Re: [ros-svn] [ion] 16288: Satisfy blight's excessively arrogant attitude and overblown ego
You are such an IDIOT!
If i wanted to see my copyright in the file i could add it to each file i touch, like you do.
I was just saying that it was bad to base a new file on a old one, copying blocks of the old one into the new one (or rewriting them - at the end one sees its the same code with different syntax), then remove the original authors copyright (dwelch), add his own name, svn delete the old file and add the new file instead of moving and keeping all copytrights in the file/history.
You said you didnt know who wrote the FPU code (after i said that i have written it and noone can see that because of the deleted history), but you would have had to assume that it was written by dwelch if thats the only name in the file (and add his name to the new file) or simply keep the history of the file so everyone can see which part was written by whom. So the file said it was written by dwelch, while the history showed that it was written by me (i didnt want to add my copyright into the file, knowing that people can see from the history that i have written it was enough satisfaction) - and now the history is gone and the file leaves the impression that everything was written 100% by you.
IMO we should try to take care of others copyright (even if you dont like them)
I never asked you to add my copyright back to the file, and you would also have to add david welch again (and all the others from the old history which worked on the file), no only me!
Anich Gregor wrote:
You are such an IDIOT!
Please don't resort to name-calling.
If i wanted to see my copyright in the file i could add it to each file i touch, like you do.
I was just saying that it was bad to base a new file on a old one, copying blocks of the old one into the new one (or rewriting them - at the end one sees its the same code with different syntax), then remove the original authors copyright (dwelch), add his own name, svn delete the old file and add the new file instead of moving and keeping all copytrights in the file/history.
See, you're misrepresenting what happened in order to prove yourself right. The new file was based on the old one as much as any OS's context switcher is based in any other OS's. I barely even looked at the old file when writing the code, except for your FPU code. Before talking about dwelch's copyright, you should know that I actually talked to some developers about how much is a derivative work and how much is new code and the differences and copyrights. You should also know that our development guidelines RECOMMEND that if file has been re-written (and even if it was only changing syntax, that's pretty much a rewrite) it should be svn deleted and svn added.
I spent a great amount of time working on that file and I really don't appreciate you telling me that all I did was "copy, rewrite, remove name, add mine". It's extremly disrespectful.
You said you didnt know who wrote the FPU code (after i said that i have written it and noone can see that because of the deleted history), but you would have had to assume that it was written by dwelch if thats the only name in the file (and add his name to the new file) or simply keep the history of the file so everyone can see which part was written by whom. So the file said it was written by dwelch, while the history showed that it was written by me (i didnt want to add my copyright into the file, knowing that people can see from the history that i have written it was enough satisfaction) - and now the history is gone and the file leaves the impression that everything was written 100% by you.
Yes, the history was deleted, yes, I only added my name because the only other code still in there is yours, and your name wasn't there before, so I assumed that you didn't want it added back. 99% of people would've assumed that David wrote the old code too, and any project copying that file woudl've LOST the svn history as well, so nobody would've known that you wrote it either.
IMO we should try to take care of others copyright (even if you dont like them)
I've always insisted on someone doing a "svn log" and adding everyone's names... I also find it childish that you keep telling everyone I don't like you.
I never asked you to add my copyright back to the file, and you would also have to add david welch again (and all the others from the old history which worked on the file), no only me!
I totally agree, except that David doesn't really hold any copyright in the file anymore, not even derivative. Unless you consider the general process of switching stacks, editing TSS, updating LDT and CR3 as copyrighted by David (you will notice that most of these opertions are done differently in my code).
Best regards, Alex Ionescu
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-----Original Message----- From: ros-dev-bounces@reactos.com [mailto:ros-dev-bounces@reactos.com] On Behalf Of Alex Ionescu Sent: 26. juni 2005 19:10 To: blight@blight.eu.org; ReactOS Development List Subject: Re: [ros-dev] Re: [ros-svn] [ion] 16288: Satisfy blight's excessivelyarrogant attitude and You should also know that our development guidelines RECOMMEND that if file has been re-written (and even if it was only changing syntax, that's pretty much a rewrite) it should be svn deleted and svn added.
Are you referring to the tip at http://reactos.com/wiki/index.php/Best_practices_for_working_with_branches? I didn't consider copyright when I wrote this tip. I only considered it to be a solution to a technical problem I encountered during development of the new build system. There was some files on the branch which had nothing in common with files in the trunk except the filename and path, so I got merge conflicts every time I merged changes from trunk where these files were changed on trunk. Also, this tip only applies to branches other than trunk. Maybe I should make that more clear. If it is a problem with copyright, we should remove this tip.
