Audit for non-code things?

[theUser BL]

I have tried out the SVN-Snapshot of ROS 3.0 by EmuandCo:
http://www.reactos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1741#14146

At first, I want to say, that the ReactOS-Explorer looks a lot of nicer. And 
some bugs are fixed. Nice work.

Then I have looked at the program-icons.
sol.exe and winefile.exe seems to use icons from old Windows-Versions 
(Windows 3.x/95/98/NT4).
And with taskmgr.exe I am not sure, if the icon is from Windows or at own 
designed.
All three programs comming from WINE and not from ReactOS. But is legal to 
using it?

More woders me the new ReactOS Notepad.
If you click on Help -> About, then there opens a window where stands:
  Icon borrowed from Notepad2 - http://www.flos-freeware.ch/notepad2.html

But Notepad2 have borrowed it from Microsofts WindowsXP Notepad.
It is funny to see, how the original creater of the icon, isn't named - but 
instead
of it, an other one is named.
But the program notepad++ (http://notepad-plus.sourceforge.net/) is 
OpenSource (GPL) and thats icon you could be used.

After that, I looked with Microsofts fontview.exe (the program is part of 
every MS-Windows) in the text inside the fonts of ROS.
There are copyrighted fonts by Adobe, Bitstream, IBM, Sun and Transgaming.
And there are some Bitstream fonts in which stands:
Copyright 1990 as an unpublished work by Bitstream Inc. All rights reserved. 
Confidential.

Confidential? Unpublished? From where comes then the fonts?
The fonts in which this stand are
c0419bt_.ttf, c0582bt_.ttf, c0583bt_.ttf, c0611bt_.ttf, c0632bt_.ttf, 
c0633bt_.ttf,
c0648bt_.ttf and c0649bt_.ttf.
Ok, the Copyright is from 1990 (for 16 years!), but is it legal to use this 
fonts?

Instead you could use the following fonts:
http://dejavu.sourceforge.net/
http://linuxlibertine.sourceforge.net/
http://scripts.sil.org/cms/scripts/page.php?site_id=nrsi&item_id=Gentiu…

Greatings
theuserbl

[Aleksey Bragin]

Audit doesn't touch only source code -- it does touch artwork also.

Thanks for your information - I think mf is familiar with artwork, and could 
audit it, and fix such errors. And I know he already began the process - 
results were in the 'audited' repository, and should have been transferred 
to svn://svn.reactos.org/reactos/trunk/reactos .


WBR,
Aleksey Bragin.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "theUser BL" <theuserbl(a)hotmail.com>
To: <ros-dev(a)reactos.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 3:24 PM
Subject: [ros-dev] Audit for non-code things?


>  I have tried out the SVN-Snapshot of ROS 3.0 by
> EmuandCo:
>  http://www.reactos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1741#14146
>
>  At first, I want to say, that the ReactOS-Explorer looks a lot of nicer. 
>  And some bugs are fixed. Nice work.
>
>  Then I have looked at the program-icons.
>  sol.exe and winefile.exe seems to use icons from old Windows-Versions 
>  (Windows 3.x/95/98/NT4).
>  And with taskmgr.exe I am not sure, if the icon is from Windows or at own 
>  designed.
>  All three programs comming from WINE and not from ReactOS. But is legal to 
>  using it?
>
>  More woders me the new ReactOS Notepad.
>  If you click on Help -> About, then there opens a window where stands:
>   Icon borrowed from Notepad2 - http://www.flos-freeware.ch/notepad2.html
>
>  But Notepad2 have borrowed it from Microsofts WindowsXP Notepad.
>  It is funny to see, how the original creater of the icon, isn't named - 
>  but instead
>  of it, an other one is named.
>  But the program notepad++ (http://notepad-plus.sourceforge.net/) is 
>  OpenSource (GPL) and thats icon you could be used.
>
>  After that, I looked with Microsofts fontview.exe (the program is part of 
>  every MS-Windows) in the text inside the fonts of ROS.
>  There are copyrighted fonts by Adobe, Bitstream, IBM, Sun and Transgaming.
>  And there are some Bitstream fonts in which stands:
>  Copyright 1990 as an unpublished work by Bitstream Inc. All rights 
>  reserved. Confidential.
>
>  Confidential? Unpublished? From where comes then the fonts?
>  The fonts in which this stand are
>  c0419bt_.ttf, c0582bt_.ttf, c0583bt_.ttf, c0611bt_.ttf, c0632bt_.ttf, 
>  c0633bt_.ttf,
>  c0648bt_.ttf and c0649bt_.ttf.
>  Ok, the Copyright is from 1990 (for 16 years!), but is it legal to use 
>  this fonts?
>
>  Instead you could use the following fonts:
>  http://dejavu.sourceforge.net/
>  http://linuxlibertine.sourceforge.net/
>
> http://scripts.sil.org/cms/scripts/page.php?site_id=nrsi&item_id=Gentiu…
>
>  Greatings
>  theuserbl
>
>
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>  Ros-dev mailing list
>  Ros-dev(a)reactos.org
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[art yerkes]

