RE: [ros-dev] Release 0.2.6

[Murphy, Ged (Bolton)]

Agreed.

It'll be good for publicity too. 
Regular minor releases are better than infrequent major releases.

Gedi.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jason Filby [mailto:[e-mail]] 
Sent: 23 February 2005 17:57
To: ReactOS Development List
Subject: [ros-dev] Release 0.2.6


Hi all

The consensus on IRC appears to be that we need another 0.2.x release.
The reason is that 0.3 is our "network" release and there's still some
work to do to justify this.

Everyone agree?

Cheers
Jason
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[Karim Liman-Tinguiri]

Greetings everyone,

I totally agree with Murphy and I believe we should launch another
0.2.x release before the next 0.3 release. I think before we can
launch a 0.3 release, we need to have a solid support for Win32
drivers: networking doesn't limit to LAN-Ethernet, but it also
includes PPP and modem connection (analogic and broadband).

With the growing amounts of winmodems, Win32 driver support must
definitely be implemented before claiming "networking support": this
is one of the weaker points of Linux: driver compatibility (though
lots of efforts are being made by manufacturers and hackers), many
drivers are still only available on the windows platform. It'd be much
cheaper, programming-effort wise, to natively support windows driver
than try to port them to ReactOS, (I'm not even mentionning the case
of closed-source drivers and undocumented hardware).

As is stated in the status page of the library "Driver Support At the
moment, work to support 3rd party drivers (Microsoft Windows
compatible) is restricted. The focus is more on only basic drivers
that are written in conjunction with the various kernel facilities." ;
there's not much 3rd party Microsft Driver support. It'd definitely
have to be implemented before 0.3 release.

On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 08:09:07 -0000, Murphy,  Ged (Bolton)
<MurphyG(a)cmpbatteries.co.uk> wrote:
>   Agreed.
>  
>  It'll be good for publicity too.
>  Regular minor releases are better than infrequent major releases.
>  
>  Gedi.
>  
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: Jason Filby [mailto:[e-mail]]
>  Sent: 23 February 2005 17:57
>  To: ReactOS Development List
>  Subject: [ros-dev] Release 0.2.6
>  
>  Hi all
>  
>  The consensus on IRC appears to be that we need another 0.2.x release.
>  The reason is that 0.3 is our "network" release and there's still some
>  work to do to justify this.
>  
>  Everyone agree?
>  
>  Cheers
>  Jason
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[Jonathan Wilson]

If there is anything I can do to help get my RTL8180 based 802.11b WiFi LAN 
card working under ReactOS, let me know.
Writing actual code is out (since I dont have any kernel skills or enough 
time to write kernel code) but I can certainly test ROS on my card (well I 
could if my USB Microsoft Optical Intellimouse was working :)

[Richard Campbell]

If we were to do that 0.3 would be delayed WELL into next year.  A RAS 
compatible PPP implementation would be ALOT of work.

Karim Liman-Tinguiri wrote:

>  Greetings everyone,
>
> I totally agree with Murphy and I believe we should launch another
> 0.2.x release before the next 0.3 release. I think before we can
> launch a 0.3 release, we need to have a solid support for Win32
> drivers: networking doesn't limit to LAN-Ethernet, but it also
> includes PPP and modem connection (analogic and broadband).
>
> With the growing amounts of winmodems, Win32 driver support must
> definitely be implemented before claiming "networking support": this
> is one of the weaker points of Linux: driver compatibility (though
> lots of efforts are being made by manufacturers and hackers), many
> drivers are still only available on the windows platform. It'd be much
> cheaper, programming-effort wise, to natively support windows driver
> than try to port them to ReactOS, (I'm not even mentionning the case
> of closed-source drivers and undocumented hardware).
>
> As is stated in the status page of the library "Driver Support At the
> moment, work to support 3rd party drivers (Microsoft Windows
> compatible) is restricted. The focus is more on only basic drivers
> that are written in conjunction with the various kernel facilities." ;
> there's not much 3rd party Microsft Driver support. It'd definitely
> have to be implemented before 0.3 release.
>
> On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 08:09:07 -0000, Murphy,  Ged (Bolton)
> <MurphyG(a)cmpbatteries.co.uk> wrote:
>   
>
> >  Agreed.
> >
> > It'll be good for publicity too.
> > Regular minor releases are better than infrequent major releases.
> >
> > Gedi.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jason Filby [mailto:[e-mail]]
> > Sent: 23 February 2005 17:57
> > To: ReactOS Development List
> > Subject: [ros-dev] Release 0.2.6
> >
> > Hi all
> >
> > The consensus on IRC appears to be that we need another 0.2.x release.
> > The reason is that 0.3 is our "network" release and there's still some
> > work to do to justify this.
> >
> > Everyone agree?
> >
> > Cheers
> > Jason
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[Jonathan Wilson]

>   If we were to do that 0.3 would be delayed WELL into
> next year.  A RAS 
>  compatible PPP implementation would be ALOT of work. 
At minumum, it would be nice
to have things working for people who use a 
broadband (cable/DSL/whatever) router to share an internet connection 
between computers (do we have a DHCP client yet? If not, how hard would 
writing one be?)

[Filip Navara]

Jonathan Wilson wrote:

> >   If we were to
> > do that 0.3 would be delayed WELL into next year.  A 
> >  RAS compatible PPP implementation would be ALOT of work. 
>  At minumum, it would be nice to have things working for people who use 
>  a broadband (cable/DSL/whatever) router to share an internet 
>  connection between computers 
That works, at least for me.

>   (do we have a DHCP client yet? If not, how hard would
> writing one be?) 
No; propably not much, but the TCP/IP configuration IOCTLs must be 
implemented (IOCTL_TCP_SET_INFORMATION_EX IIRC) and propably some work 
on iphlpapi will be needed too.

Regards,
Filip

[Steven Edwards]

Hi,
I've added a list of minor enhancements and bug fixes I would like to see before we
release 2.6.
Feel free to remove anything thats not a regression.

http://reactos.com/wiki/index.php/0.2.x/0.2.6

Thanks
Steven



		
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[Jason Filby]

Shouldn't we be going into Feature Freeze about now?

Cheers
Jason

On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 08:01:41 -0800 (PST), Steven Edwards
<steven_ed4153(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>   Hi,
>  I've added a list of minor enhancements and bug fixes I would like to see before we
> release 2.6.
>  Feel free to remove anything thats not a regression.
>  
>  http://reactos.com/wiki/index.php/0.2.x/0.2.6
>  
>  Thanks
>  Steven
>  
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[Steven Edwards]

--- Jason Filby <jason.filby(a)gmail.com> wrote:

>   Shouldn't we be going into Feature Freeze about
> now? 
I except half the list is regressions. This is more for bug that need to be fixed before
we can
release rather than new features.

Thanks
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[Gedi]

Jason Filby wrote:

>  Shouldn't we be going into Feature Freeze about
> now?
>
> Cheers
> Jason
>
>   
>  
Can we agree to on a date to freeze?
Maybe this weekend?

Ged.

[Jason Filby]

Hi

We are actually due for this weekend.

Robert: Can you branch off for 0.2.6?

Thanks
Jason

On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 00:47:33 +0000, Gedi <gedi(a)ntlworld.com> wrote:
>   Can we agree to on a date to freeze?
>  Maybe this weekend?
>  
>  Ged.

[Karim Liman-Tinguiri]

Well,

It wouldn't be that much amount of work since PPP is already above the
hardware/driver layer: it's a protocol. It therefore means we can
simply pick the source code for a Linux ppp-enabled dialer such as
wvdial and adapt it for ReactOS.

After that, all that remains is to finish art yerkers' serial library
in order to enable usage of at least non-winmodems (for example serial
port modems) and little touchups (such as writing modem initialization
scripts etc until the control is passed to ppp).

The big work (this can be deffered from the 0.3 release) will be to
implement WinModem driver support which is definitely compulsory for
ReactOS since most windows users that connect through an internal
modem have a winmodem.


On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 07:24:41 -0500, Richard Campbell
<eek2121(a)comcast.net> wrote:
>   If we were to do that 0.3 would be delayed WELL into
> next year.  A RAS
>  compatible PPP implementation would be ALOT of work.
>  
>  Karim Liman-Tinguiri wrote:
>  
> >  Greetings everyone,
> >
> > I totally agree with Murphy and I believe we should launch another
> > 0.2.x release before the next 0.3 release. I think before we can
> > launch a 0.3 release, we need to have a solid support for Win32
> > drivers: networking doesn't limit to LAN-Ethernet, but it also
> > includes PPP and modem connection (analogic and broadband).
> >
> > With the growing amounts of winmodems, Win32 driver support must
> > definitely be implemented before claiming "networking support": this
> > is one of the weaker points of Linux: driver compatibility (though
> > lots of efforts are being made by manufacturers and hackers), many
> > drivers are still only available on the windows platform. It'd be much
> > cheaper, programming-effort wise, to natively support windows driver
> > than try to port them to ReactOS, (I'm not even mentionning the case
> > of closed-source drivers and undocumented hardware).
> >
> > As is stated in the status page of the library "Driver Support At the
> > moment, work to support 3rd party drivers (Microsoft Windows
> > compatible) is restricted. The focus is more on only basic drivers
> > that are written in conjunction with the various kernel facilities." ;
> > there's not much 3rd party Microsft Driver support. It'd definitely
> > have to be implemented before 0.3 release.
> >
> > On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 08:09:07 -0000, Murphy,  Ged (Bolton)
> > <MurphyG(a)cmpbatteries.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >
> > >  Agreed.
> > >
> > > It'll be good for publicity too.
> > > Regular minor releases are better than infrequent major releases.
> > >
> > > Gedi.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Jason Filby [mailto:[e-mail]]
> > > Sent: 23 February 2005 17:57
> > > To: ReactOS Development List
> > > Subject: [ros-dev] Release 0.2.6
> > >
> > > Hi all
> > >
> > > The consensus on IRC appears to be that we need another 0.2.x release.
> > > The reason is that 0.3 is our "network" release and there's still some
> > > work to do to justify this.
> > >
> > > Everyone agree?
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > > Jason
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[Alex Ionescu]

Karim Liman-Tinguiri wrote:

>  Well,
>
> It wouldn't be that much amount of work since PPP is already above the
> hardware/driver layer: it's a protocol. It therefore means we can
> simply pick the source code for a Linux ppp-enabled dialer such as
> wvdial and adapt it for ReactOS.
>   
>  
Not really, you are forgetting RAS and all the other services/features 
which windows provides. It would be a brute and ugly approache, imo, so 
simply copy a Linux dialer.

>  After that, all that remains is to finish art
> yerkers' serial library
> in order to enable usage of at least non-winmodems (for example serial
> port modems) and little touchups (such as writing modem initialization
> scripts etc until the control is passed to ppp).
>
> The big work (this can be deffered from the 0.3 release) will be to
> implement WinModem driver support which is definitely compulsory for
> ReactOS since most windows users that connect through an internal
> modem have a winmodem.
>   
>  
Best regards,
Alex Ionescu