Casper
On Sunday 26 June 2005 17:09, Alex Ionescu wrote:
Anich Gregor wrote:
You are such an IDIOT!
Please don't resort to name-calling.
If i wanted to see my copyright in the file i could add it to each file i touch, like you do.
I was just saying that it was bad to base a new file on a old one, copying blocks of the old one into the new one (or rewriting them - at the end one sees its the same code with different syntax), then remove the original authors copyright (dwelch), add his own name, svn delete the old file and add the new file instead of moving and keeping all copytrights in the file/history.
See, you're misrepresenting what happened in order to prove yourself right. The new file was based on the old one as much as any OS's context switcher is based in any other OS's. I barely even looked at the old file when writing the code, except for your FPU code.
The new file looks like a optimized version of the old file - what you do and how you do it looks much like the old code did it, but more efficient.
Before talking about dwelch's copyright, you should know that I actually talked to some developers about how much is a derivative work and how much is new code and the differences and copyrights. You should also know that our development guidelines RECOMMEND that if file has been re-written (and even if it was only changing syntax, that's pretty much a rewrite) it should be svn deleted and svn added.
Did you know we recommend gcc 3.3.3, and some other stuff which might not be correct in all situations?
I spent a great amount of time working on that file and I really don't appreciate you telling me that all I did was "copy, rewrite, remove name, add mine". It's extremly disrespectful.
Yes, it is disrespectful, but you should ask yourself why i am not more respectful to you... i dont like your attitude.
You said you didnt know who wrote the FPU code (after i said that i have written it and noone can see that because of the deleted history), but you would have had to assume that it was written by dwelch if thats the only name in the file (and add his name to the new file) or simply keep the history of the file so everyone can see which part was written by whom. So the file said it was written by dwelch, while the history showed that it was written by me (i didnt want to add my copyright into the file, knowing that people can see from the history that i have written it was enough satisfaction) - and now the history is gone and the file leaves the impression that everything was written 100% by you.
Yes, the history was deleted, yes, I only added my name because the only other code still in there is yours, and your name wasn't there before, so I assumed that you didn't want it added back.
If it wasnt there before, how could one want it to be _added back_? i think you are misunderstanding that this was not what i wanted (and i wouldnt ask you to do it, i could do that myself)
99% of people would've assumed that David wrote the old code too, and any project copying that file woudl've LOST the svn history as well, so nobody would've known that you wrote it either.
99% of people looking at hostilix source will assume that it was written by them.
IMO we should try to take care of others copyright (even if you dont like them)
I've always insisted on someone doing a "svn log" and adding everyone's names...
Simply keeping the history wouldnt require that.
I also find it childish that you keep telling everyone I don't like you.
I was referring to you when you ask people if they want to join the "David Welch haters club" or whatever you call it.
I never asked you to add my copyright back to the file, and you would also have to add david welch again (and all the others from the old history which worked on the file), no only me!
I totally agree, except that David doesn't really hold any copyright in the file anymore, not even derivative.
Yes, should be easy to prove that to a judge.
Unless you consider the general process of switching stacks, editing TSS, updating LDT and CR3 as copyrighted by David (you will notice that most of these opertions are done differently in my code).
I was thinking of the effort which others have put into the code to get it right (do the right thing at the right time, fix some bugs by adding some code and so on) - you cannot tell me that you have written the new code without looking at the old code or thinking of how the old code did things.
I just wanted to say that IMO it would have been better to keep the history, because others have put lotsa effort into developing the concept which you improved (and implemented in a rewrite)
I remember when you asked me if i had an idea why your rewrite crashes when graphics mode is switched on, and i could immediately tell you why - you didnt save and restore ESP0 in the TSS, which wasnt needed before i added the FPU stuff, and it took me a few days to find out that i have to save it and restore it to make it work with my other changes. Do you consider such stuff "general"? The history of the old code shows that i have added that part, in the new code/history there's no notice of it.
Now please dont act so childish again to publicly insult me with such a dumb commit message, asshole!
Anich Gregor wrote:
On Sunday 26 June 2005 17:09, Alex Ionescu wrote:
Anich Gregor wrote:
You are such an IDIOT!
Please don't resort to name-calling.
