Brandon Turner wrote:
I _strongly_ disagree with this.
Me too. I'll just elaborate on the reasons Brandon gave
- No way to make sure no one is cheating and not voting a
bunch of times.
Developers are put into the developer group on the board. Thus, only registered developers can vote. This will stop people from registering 50 different logins and altering the vote, which could not be controlled if everyone was allowed to vote.
- I don't think everyone voting is educated well enough on
the topic.
This is also very true. Core design decisions cannot be made by people who do not have a deep knowledge of the subject. Opening up voting to everyone could possibly generate in bad results
In the case coding questions like the macros vote we recently had, I didnt vote.
Me either. I didn't fully understand the repercussions, therefore my vote should not effect the outcome.
In the case of a PC, I just dont think that a user that reads the message boards or the general mailing list will have enough info and feel for who should and shouldnt be a PC. In both cases people with education on the topic will probably outnumber those who do know about it, and might skew things very badly.
This is just one of many examples. Another one would be the recent discussions between Alex and Emmanuelle about splitting win32 the subsystem. This isn't a decision that people not working with the code should be making .... consider the users who come into the forums asking what version of Linux ReactOS is based on. Should they be allowed to sway this decision.
To stop any animosity of users towards devs, the votes could be made hidden. However I don't think this is a requirement as I think the majority of users would understand the position on voting. It would also be interesting for users to see the voting results, and how ReactOS is developing.
If there is a vote where the users input is needed, then it can obviously be placed in another section where the users have write access. This was demonstrated recently when Alex Ionescu started the poll on feature importance.
Ged
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I've just created a forum 'Votings' that is open for everyone that is in the forum group 'Developer'. Please have a look at it, so you can decide if this is the preferred way of voting in the future. Every developer will be allowed to post, vote and create polls in this forum and everyone else will be allowed to read it.
If you know someone that isn't in the forum group and has commit access, please report it to me.
Greetings Michael
On 10/19/05, Freworld michael@freeworld.net wrote:
I've just created a forum 'Votings' that is open for everyone that is in the forum group 'Developer'.
Is it still there? I can't see it. Ged.
Hello everyone,
I have been reading this list for about 2.5 years now and I thought I might have something useful to add. I totally agree that active developers should be the ONLY people allowed to vote, it is their project after all. However it might be useful to run the voting sort of the way a town meeting is run. Where there are town officials who have the right to vote and normally they are the only ones who go to the meetings. However town meetings are open to all members of the town, and while citizens cannot vote, they have a right to be persent and they have a right to express their opinion. So in other words have the proposal of new votes and the right to vote rest solely with the developers, but allow anyone to post comments on a topic before voting starts. There of course should be a clear distiction between who is a developer and who is not right on the comments that are made. There should also be ground rules for any comments made, including clear, consise, on topic. A comment should also only be made by someone who feels they have a professional, expert opinion on the topic.
Nate DeSimone
Ged Murphy wrote:
On 10/19/05, *Freworld* <michael@freeworld.net mailto:michael@freeworld.net> wrote:
I've just created a forum 'Votings' that is open for everyone that is in the forum group 'Developer'.Is it still there? I can't see it.
Ged.
Ros-dev mailing list Ros-dev@reactos.org http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
Hi Before we desice if it need vote, we do talk about it on maillingst. I do not think that will be change. some of the devloper only read the mailing list.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Nate DeSimone" desimn@rpi.edu To: "ReactOS Development List" ros-dev@reactos.org Sent: den 19 October 2005 22:55 Subject: Re: [ros-dev] Voting system
Hello everyone,
I have been reading this list for about 2.5 years now and I thoughtI might have something useful to add. I totally agree that active developers should be the ONLY people allowed to vote, it is their project after all. However it might be useful to run the voting sort of the way a town meeting is run. Where there are town officials who have the right to vote and normally they are the only ones who go to the meetings. However town meetings are open to all members of the town, and while citizens cannot vote, they have a right to be persent and they have a right to express their opinion. So in other words have the proposal of new votes and the right to vote rest solely with the developers, but allow anyone to post comments on a topic before voting starts. There of course should be a clear distiction between who is a developer and who is not right on the comments that are made. There should also be ground rules for any comments made, including clear, consise, on topic. A comment should also only be made by someone who feels they have a professional, expert opinion on the topic.
Nate DeSimone
Ged Murphy wrote:
On 10/19/05, *Freworld* <michael@freeworld.net mailto:michael@freeworld.net> wrote:
I've just created a forum 'Votings' that is open for everyone that is in the forum group 'Developer'.Is it still there? I can't see it.
Ged.
Ros-dev mailing list Ros-dev@reactos.org http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
Ros-dev mailing list Ros-dev@reactos.org http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
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Magnus Olsen wrote:
Hi Before we desice if it need vote, we do talk about it on maillingst. I do not think that will be change. some of the devloper only read the mailing list.
Is there a way to have the creation of a poll in the forum send an email to ros-dev?
There is a way for everything. :) Can be implemented if wished. But i thought that when the issue is discussed and someone starts a vote the direct link to the vote could be posted to the mailinglist by him.
Greetings Michael
Royce Mitchell III wrote:
Magnus Olsen wrote:
Hi Before we desice if it need vote, we do talk about it on maillingst. I do not think that will be change. some of the devloper only read the mailing list.
Is there a way to have the creation of a poll in the forum send an email to ros-dev?
Ros-dev mailing list Ros-dev@reactos.org http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
From: Nate DeSimone
So in other words have the proposal of new votes and the right to vote rest solely with the developers, but allow anyone to post comments on a topic before voting starts.
I think the proposed system (discussion and call for vote on the mailing list, final vote via the forum) fits this perfectly.
Gé van Geldorp.