RE: [ros-dev] Voting system

[Murphy, Ged (Bolton)]

Brandon Turner wrote:

>   I _strongly_ disagree with this. 
Me too. I'll just elaborate on the reasons Brandon gave

>   1) No way to make sure no one is cheating and not
> voting a 
>  bunch of times. 
Developers are put into the developer group on the board. Thus, only
registered developers can vote. This will stop people from registering 50
different logins and altering the vote, which could not be controlled if
everyone was allowed to vote.

>   2) I don't think everyone voting is educated well
> enough on 
>  the topic. 
This is also very true. Core design decisions cannot be made by people who
do not have a deep knowledge of the subject. Opening up voting to everyone
could possibly generate in bad results

>   In the case coding questions like the macros vote we
> recently had, I 
>  didnt vote.   
Me either. I didn't fully understand the repercussions, therefore my vote
should not effect the outcome.

>   In the 
>  case of a PC, I just dont think that a user that reads the message 
>  boards or the general mailing list will have enough info and feel for 
>  who should and shouldnt be a PC.  In both cases people with 
>  education on 
>  the topic will probably outnumber those who do know about it, 
>  and might 
>  skew things very badly. 
This is just one of many examples. Another one would be the recent
discussions between Alex and Emmanuelle about splitting win32 the subsystem.
This isn't a decision that people not working with the code should be making
.... consider the users who come into the forums asking what version of
Linux ReactOS is based on. Should they be allowed to sway this decision.


To stop any animosity of users towards devs, the votes could be made hidden.
However I don't think this is a requirement as I think the majority of users
would understand the position on voting. 
It would also be interesting for users to see the voting results, and how
ReactOS is developing.


If there is a vote where the users input is needed, then it can obviously be
placed in another section where the users have write access. This was
demonstrated recently when Alex Ionescu started the poll on feature
importance.


Ged





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[Freworld]

I've just created a forum 'Votings' that is open for everyone that is in 
the forum group 'Developer'. Please have a look at it, so you can decide 
if this is the preferred way of voting in the future. Every developer 
will be allowed to post, vote and create polls in this forum and 
everyone else will be allowed to read it.

If you know someone that isn't in the forum group and has commit access, 
please report it to me.

Greetings
Michael

[Ged Murphy]

On 10/19/05, Freworld <michael(a)freeworld.net> wrote:
>  
>  I've just created a forum 'Votings' that is open for everyone that is in
>  the forum group 'Developer'. 

Is it still there? I can't see it.
 Ged.

[Nate DeSimone]

Hello everyone,

    I have been reading this list for about 2.5 years now and I thought 
I might have something useful to add.  I totally agree that active 
developers should be the ONLY people allowed to vote, it is their 
project after all.  However it might be useful to run the voting sort of 
the way a town meeting is run.  Where there are town officials who have 
the right to vote and normally they are the only ones who go to the 
meetings.  However town meetings are open to all members of the town, 
and while citizens cannot vote, they have a right to be persent and they 
have a right to express their opinion.  So in other words have the 
proposal of new votes and the right to vote rest solely with the 
developers, but allow anyone to post comments on a topic before voting 
starts.  There of course should be a clear distiction between who is a 
developer and who is not right on the comments that are made.  There 
should also be ground rules for any comments made, including clear, 
consise, on topic.  A comment should also only be made by someone who 
feels they have a professional, expert opinion on the topic.

Nate DeSimone

Ged Murphy wrote:

>   On 10/19/05, *Freworld* <michael(a)freeworld.net 
>  <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
>
>      I've just created a forum 'Votings' that is open for everyone that
>      is in
>      the forum group 'Developer'. 
>
>   
>
>  Is it still there? I can't see it.
>   
>  Ged.
>   
>
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[Magnus Olsen]

Hi
Before we desice if it need vote, we do talk about it on maillingst.
I do not think that will be change. some of the devloper only
read the mailing list.



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nate DeSimone" <desimn(a)rpi.edu>
To: "ReactOS Development List" <ros-dev(a)reactos.org>
Sent: den 19 October 2005 22:55
Subject: Re: [ros-dev] Voting system


>   Hello everyone,
>
>      I have been reading this list for about 2.5 years now and I thought
>  I might have something useful to add.  I totally agree that active
>  developers should be the ONLY people allowed to vote, it is their
>  project after all.  However it might be useful to run the voting sort of
>  the way a town meeting is run.  Where there are town officials who have
>  the right to vote and normally they are the only ones who go to the
>  meetings.  However town meetings are open to all members of the town,
>  and while citizens cannot vote, they have a right to be persent and they
>  have a right to express their opinion.  So in other words have the
>  proposal of new votes and the right to vote rest solely with the
>  developers, but allow anyone to post comments on a topic before voting
>  starts.  There of course should be a clear distiction between who is a
>  developer and who is not right on the comments that are made.  There
>  should also be ground rules for any comments made, including clear,
>  consise, on topic.  A comment should also only be made by someone who
>  feels they have a professional, expert opinion on the topic.
>
>  Nate DeSimone
>
>  Ged Murphy wrote:
>
> >   On 10/19/05, *Freworld*
> > <michael(a)freeworld.net
> >  <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
> >
> >      I've just created a forum 'Votings' that is open for everyone that
> >      is in
> >      the forum group 'Developer'.
> >
> >
> >
> >  Is it still there? I can't see it.
> >
> >  Ged.
> >
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[Royce Mitchell III]

Magnus Olsen wrote:

>  Hi
> Before we desice if it need vote, we do talk about it on maillingst.
> I do not think that will be change. some of the devloper only
> read the mailing list.
>   
>  
Is there a way to have the creation of a poll in the forum send an email 
to ros-dev?

[Freworld]

There is a way for everything. :) Can be implemented if wished. But i 
thought that when the issue is discussed and someone starts a vote the 
direct link to the vote could be posted to the mailinglist by him.

Greetings
Michael

Royce Mitchell III wrote:

>   Magnus Olsen wrote:
>
> >   Hi
> >  Before we desice if it need vote, we do talk about it on maillingst.
> >  I do not think that will be change. some of the devloper only
> >  read the mailing list.
> >   
> >  
>  Is there a way to have the creation of a poll in the forum send an 
>  email to ros-dev?
>
>
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>

[Ge van Geldorp]

>   From: Nate DeSimone
>
>  So in other words have the proposal of new votes 
>  and the right to vote rest solely with the developers, but 
>  allow anyone to post comments on a topic before voting 
>  starts. 
I think the proposed system (discussion and call for vote on the mailing
list, final vote via the forum) fits this perfectly.

Gé van Geldorp.