On Thu, 2 Mar 2006 16:08:25 +0300
"Aleksey Bragin" <aleksey(a)studiocerebral.com> wrote:

>   Audit doesn't touch only source code -- it does
> touch artwork also.
>  
>  Thanks for your information - I think mf is familiar with artwork, and could 
>  audit it, and fix such errors. And I know he already began the process - 
>  results were in the 'audited' repository, and should have been transferred 
>  to svn://svn.reactos.org/reactos/trunk/reactos .
>  
>  
>  WBR,
>  Aleksey Bragin.
>  
>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>  From: "theUser BL" <theuserbl(a)hotmail.com>
>  To: <ros-dev(a)reactos.org>
>  Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 3:24 PM
>  Subject: [ros-dev] Audit for non-code things?
>  
>  
>  >I have tried out the SVN-Snapshot of ROS 3.0 by EmuandCo:
>  > http://www.reactos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1741#14146
>  >
>  > At first, I want to say, that the ReactOS-Explorer looks a lot of nicer. 
>  > And some bugs are fixed. Nice work.
>  >
>  > Then I have looked at the program-icons.
>  > sol.exe and winefile.exe seems to use icons from old Windows-Versions 
>  > (Windows 3.x/95/98/NT4).
>  > And with taskmgr.exe I am not sure, if the icon is from Windows or at own 
>  > designed.
>  > All three programs comming from WINE and not from ReactOS. But is legal to 
>  > using it?
>  >
>  > More woders me the new ReactOS Notepad.
>  > If you click on Help -> About, then there opens a window where stands:
>  >  Icon borrowed from Notepad2 - http://www.flos-freeware.ch/notepad2.html
>  >
>  > But Notepad2 have borrowed it from Microsofts WindowsXP Notepad.
>  > It is funny to see, how the original creater of the icon, isn't named - 
>  > but instead
>  > of it, an other one is named.
>  > But the program notepad++ (http://notepad-plus.sourceforge.net/) is 
>  > OpenSource (GPL) and thats icon you could be used.
>  >
>  > After that, I looked with Microsofts fontview.exe (the program is part of 
>  > every MS-Windows) in the text inside the fonts of ROS.
>  > There are copyrighted fonts by Adobe, Bitstream, IBM, Sun and Transgaming.
>  > And there are some Bitstream fonts in which stands:
>  > Copyright 1990 as an unpublished work by Bitstream Inc. All rights 
>  > reserved. Confidential.
>  >
>  > Confidential? Unpublished? From where comes then the fonts?
>  > The fonts in which this stand are
>  > c0419bt_.ttf, c0582bt_.ttf, c0583bt_.ttf, c0611bt_.ttf, c0632bt_.ttf, 
>  > c0633bt_.ttf,
>  > c0648bt_.ttf and c0649bt_.ttf.
>  > Ok, the Copyright is from 1990 (for 16 years!), but is it legal to use 
>  > this fonts?
>  >
>  > Instead you could use the following fonts:
>  > http://dejavu.sourceforge.net/
>  > http://linuxlibertine.sourceforge.net/
>  >
> http://scripts.sil.org/cms/scripts/page.php?site_id=nrsi&item_id=Gentiu…
>  >
>  > Greatings
>  > theuserbl 
The font copyrights are right there in media/fonts/doc.  Yes all the
fonts are legally distributed.
-- 
Discordant is the murmur at such treading down of lovely things while
god's most lordly gift to man is decency of mind.  Call that man only
blest who has in sweet tranquility brought his life to close.
If only I could act as such, my hope is good.
-- Aeschylus' Agamemnon (translated by H. W. Smyth)

[Magnus Olsen]

Hi
All fonts comes from a project call  Bitstream Vera Fonts if I rember right
from my head and they are free to use. devjuv fonts comes from begin threre
from as well. But we can not use them in offcial release for some smaller
bugs.
example cmd and some other part of reactos. We have talk to change to devjuv
fonts for it support more uncode charters  that current fonts does



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "theUser BL" <theuserbl(a)hotmail.com>
To: <ros-dev(a)reactos.org>
Sent: den 2 March 2006 13:24
Subject: [ros-dev] Audit for non-code things?