If i wanted to see my copyright in the file i could add it to each file i touch, like you do.
I was just saying that it was bad to base a new file on a old one, copying blocks of the old one into the new one (or rewriting them - at the end one sees its the same code with different syntax), then remove the original authors copyright (dwelch), add his own name, svn delete the old file and add the new file instead of moving and keeping all copytrights in the file/history.
See, you're misrepresenting what happened in order to prove yourself right. The new file was based on the old one as much as any OS's context switcher is based in any other OS's. I barely even looked at the old file when writing the code, except for your FPU code.
The new file looks like a optimized version of the old file - what you do and how you do it looks much like the old code did it, but more efficient.
Then all task switchers are the same.
Before talking about dwelch's copyright, you should know that I actually talked to some developers about how much is a derivative work and how much is new code and the differences and copyrights. You should also know that our development guidelines RECOMMEND that if file has been re-written (and even if it was only changing syntax, that's pretty much a rewrite) it should be svn deleted and svn added.
Did you know we recommend gcc 3.3.3, and some other stuff which might not be correct in all situations?
This is a wiki page.
I spent a great amount of time working on that file and I really don't appreciate you telling me that all I did was "copy, rewrite, remove name, add mine". It's extremly disrespectful.
Yes, it is disrespectful, but you should ask yourself why i am not more respectful to you... i dont like your attitude.
You said you didnt know who wrote the FPU code (after i said that i have written it and noone can see that because of the deleted history), but you would have had to assume that it was written by dwelch if thats the only name in the file (and add his name to the new file) or simply keep the history of the file so everyone can see which part was written by whom. So the file said it was written by dwelch, while the history showed that it was written by me (i didnt want to add my copyright into the file, knowing that people can see from the history that i have written it was enough satisfaction) - and now the history is gone and the file leaves the impression that everything was written 100% by you.
Yes, the history was deleted, yes, I only added my name because the only other code still in there is yours, and your name wasn't there before, so I assumed that you didn't want it added back.
If it wasnt there before, how could one want it to be _added back_? i think you are misunderstanding that this was not what i wanted (and i wouldnt ask you to do it, i could do that myself)
99% of people would've assumed that David wrote the old code too, and any project copying that file woudl've LOST the svn history as well, so nobody would've known that you wrote it either.
99% of people looking at hostilix source will assume that it was written by them.
IMO we should try to take care of others copyright (even if you dont like them)
I've always insisted on someone doing a "svn log" and adding everyone's names...
Simply keeping the history wouldnt require that.
I also find it childish that you keep telling everyone I don't like you.
I was referring to you when you ask people if they want to join the "David Welch haters club" or whatever you call it.
Actually that was KJK::Hyperion's idea. Stop misrepresenting things to create false arguments in order to try to prove your point.
I never asked you to add my copyright back to the file, and you would also have to add david welch again (and all the others from the old history which worked on the file), no only me!
I totally agree, except that David doesn't really hold any copyright in the file anymore, not even derivative.
Yes, should be easy to prove that to a judge.
Unless you consider the general process of switching stacks, editing TSS, updating LDT and CR3 as copyrighted by David (you will notice that most of these opertions are done differently in my code).
I was thinking of the effort which others have put into the code to get it right (do the right thing at the right time, fix some bugs by adding some code and so on) - you cannot tell me that you have written the new code without looking at the old code or thinking of how the old code did things.
I just wanted to say that IMO it would have been better to keep the history, because others have put lotsa effort into developing the concept which you improved (and implemented in a rewrite)
Cool, now please go and attack the dozens of other files which have the same "problem".
I remember when you asked me if i had an idea why your rewrite crashes when graphics mode is switched on, and i could immediately tell you why - you didnt save and restore ESP0 in the TSS, which wasnt needed before i added the FPU stuff, and it took me a few days to find out that i have to save it and restore it to make it work with my other changes. Do you consider such stuff "general"? The history of the old code shows that i have added that part, in the new code/history there's no notice of it.
Actually I think the commit message does say "Added hack for our broken memory manager, thanks to Blight", or something similar.
Now please dont act so childish again to publicly insult me with such a dumb commit message, asshole!
Had you not added this, you would've truly shown superiority.... unfortuately this just proves you're no better then me :) (and that all human beings act on impulse, so whatever, let's forget this).
Best regards, Alex Ionescu
Both you guys need to grow up. One would swear this list was occupied with 12 year olds. Guys, this project is supposed to be 'for fun'. If you are going to flame each other, at least take it somewhere private.
Richard
Anich Gregor wrote:
On Sunday 26 June 2005 17:09, Alex Ionescu wrote:
Anich Gregor wrote:
You are such an IDIOT!
Please don't resort to name-calling.
If i wanted to see my copyright in the file i could add it to each file i touch, like you do.
I was just saying that it was bad to base a new file on a old one, copying blocks of the old one into the new one (or rewriting them - at the end one sees its the same code with different syntax), then remove the original authors copyright (dwelch), add his own name, svn delete the old file and add the new file instead of moving and keeping all copytrights in the file/history.
See, you're misrepresenting what happened in order to prove yourself right. The new file was based on the old one as much as any OS's context switcher is based in any other OS's. I barely even looked at the old file when writing the code, except for your FPU code.
The new file looks like a optimized version of the old file - what you do and how you do it looks much like the old code did it, but more efficient.
Before talking about dwelch's copyright, you should know that I actually talked to some developers about how much is a derivative work and how much is new code and the differences and copyrights. You should also know that our development guidelines RECOMMEND that if file has been re-written (and even if it was only changing syntax, that's pretty much a rewrite) it should be svn deleted and svn added.
Did you know we recommend gcc 3.3.3, and some other stuff which might not be correct in all situations?
I spent a great amount of time working on that file and I really don't appreciate you telling me that all I did was "copy, rewrite, remove name, add mine". It's extremly disrespectful.
Yes, it is disrespectful, but you should ask yourself why i am not more respectful to you... i dont like your attitude.
You said you didnt know who wrote the FPU code (after i said that i have written it and noone can see that because of the deleted history), but you would have had to assume that it was written by dwelch if thats the only name in the file (and add his name to the new file) or simply keep the history of the file so everyone can see which part was written by whom. So the file said it was written by dwelch, while the history showed that it was written by me (i didnt want to add my copyright into the file, knowing that people can see from the history that i have written it was enough satisfaction) - and now the history is gone and the file leaves the impression that everything was written 100% by you.
Yes, the history was deleted, yes, I only added my name because the only other code still in there is yours, and your name wasn't there before, so I assumed that you didn't want it added back.
If it wasnt there before, how could one want it to be _added back_? i think you are misunderstanding that this was not what i wanted (and i wouldnt ask you to do it, i could do that myself)
99% of people would've assumed that David wrote the old code too, and any project copying that file woudl've LOST the svn history as well, so nobody would've known that you wrote it either.
99% of people looking at hostilix source will assume that it was written by them.
IMO we should try to take care of others copyright (even if you dont like them)
I've always insisted on someone doing a "svn log" and adding everyone's names...
Simply keeping the history wouldnt require that.
I also find it childish that you keep telling everyone I don't like you.
I was referring to you when you ask people if they want to join the "David Welch haters club" or whatever you call it.
I never asked you to add my copyright back to the file, and you would also have to add david welch again (and all the others from the old history which worked on the file), no only me!
I totally agree, except that David doesn't really hold any copyright in the file anymore, not even derivative.
Yes, should be easy to prove that to a judge.
Unless you consider the general process of switching stacks, editing TSS, updating LDT and CR3 as copyrighted by David (you will notice that most of these opertions are done differently in my code).
I was thinking of the effort which others have put into the code to get it right (do the right thing at the right time, fix some bugs by adding some code and so on) - you cannot tell me that you have written the new code without looking at the old code or thinking of how the old code did things.
I just wanted to say that IMO it would have been better to keep the history, because others have put lotsa effort into developing the concept which you improved (and implemented in a rewrite)
I remember when you asked me if i had an idea why your rewrite crashes when graphics mode is switched on, and i could immediately tell you why - you didnt save and restore ESP0 in the TSS, which wasnt needed before i added the FPU stuff, and it took me a few days to find out that i have to save it and restore it to make it work with my other changes. Do you consider such stuff "general"? The history of the old code shows that i have added that part, in the new code/history there's no notice of it.
Now please dont act so childish again to publicly insult me with such a dumb commit message, asshole! _______________________________________________ Ros-dev mailing list Ros-dev@reactos.com http://reactos.com:8080/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
On Sunday 26 June 2005 19:02, mail.comcast.net wrote:
Both you guys need to grow up. One would swear this list was occupied with 12 year olds. Guys, this project is supposed to be 'for fun'. If you are going to flame each other, at least take it somewhere private.
Richard
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