > >  connection all the time too. 
> > >  Although its a valid point, I understood it as we wanted to switch to a
> > >  1st stage gui installer(?)
> > >  In that case, we would need all the stuff for a livecd anyway.
> > >  Maybe we should first evaluate how much memory this would really be.
> > >
> > >  Regards,
> > >  Timo
> > >
> > >
> > >  _______________________________________________
> > >  Ros-dev mailing list
> > >  Ros-dev(a)reactos.org
> > >  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev 
> >
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> >  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
> >  
>

[Gabriel ilardi]

Team, may I suggest we create a branch for Andrew? 
Thanks.
Gabriel.

>   Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 18:42:30 +1000
>  From: greeniekin(a)gmail.com
>  To: ros-dev(a)reactos.org
>  Subject: Re: [ros-dev] Meeting on Thursday
>  
>  Probably best not to vote on this. As there will be people that don't
>  understand what I'm trying to do and what the actual consequences and
>  benefits are. I will just do it the way I see it in my mind, and you
>  guys can check out the results.
>  If you do have any interest you can of course contact me on irc or by email.
>  
>  On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 12:42 AM, Andrew Green <greeniekin(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >   Actually they can't be merged at the moment.
> > They can be in seperate
> >  directories on the same cd eg reactos and reactoslive.
> >  This is how it was done for the dual boot cd's distributed, at that convention.
> >  The reason why is that usetup deletes smss.exe and replaces it with
> >  itself, and the livecd requires the original smss.exe
> >  also those cd's were 200mb+. Currently loading smss.exe is hardcoded
> >  into ntoskrnl.exe. So ntoskrnl.exe needs to be fixed.
> >  plus server files like ntoskrnl.exe,ntkrnlmp.exe,hal.exe, etc are
> >  identical to the livecd ones except are in the reactos folder instead
> >  of the system32 folder.
> >
> >  Also the reason I'm asking this is because my google summer of code
> >  project is to be able to install from the livecd.
> >
> >
> >
> >  On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 12:16 AM, Zachary Gorden
> >  <drakekaizer666(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > >   We already have the capability to merge the two. 
> > > But there's nothing
> > >  fundamentally broken in having two versions until such time as we can
> > >  actually install from the liveCD.  Until that happens, I don't see a
> > >  convincing argument for merging the two, since the ones outlined above seem
> > >  to boil down to "it might confuse people."
> > >
> > >  On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 4:57 AM, Timo Kreuzer <timo.kreuzer(a)web.de> wrote:
> > > >  
> > > >  Am 30.03.2011 10:42, schrieb Aleksey Bragin:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Disadvantages
> > > > >> -To download an iso to just install will be larger(A compressed
> > > > >> version could counter this. Though it's not ideal)
> > > > >
> > > > > Even additional 10Mb would become 100Mb when regress testing just 10
> > > > > revisions. There are many people (myself included) who don't have high-speed
> > > > > connection all the time too.
> > > >
> > > >  Although its a valid point, I understood it as we wanted to switch to a
> > > >  1st stage gui installer(?)
> > > >  In that case, we would need all the stuff for a livecd anyway.
> > > >  Maybe we should first evaluate how much memory this would really be.
> > > >
> > > >  Regards,
> > > >  Timo
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >  _______________________________________________
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> > > >  Ros-dev(a)reactos.org
> > > >  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev 
> > >
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[Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo]

"Edijus" at IRC wants to be voiced for the meeting... he is not subscribed
to this ML, thats why im emailing.... what do u think?

On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Gabriel ilardi
<gabrielilardi(a)hotmail.it>wrote;wrote:

>    Team, may I suggest we create a branch for Andrew?
>  Thanks.
>  Gabriel.
>
> >   Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 18:42:30 +1000
> >  From: greeniekin(a)gmail.com 
> >   To: ros-dev(a)reactos.org
> >  Subject: Re: [ros-dev] Meeting on Thursday
> >
> >  Probably best not to vote on this. As there will be people that don't
> >  understand what I'm trying to do and what the actual consequences and
> >  benefits are. I will just do it the way I see it in my mind, and you
> >  guys can check out the results.
> >  If you do have any interest you can of course contact me on irc or by 
>  email.
> >  
> >  On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 12:42 AM, Andrew Green <greeniekin(a)gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> >   > Actually they can't be merged at the
> > moment. They can be in seperate
> >  > directories on the same cd eg reactos and reactoslive.
> >  > This is how it was done for the dual boot cd's distributed, at that 
> convention.
> >   > The reason why is that usetup deletes
> > smss.exe and replaces it with
> >  > itself, and the livecd requires the original smss.exe
> >  > also those cd's were 200mb+. Currently loading smss.exe is hardcoded
> >  > into ntoskrnl.exe. So ntoskrnl.exe needs to be fixed.
> >  > plus server files like ntoskrnl.exe,ntkrnlmp.exe,hal.exe, etc are
> >  > identical to the livecd ones except are in the reactos folder instead
> >  > of the system32 folder.
> >  >
> >  > Also the reason I'm asking this is because my google summer of code
> >  > project is to be able to install from the livecd.
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  > On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 12:16 AM, Zachary Gorden
> >  > <drakekaizer666(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >  >> We already have the capability to merge the two.  But there's nothing
> >  >> fundamentally broken in having two versions until such time as we can
> >  >> actually install from the liveCD.  Until that happens, I don't see a
> >  >> convincing argument for merging the two, since the ones outlined above 
> seem
> >   >> to boil down to "it might confuse
> > people."
> >  >>
> >  >> On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 4:57 AM, Timo Kreuzer <timo.kreuzer(a)web.de> 
> wrote:
> >   >>>
> >  >>> Am 30.03.2011 10:42, schrieb Aleksey Bragin:
> >  >>>>>
> >  >>>>> Disadvantages
> >  >>>>> -To download an iso to just install will be larger(A compressed
> >  >>>>> version could counter this. Though it's not ideal)
> >  >>>>
> >  >>>> Even additional 10Mb would become 100Mb when regress testing just 10
> >  >>>> revisions. There are many people (myself included) who don't have
>  high-speed
> >   >>>> connection all the time too.
> >  >>>
> >  >>> Although its a valid point, I understood it as we wanted to switch to 
> a
> > > >  > 1st stage gui installer(?)
> > > > > In that case, we would need all the stuff for a livecd anyway.
> > > > > Maybe we should first evaluate how much memory this would really be.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > > Timo
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > Ros-dev mailing list
> > > > > Ros-dev(a)reactos.org
> > > > > http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >  _______________________________________________
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> > > >  Ros-dev(a)reactos.org
> > > >  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
> > > >  
> > >  
> >  _______________________________________________
> >  Ros-dev mailing list
> >  Ros-dev(a)reactos.org
> >  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev 
>  _______________________________________________
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>  Ros-dev(a)reactos.org
>  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
>

[Olaf Siejka]

Why? What for?

2011/3/31 Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo <elhoir(a)gmail.com>

>   "Edijus" at IRC wants to be voiced for the
> meeting... he is not subscribed
>  to this ML, thats why im emailing.... what do u think?
>
>
>  On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Gabriel ilardi <gabrielilardi(a)hotmail.it
> >   wrote: 
> >    Team, may I suggest we create a branch for
> > Andrew?
> >  Thanks.
> >  Gabriel.
> >
> > >   Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 18:42:30 +1000
> > >  From: greeniekin(a)gmail.com 
> > >   To: ros-dev(a)reactos.org
> > >  Subject: Re: [ros-dev] Meeting on Thursday
> > >
> > >  Probably best not to vote on this. As there will be people that don't
> > >  understand what I'm trying to do and what the actual consequences and
> > >  benefits are. I will just do it the way I see it in my mind, and you
> > >  guys can check out the results.
> > >  If you do have any interest you can of course contact me on irc or by 
> >  email.
> > >  
> > >  On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 12:42 AM, Andrew Green <greeniekin(a)gmail.com> 
> > wrote:
> > >   > Actually they can't be merged at the
> > > moment. They can be in seperate
> > >  > directories on the same cd eg reactos and reactoslive.
> > >  > This is how it was done for the dual boot cd's distributed, at that 
> > convention.
> > >   > The reason why is that usetup deletes
> > > smss.exe and replaces it with
> > >  > itself, and the livecd requires the original smss.exe
> > >  > also those cd's were 200mb+. Currently loading smss.exe is hardcoded
> > >  > into ntoskrnl.exe. So ntoskrnl.exe needs to be fixed.
> > >  > plus server files like ntoskrnl.exe,ntkrnlmp.exe,hal.exe, etc are
> > >  > identical to the livecd ones except are in the reactos folder instead
> > >  > of the system32 folder.
> > >  >
> > >  > Also the reason I'm asking this is because my google summer of code
> > >  > project is to be able to install from the livecd.
> > >  >
> > >  >
> > >  >
> > >  > On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 12:16 AM, Zachary Gorden
> > >  > <drakekaizer666(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > >  >> We already have the capability to merge the two.  But there's nothing
> > >  >> fundamentally broken in having two versions until such time as we can
> > >  >> actually install from the liveCD.  Until that happens, I don't see a
> > >  >> convincing argument for merging the two, since the ones outlined 
> >  above
> > seem
> > >   >> to boil down to "it might confuse
> > > people."
> > >  >>
> > >  >> On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 4:57 AM, Timo Kreuzer <timo.kreuzer(a)web.de> 
> > wrote:
> > >   >>>
> > >  >>> Am 30.03.2011 10:42, schrieb Aleksey Bragin:
> > >  >>>>>
> > >  >>>>> Disadvantages
> > >  >>>>> -To download an iso to just install will be larger(A compressed
> > >  >>>>> version could counter this. Though it's not ideal)
> > >  >>>>
> > >  >>>> Even additional 10Mb would become 100Mb when regress testing just 
> > 10
> > >   >>>> revisions. There are many people
> > > (myself included) who don't have 
> >  high-speed
> > >   >>>> connection all the time too.
> > >  >>>
> > >  >>> Although its a valid point, I understood it as we wanted to switch 
> >  to
> > a
> > > >  >>
> > > > 1st stage gui installer(?)
> > > > >> In that case, we would need all the stuff for a livecd anyway.
> > > > >> Maybe we should first evaluate how much memory this would really be.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Regards,
> > > > >> Timo
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> _______________________________________________
> > > > >> Ros-dev mailing list
> > > > >> Ros-dev(a)reactos.org
> > > > >> http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > Ros-dev mailing list
> > > > > Ros-dev(a)reactos.org
> > > > > http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
> > > > >
> > > >  
> > >  _______________________________________________
> > >  Ros-dev mailing list
> > >  Ros-dev(a)reactos.org
> > >  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev 
> >  _______________________________________________
> >  Ros-dev mailing list
> >  Ros-dev(a)reactos.org
> >  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
> >  
>
>  _______________________________________________
>  Ros-dev mailing list
>  Ros-dev(a)reactos.org
>  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
>