>   I have tried out the SVN-Snapshot of ROS 3.0 by
> EmuandCo:
>  http://www.reactos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1741#14146
>
>  At first, I want to say, that the ReactOS-Explorer looks a lot of nicer. 
And
>   some bugs are fixed. Nice work.
>
>  Then I have looked at the program-icons.
>  sol.exe and winefile.exe seems to use icons from old Windows-Versions
>  (Windows 3.x/95/98/NT4).
>  And with taskmgr.exe I am not sure, if the icon is from Windows or at own
>  designed.
>  All three programs comming from WINE and not from ReactOS. But is legal to
>  using it?
>
>  More woders me the new ReactOS Notepad.
>  If you click on Help -> About, then there opens a window where stands:
>    Icon borrowed from Notepad2 - http://www.flos-freeware.ch/notepad2.html
>
>  But Notepad2 have borrowed it from Microsofts WindowsXP Notepad.
>  It is funny to see, how the original creater of the icon, isn't named - 
but
>   instead
>  of it, an other one is named.
>  But the program notepad++ (http://notepad-plus.sourceforge.net/) is
>  OpenSource (GPL) and thats icon you could be used.
>
>  After that, I looked with Microsofts fontview.exe (the program is part of
>  every MS-Windows) in the text inside the fonts of ROS.
>  There are copyrighted fonts by Adobe, Bitstream, IBM, Sun and Transgaming.
>  And there are some Bitstream fonts in which stands:
>  Copyright 1990 as an unpublished work by Bitstream Inc. All rights 
reserved.
>   Confidential.
>
>  Confidential? Unpublished? From where comes then the fonts?
>  The fonts in which this stand are
>  c0419bt_.ttf, c0582bt_.ttf, c0583bt_.ttf, c0611bt_.ttf, c0632bt_.ttf,
>  c0633bt_.ttf,
>  c0648bt_.ttf and c0649bt_.ttf.
>  Ok, the Copyright is from 1990 (for 16 years!), but is it legal to use 
this
>   fonts?
>
>  Instead you could use the following fonts:
>  http://dejavu.sourceforge.net/
>  http://linuxlibertine.sourceforge.net/
http://scripts.sil.org/cms/scripts/page.php?site_id=nrsi&item_id=Gentiu…
>  
>  Greatings
>  theuserbl
>
>
>  _______________________________________________
>  Ros-dev mailing list
>  Ros-dev(a)reactos.org
>  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev

[Timo Kreuzer]

What about Gentium and Doulos? They are released under SIL Open Font 
License and contain a lot of Unicode chars. But they are serif fonts, 
looking similar to Times New Roman. They may be interesting for ROS, too.

Magnus Olsen schrieb:
>   Hi
>  All fonts comes from a project call  Bitstream Vera Fonts if I rember right
>  from my head and they are free to use. devjuv fonts comes from begin threre
>  from as well. But we can not use them in offcial release for some smaller
>  bugs.
>  example cmd and some other part of reactos. We have talk to change to devjuv
>  fonts for it support more uncode charters  that current fonts does
>
>

[Magnus Olsen]

Hi
Can u send a link to them fonts so we can read the licen and test them in
reactos.

BestReagds
Magnus Olsen
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Timo Kreuzer" <timo.kreuzer(a)web.de>
To: "ReactOS Development List" <ros-dev(a)reactos.org>
Sent: den 3 March 2006 01:12
Subject: Re: [ros-dev] Audit for non-code things?


