ReactOS Setup Wizard Scroll Bar for Timezone.

[James Tabor]

Hi all!

Missing scroll bars for timezone.

FYI,
James

[K McI]

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James Tabor wrote:
| Hi all!
|
| Missing scroll bars for timezone.

Also, it's a VERY small box (3 can be seen at once), which makes it very
annoying if your in a zone that's far away from the ROS (And Windows
default of Tijuana (And Redmond)) default. Some version of Windows to it
this way and it's ANNOYING. I strongly suggest a much larger (10
viewable at a time, maybe) box for this.

~           -uniQ

PS. Also, why use the Windows default of Redmonds timezone? Why not
something like, like the area in which the selected language is the most
predominant?
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[Mike Swanson]

On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 20:54:10 -0500, K McI <uniq(a)wwsvr.bounceme.net> wrote:
>   PS. Also, why use the Windows default of Redmonds
> timezone? Why not
>  something like, like the area in which the selected language is the most
>  predominant? 
I don't mind the Windows default... I am in the Pacific Time Zone (Seattle) :P

[K McI]

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Mike Swanson wrote:
| I don't mind the Windows default... I am in the Pacific Time Zone
(Seattle) :P

But say you're in Germany. If you've previously told ROS that you speak
German, wouldn't it make sense to default to whatever timezone Germany
is in? (Windows may already do this, I don't know)

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[Adam Babcock]

K McI wrote:
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>  Mike Swanson wrote:
>  | I don't mind the Windows default... I am in the Pacific Time Zone
>  (Seattle) :P
>  
>  But say you're in Germany. If you've previously told ROS that you speak
>  German, wouldn't it make sense to default to whatever timezone Germany
>  is in? (Windows may already do this, I don't know)
>  
>  ~         -uniQ
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While it makes sense, windows does not already do this.

[Alex Ionescu]

Adam Babcock wrote:

>   K McI wrote:
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> >  Mike Swanson wrote:
> >  | I don't mind the Windows default... I am in the Pacific Time Zone
> >  (Seattle) :P
> >
> >  But say you're in Germany. If you've previously told ROS that you speak
> >  German, wouldn't it make sense to default to whatever timezone Germany
> >  is in? (Windows may already do this, I don't know)
> >  
>  While it makes sense, windows does not already do this.
>  
I don't think that's a valid assumption. Many of us choose French as 
default language, but we wouldn't want to be placed in the France 
timezone. Of course, Windows does ask for "Location", and it should at 
least use that for a timezone guess, but the language selection 
shouldn't be a factory, imo. Unless you want to get into bloated code 
such as if (Location == CANADA && Language == FR) Timezone = Quebec.

Then again, choosing Seattle isn't better either. I would just start 
with GMT as default. Makes everyone happy.

Best regards,
Alex Ionescu

[Adam Babcock]

Alex Ionescu wrote:
>   Adam Babcock wrote:
>  
> >   K McI wrote:
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> > >  Mike Swanson wrote:
> > >  | I don't mind the Windows default... I am in the Pacific Time Zone
> > >  (Seattle) :P
> > >
> > >  But say you're in Germany. If you've previously told ROS that you speak
> > >  German, wouldn't it make sense to default to whatever timezone Germany
> > >  is in? (Windows may already do this, I don't know)
> > >  
> >  While it makes sense, windows does not already do this.
> >  
>  I don't think that's a valid assumption. Many of us choose French as 
>  default language, but we wouldn't want to be placed in the France 
>  timezone. Of course, Windows does ask for "Location", and it should at 
>  least use that for a timezone guess, but the language selection 
>  shouldn't be a factory, imo. Unless you want to get into bloated code 
>  such as if (Location == CANADA && Language == FR) Timezone = Quebec.
>  
>  Then again, choosing Seattle isn't better either. I would just start 
>  with GMT as default. Makes everyone happy.
>  
>  Best regards,
>  Alex Ionescu
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As I also live in Montreal, I can't believe I didn't think about that. 
Having ROS select a default timezone based on location also would not 
work, even your example based on location and language, for example, 
there are a large number of French speaking people living in Alberta. 
Perhaps starting with GMT would be the best for a default.

[K McI]

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Alex Ionescu wrote:
| As I also live in Montreal, I can't believe I didn't think about that.
| Having ROS select a default timezone based on location also would not
| work, even your example based on location and language, for example,
| there are a large number of French speaking people living in Alberta.
| Perhaps starting with GMT would be the best for a default.

Isn't the code for French in Canada different then the one in France,
like fr-CA and fr-FR? Or are they both the same?

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[Adam Babcock]

K McI wrote:
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>  Alex Ionescu wrote:
>  | As I also live in Montreal, I can't believe I didn't think about that.
>  | Having ROS select a default timezone based on location also would not
>  | work, even your example based on location and language, for example,
>  | there are a large number of French speaking people living in Alberta.
>  | Perhaps starting with GMT would be the best for a default.
>  
>  Isn't the code for French in Canada different then the one in France,
>  like fr-CA and fr-FR? Or are they both the same?
>  
>  ~           -uniQ
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They are different, but that doesn't change the fact that French in 
Quebec is not the same as French in Alberta or anywhere else in Canada, 
and the timezone difference is huge.

[K McI]

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Adam Babcock wrote:
| They are different, but that doesn't change the fact that French in
| Quebec is not the same as French in Alberta or anywhere else in Canada,
| and the timezone difference is huge.

The point is, if you pick the fr-CA one, it should change to the Quebec
zone, not the French one.

~         -uniQ
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[Alex Ionescu]

K McI wrote:

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>  Adam Babcock wrote:
>  | They are different, but that doesn't change the fact that French in
>  | Quebec is not the same as French in Alberta or anywhere else in Canada,
>  | and the timezone difference is huge.
>
>  The point is, if you pick the fr-CA one, it should change to the Quebec
>  zone, not the French one.
>  
The point is you might be a French Canadian living in Alberta.

Best regards,
Alex Ionescu

[Alex Ionescu]

K McI wrote:

>  
>  Isn't the code for French in Canada different then the one in France,
>  like fr-CA and fr-FR? Or are they both the same?
>  
Yes, but then again people in New Brunswick/Alberta may speak French, 
since we are such a huge country.

Best regards,
Alex Ionescu

[Alex Ionescu]

Adam Babcock wrote:

>   As I also live in Montreal, I can't believe I
> didn't think about that. 
>  Having ROS select a default timezone based on location also would not 
>  work, even your example based on location and language, for example, 
>  there are a large number of French speaking people living in Alberta. 
>  Perhaps starting with GMT would be the best for a default.
>  
Please don't overquote 2 different ML Footers + a whole PGP Signature. 
Some of our readers are on 56K modems and it also makes reading through 
replies much more tedious.

I hope you've finished the math module..

Best regards,
Alex Ionescu

[K McI]

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Alex Ionescu wrote:
| Please don't overquote 2 different ML Footers + a whole PGP Signature.
| Some of our readers are on 56K modems and it also makes reading through
| replies much more tedious.
|
| I hope you've finished the math module..
|
| Best regards,
| Alex Ionescu

Err, was that quoting business aimed @ me or Adam?

~        -uniQ

PS. I'll admit that my idea has some problems with it, but I was just
railing @ the fact that someone who is not very likely to live in the
same zone as Redmond would have to correct ROS/Windows every time they
installed.
	I admit that my method might result in being some zones off, but @least
it's trying to be intelligent, instead of just assuming that everyone
lives in GMT -8.
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[Alex Ionescu]

K McI wrote:,

>  
>  Err, was that quoting business aimed @ me or Adam? 
Adam.

>  
>  PS. I'll admit that my idea has some problems with it, but I was just
>  railing @ the fact that someone who is not very likely to live in the
>  same zone as Redmond would have to correct ROS/Windows every time they
>  installed. 
But it's just as false of an assumption as any other to base it on 
location/language.

>       I admit that my method might result in being some
> zones off, but 
>  @least
>  it's trying to be intelligent, instead of just assuming that everyone
>  lives in GMT -8. 
The most intelligent solution is to stick to GMT 0.

Best regards,
Alex Ionescu

[K McI]

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Alex Ionescu wrote:
|> PS. I'll admit that my idea has some problems with it, but I was just
|> railing @ the fact that someone who is not very likely to live in the
|> same zone as Redmond would have to correct ROS/Windows every time they
|> installed.
|
|
| But it's just as false of an assumption as any other to base it on
| location/language.

Wait, aren't location and timezones the SAME thing, or at least based
off of the other?

|>     I admit that my method might result in being some zones off, but
|> @least
|> it's trying to be intelligent, instead of just assuming that everyone
|> lives in GMT -8.
|
|
| The most intelligent solution is to stick to GMT 0.

Then we might as well keep it @ GMT -8

~           -uniQ
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[Adam Babcock]

K McI wrote:
>   Err, was that quoting business aimed @ me or Adam?
>   PS. I'll admit that my idea has some problems with
> it, but I was just
>  railing @ the fact that someone who is not very likely to live in the
>  same zone as Redmond would have to correct ROS/Windows every time they
>  installed.
>      I admit that my method might result in being some zones off, but @least
>  it's trying to be intelligent, instead of just assuming that everyone
>  lives in GMT -8. 
I am pretty sure that was aimed at me, my bad, sorry about that Alex. I 
didn't realize that it was you, forgot that you are a developer, and 
yes, I finished the math module, well, sort of...{read -> I'll do it 
tonight ;)}
As for the timezone, I agree with you K McI that it should intelligently 
pick the timezone, but I think it is just too difficult, especially with 
very metropolitain nations such as Canada. I suggest one of two things:
1) Stick with GMT as a default
2) Pick some neutral default considered the "home" of ROS, I believe 
Windows defaults to GMT -8 because of the location of Microsoft HQ 
{Redmond, Washington}

[K McI]

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Adam Babcock wrote:
| As for the timezone, I agree with you K McI that it should intelligently
| pick the timezone, but I think it is just too difficult, especially with
| very metropolitain nations such as Canada.

While attempting to guess the location isn't going to be successful 100%
of the time, it would probably be better then the 99% incorrect that you
get with always defaulting to 1 set zone.

Also, are there any other user-set preferences that come before the
date/time page (How do you call the different parts of Setup?) that
might help determining location?

~         -uniQ

PS. Thought into the future, but if we get update/download mirrors,
could we do those by timezone or vice versa?
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"K McI" <uniq(a)wwsvr.bounceme.net> wrote:

>   Also, it's a VERY small box (3 can be seen at
> once), which makes it very
>  annoying if your in a zone that's far away from the ROS (And Windows
>  default of Tijuana (And Redmond)) default. Some version of Windows to it
>  this way and it's ANNOYING. I strongly suggest a much larger (10
>  viewable at a time, maybe) box for this. 
Ok, I'll make the timezone combobox a bit larger and use a different default
timezone for the US.


Regards,
Eric

"James Tabor" <jimtabor(a)adsl-64-217-116-74.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net> wrote:


>   Missing scroll bars for timezone. 
This is a bug in the combobox control but no bug in the syssetup dll.


Regards,
Eric