[Andrew Green]

In IRC someone thought my message was implying that everyone is stupid.
It was not my intention. I just meant everyone may not know what is
going on as no one can spare time to learn everything.
It is unfair to call a vote on something that people are not
interested in, and have not researched. It would also be unfair to ask
them to research it.

If you are interested feel free to contact me and we can discuss how
everything will work.

Also remember I love all of you ;)

On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 6:42 PM, Andrew Green <greeniekin(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>   Probably best not to vote on this. As there will be
> people that don't
>  understand what I'm trying to do and what the actual consequences and
>  benefits are. I will just do it the way I see it in my mind, and you
>  guys can check out the results.
>  If you do have any interest you can of course contact me on irc or by email.
>
>  On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 12:42 AM, Andrew Green <greeniekin(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >   Actually they can't be merged at the moment.
> > They can be in seperate
> >  directories on the same cd eg reactos and reactoslive.
> >  This is how it was done for the dual boot cd's distributed, at that convention.
> >  The reason why is that usetup deletes smss.exe and replaces it with
> >  itself, and the livecd requires the original smss.exe
> >  also those cd's were 200mb+. Currently loading smss.exe is hardcoded
> >  into ntoskrnl.exe. So ntoskrnl.exe needs to be fixed.
> >  plus server files like ntoskrnl.exe,ntkrnlmp.exe,hal.exe, etc are
> >  identical to the livecd ones except are in the reactos folder instead
> >  of the system32 folder.
> >
> >  Also the reason I'm asking this is because my google summer of code
> >  project is to be able to install from the livecd.
> >
> >
> >
> >  On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 12:16 AM, Zachary Gorden
> >  <drakekaizer666(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > >   We already have the capability to merge the two. 
> > > But there's nothing
> > >  fundamentally broken in having two versions until such time as we can
> > >  actually install from the liveCD.  Until that happens, I don't see a
> > >  convincing argument for merging the two, since the ones outlined above seem
> > >  to boil down to "it might confuse people."
> > >
> > >  On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 4:57 AM, Timo Kreuzer <timo.kreuzer(a)web.de> wrote:
> > > >  
> > > >  Am 30.03.2011 10:42, schrieb Aleksey Bragin:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Disadvantages
> > > > >> -To download an iso to just install will be larger(A compressed
> > > > >> version could counter this. Though it's not ideal)
> > > > >
> > > > > Even additional 10Mb would become 100Mb when regress testing just 10
> > > > > revisions. There are many people (myself included) who don't have high-speed
> > > > > connection all the time too.
> > > >
> > > >  Although its a valid point, I understood it as we wanted to switch to a
> > > >  1st stage gui installer(?)
> > > >  In that case, we would need all the stuff for a livecd anyway.
> > > >  Maybe we should first evaluate how much memory this would really be.
> > > >
> > > >  Regards,
> > > >  Timo
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >  _______________________________________________
> > > >  Ros-dev mailing list
> > > >  Ros-dev(a)reactos.org
> > > >  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev 
> > >
> > >  _______________________________________________
> > >  Ros-dev mailing list
> > >  Ros-dev(a)reactos.org
> > >  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
> > >  
> >  
>

[Michael Martin]

Unfortunately I will not be able to make this meeting.
 
For the ReactOS member definition, It may be best to keep the definition vague. Something
like 
current members decide based on the persons involvement in testing and/or developing.
 
I am still slowly pluggin away on ehci driver. Slow partly due to limited time.
I am also back into Win32k a bit to get a break from USB, looking at fixing bug 5580 and
removing some duplicate code.
Also looking at reworking SendMessageCallback as I believe my original implementation was
not 100% correct. More testing I am doing will confirm. 
 
Looking forward to seeing notes from meeting, especially GSOC status.
 
Mike
 
 
>   Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 00:32:20 +0200
>  From: colin(a)reactos.org
>  To: ros-dev(a)reactos.org
>  Subject: [ros-dev] Meeting on Thursday
>  
>  Hi folks,
>  
>  As proposed in our urgent meeting in February, we are going to have 
>  regular meetings at 20:00 UTC on the last Thursday of every month. Next 
>  Thursday will be the first time to hold such a meeting.
>  
>  While I was preparing the technical side (we're going to have a 
>  dedicated IRC server with voting capabilities this time), Amine and 
>  Victor have come up with a meeting agenda. We have agreed on the 
>  following points in this order:
>  
>  - ReactOS member definition. Proposal is not to establish a fixed
>  definition, but decide upon always keeping a list of people and just
>  giving hints on how you can get on this list
>  - Current ReactOS work. Developers saying what they are working on
>  - Status of our GSoC participation, in particular students and mentors
>  - Upcoming LinuxTag event on 11th to 14th May
>  - Sum up of previous events, ideas for next ones
>  - Website revamp. Current status, who is working, who is willing to help
>  
>  You see that the list is more about inquiring and getting information 
>  than doing vital decisions this time. The agenda is also prioritized so 
>  that people may leave if they don't want to participate in website 
>  discussions for example.
>  If nobody else volunteers, Amine would be in the minute taker position 
>  again and I would take the meeting leader role.
>  
>  My current list of ReactOS members is as follows. Only these people will 
>  be able to participate in the discussions and votings, so please tell me 
>  if I have forgotten anybody or if you want to be added to this list:
>  
>  - Giannis Adamopoulos (smiley1_)
>  - Johannes Anderwald (janderwald)
>  - Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo (elhoir)
>  - Maciej Bialas (niski)
>  - Aleksey Bragin (abragin)
>  - Colin Finck (Colin_Finck)
>  - Danny Götte (dangerground)
>  - Cameron Gutman (aicom)
>  - Ziliang Guo (ZWabbit)
>  - Rafal Harabien (rafalh)
>  - Kamil Hornicek (Pigglesworth)
>  - Amine Khaldi (AmineKhaldi)
>  - Timo Kreuzer (tkreuzer)
>  - Matthias Kupfer (Collibri)
>  - Michael Martin (mjmartin)
>  - Victor Martinez (vicmarcal)
>  - Roel Messiant (Mephisto)
>  - Andrew Munger (WaxDragon)
>  - Ged Murphy (GedMurphy)
>  - Sylvain Petreolle (Usurp)
>  - Hervé Poussineau (hpoussin)
>  - Daniel Reimer (dreimer)
>  - Pierre Schweitzer (HeisSpiter)
>  - Samuel Serapion (encoded)
>  - Olaf Siejka (Caemyr)
>  - James Tabor (jimtabor)
>  - Art Yerkes (arty)
>  
>  Everybody may join the meeting channel as a non-participating observer 
>  though. I'll hand you all connection details when we're ready.
>  
>  With best regards,
>  
>  Colin
>  
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[Jérôme Gardou]

Unfortunately, I won't be able to make it either. By the way, even if my 
late activity is hindered by life schedule being quite erratic, could I 
request the honor of being considered as a ReactOS team member.

I'm looking forward the results of this meeting.

Best regards.
Jérôme.