>   What about Gentium and Doulos? They are released under
> SIL Open Font
>  License and contain a lot of Unicode chars. But they are serif fonts,
>  looking similar to Times New Roman. They may be interesting for ROS, too.
>
>  Magnus Olsen schrieb:
>  > Hi
>  > All fonts comes from a project call  Bitstream Vera Fonts if I rember 
right
>   > from my head and they are free to use. devjuv
> fonts comes from begin 
threre
>   > from as well. But we can not use them in offcial
> release for some 
smaller
>   > bugs.
>  > example cmd and some other part of reactos. We have talk to change to 
devjuv
> >   fonts for it
> > support more uncode charters  that current fonts does
> >
> >  
>  _______________________________________________
>  Ros-dev mailing list
>  Ros-dev(a)reactos.org
>  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev

[Timo Kreuzer]

The main site is http://scripts.sil.org. You can find links to font 
downloads and the license there.

I think Doulos SIL is pretty interesting. It looks very similar to Times 
N R and has almost all Roman- and Cyrillic- characters. But it's missing 
italic and bold types and they are not planned. But as it is Open Font 
License, it is allowed to change them and create these styles.
They also have other fonts like Arabic and Hebrew

And there are more Open Source fonts at http://www.nongnu.org/freefont/

Maybe it would be a good idea, to make a wiki page adressing all font 
concerns. Like what fonts do we need, what fonts are there with a GPL 
compatible license, is it allowed to change these fonts, how should 
fonts be named, what unicode characters should be in these fonts,... I 
think I will do this now...

Magnus Olsen schrieb:
>   Hi
>  Can u send a link to them fonts so we can read the licen and test them in
>  reactos.
>
>  BestReagds
>  Magnus Olsen
>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>  From: "Timo Kreuzer" <timo.kreuzer(a)web.de>
>  To: "ReactOS Development List" <ros-dev(a)reactos.org>
>  Sent: den 3 March 2006 01:12
>  Subject: Re: [ros-dev] Audit for non-code things?
>
>
>    
> > What about Gentium and Doulos? They are released under SIL Open Font
> > License and contain a lot of Unicode chars. But they are serif fonts,
> > looking similar to Times New Roman. They may be interesting for ROS, too.
> >

[art yerkes]

On Thu, 2 Mar 2006 19:55:55 +0100
"Magnus Olsen" <magnus(a)itkonsult-olsen.com> wrote:

>   Hi
>  All fonts comes from a project call  Bitstream Vera Fonts if I rember right
>  from my head and they are free to use. devjuv fonts comes from begin threre
>  from as well. But we can not use them in offcial release for some smaller
>  bugs.
>  example cmd and some other part of reactos. We have talk to change to devjuv
>  fonts for it support more uncode charters  that current fonts does
>   
No we imported X fonts where permitted and used TGMarlett for window titles
(also permitted, see media/fonts/doc)

-- 
Discordant is the murmur at such treading down of lovely things while
god's most lordly gift to man is decency of mind.  Call that man only
blest who has in sweet tranquility brought his life to close.
If only I could act as such, my hope is good.
-- Aeschylus' Agamemnon (translated by H. W. Smyth)

[Magnus Olsen]

Hi
arty the x fonts comes direcly from  Bitstream Vera Fonts  as well

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "art yerkes" <ayerkes(a)speakeasy.net>
To: "ReactOS Development List" <ros-dev(a)reactos.org>
Cc: <magnus(a)itkonsult-olsen.com>
Sent: den 3 March 2006 02:06
Subject: Re: [ros-dev] Audit for non-code things?


>   On Thu, 2 Mar 2006 19:55:55 +0100
>  "Magnus Olsen" <magnus(a)itkonsult-olsen.com> wrote:
>
>  > Hi
>  > All fonts comes from a project call  Bitstream Vera Fonts if I rember 
right
>   > from my head and they are free to use. devjuv
> fonts comes from begin 
threre
>   > from as well. But we can not use them in offcial
> release for some 
smaller
>   > bugs.
>  > example cmd and some other part of reactos. We have talk to change to 
devjuv
> >   fonts for it
> > support more uncode charters  that current fonts does
> >  
>  No we imported X fonts where permitted and used TGMarlett for window 
titles
>   (also permitted, see media/fonts/doc)
>
>  -- 
>  Discordant is the murmur at such treading down of lovely things while
>  god's most lordly gift to man is decency of mind.  Call that man only
>  blest who has in sweet tranquility brought his life to close.
>  If only I could act as such, my hope is good.
>  -- Aeschylus' Agamemnon (translated by H. W. Smyth)
>  _______________________________________________
>  Ros-dev mailing list
>  Ros-dev(a)reactos.org
>  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev