RE: [ros-dev] Prelude to voting for the Testing Coordinator Roles andResponsibilities.

[Murphy, Ged (Bolton)]

Ge van Geldorp wrote:
>   
>  Yes, that is what RC1 is for. It is supposed to be made immediately after
>  branching, when entering feature freeze. It's status is basically no more
>  than that of a random svn version. Perhaps "RC1" is a misnomer. 
<snip> 
>   Perhaps we should call
>  it "FF" (Feature Freeze) instead and rename RC2 to "CF" (Code
> Freeze)? 
My understanding of RC in the software world is a Release Candidate, meaning
we have removed every bug we could find and we think this software is now
ready for release.

Therefore I think RC gives out the wrong impression and should not be used.
Code Freeze or Preview Release sounds good to me.

> >   However, I
> > have decided to no longer 
> >  continue as TC, if I was even TC to start with. 
>  
>  I am really sorry to hear this and hope you will reconsider. 
I also hope you will reconsider. IMO, the assignment of a TC has proven to
be one of the most successful ideas I've seen since I started following the
project. The work you have done so far has been fantastic and I would like
to see it continue.

Ged.









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[Royce Mitchell III]

Here's a combination of various suggestions to hopefully begin to close 
this matter:

1) Go with Gé's suggestion and rename our candidates to x.x.x-FF and 
x.x.x-CF respectively.

2) TC has no power to block FF - doesn't make sense to do so.

3) TC has power to block CF, subject to be overruled by a vote should a 
majority feel it is not critical enough.

4) No matter which way we enter CF, it takes an informal vote on the ML 
to drop back to FF for major discovered bugs - but any single developer 
can request and be granted a formal vote.

Andrew, would you still be willing to run for TC and continue the 
absolutely fantastic work you've done there given these, assuming 
everybody would agree to them?

[Ge van Geldorp]

>   From: Royce Mitchell III
>  
>  Here's a combination of various suggestions to hopefully 
>  begin to close this matter:
>  
>  3) TC has power to block CF, subject to be overruled by a 
>  vote should a majority feel it is not critical enough. 
Sorry, I still think this is fundamentally wrong. It's the developers as a
collective which run this project. It's the developers as a collective (and
this includes the TC with his vote) which should make this decision. If
you're going to give final decision making capability to the devs anyway,
why put the TC in the middle? If the devs are going to overrule him anyway,
there's a big chance that the vote would piss off the TC (especially if it
happens a few times in a row). I know I would find it much easier to accept
a collective decision, rather than a collective decision explicitly
overriding a decision I made earlier.
To get this moving forward, perhaps 2 proposals should be voted on: proposal
A which gives TC blocking power (overrulable by a vote) and proposal B which
does note give the TC that power. Instead of a yes/no vote on a single
proposal we can then vote either A or B.

>   Andrew, would you still be willing to run for TC and
> continue 
>  the absolutely fantastic work you've done there given these, 
>  assuming everybody would agree to them? 
In the scenario above (A/B vote) Andrew could wait for the outcome of the
vote and then decide whether he wants to fulfill the TC role. I hope he
will, but I understand he would want to know exactly what he signs up for
before committing himself.

Gé van Geldorp.