Break

[Alex Ionescu]

Hi,

Since it seems Emanuele has not made a post about this yet, maybe I 
should... I have been informed that due to time and focus reasons, 
Emanuele has decided to leave the project for an indeterminate time 
(forever?). I wish him the best of luck, and I thank him for his 
contributions to ReactOS.

I have also talked to Filip lately, and I have understood from him that 
he will also be gone for the next month or two.

Finally, in light of recent events, I feel that it's also best if I 
follow the example and take a break as well. I was undecided before, but 
the recent fight over the TC has convinced me that maybe this isn't the 
best place or time for me to apply my knowledge. I'm bit sick of being 
always the one in the middle of a fight. First I was blamed for always 
breaking the tree or causing incompatibilities, and now I'm blamed for 
project decisions as well. I really have too many things to worry about 
in life then to spend my life fighting all the time. I don't care that 
there are 40 people on IRC that agree with me, but when Jason and Ge, 
which are the two most influencial members of this project seem to be 
set against me, then I don't want to cause any more trouble.

Best regards,
Alex Ionescu

[Jason Filby]

Hi Alex

Yes, Emanuele informed me he had left the project. Hopefully this is
not forever, hopefully your break is not forever too.

Perhaps the reason everyone on IRC agrees with you is because you're
explaining yourself more thoroughly, and less aggressively, on IRC
than in some of these emails.

Regards
Jason

On 10/15/05, Alex Ionescu <ionucu(a)videotron.ca> wrote:
>   Hi,
>
>  Since it seems Emanuele has not made a post about this yet, maybe I
>  should... I have been informed that due to time and focus reasons,
>  Emanuele has decided to leave the project for an indeterminate time
>  (forever?). I wish him the best of luck, and I thank him for his
>  contributions to ReactOS.
>
>  I have also talked to Filip lately, and I have understood from him that
>  he will also be gone for the next month or two.
>
>  Finally, in light of recent events, I feel that it's also best if I
>  follow the example and take a break as well. I was undecided before, but
>  the recent fight over the TC has convinced me that maybe this isn't the
>  best place or time for me to apply my knowledge. I'm bit sick of being
>  always the one in the middle of a fight. First I was blamed for always
>  breaking the tree or causing incompatibilities, and now I'm blamed for
>  project decisions as well. I really have too many things to worry about
>  in life then to spend my life fighting all the time. I don't care that
>  there are 40 people on IRC that agree with me, but when Jason and Ge,
>  which are the two most influencial members of this project seem to be
>  set against me, then I don't want to cause any more trouble.
>
>  Best regards,
>  Alex Ionescu
>  _______________________________________________
>  Ros-dev mailing list
>  Ros-dev(a)reactos.org
>  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
>

[TwoTailedFox]

Email often makes people seem more aggressive, since on IRC, what can
a response be perfectly crafted, of the length needed?

On 10/15/05, Jason Filby <jason.filby(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>   Hi Alex
>
>  Yes, Emanuele informed me he had left the project. Hopefully this is
>  not forever, hopefully your break is not forever too.
>
>  Perhaps the reason everyone on IRC agrees with you is because you're
>  explaining yourself more thoroughly, and less aggressively, on IRC
>  than in some of these emails.
>
>  Regards
>  Jason
>
>  On 10/15/05, Alex Ionescu <ionucu(a)videotron.ca> wrote:
> >   Hi,
> >
> >  Since it seems Emanuele has not made a post about this yet, maybe I
> >  should... I have been informed that due to time and focus reasons,
> >  Emanuele has decided to leave the project for an indeterminate time
> >  (forever?). I wish him the best of luck, and I thank him for his
> >  contributions to ReactOS.
> >
> >  I have also talked to Filip lately, and I have understood from him that
> >  he will also be gone for the next month or two.
> >
> >  Finally, in light of recent events, I feel that it's also best if I
> >  follow the example and take a break as well. I was undecided before, but
> >  the recent fight over the TC has convinced me that maybe this isn't the
> >  best place or time for me to apply my knowledge. I'm bit sick of being
> >  always the one in the middle of a fight. First I was blamed for always
> >  breaking the tree or causing incompatibilities, and now I'm blamed for
> >  project decisions as well. I really have too many things to worry about
> >  in life then to spend my life fighting all the time. I don't care that
> >  there are 40 people on IRC that agree with me, but when Jason and Ge,
> >  which are the two most influencial members of this project seem to be
> >  set against me, then I don't want to cause any more trouble.
> >
> >  Best regards,
> >  Alex Ionescu
> >  _______________________________________________
> >  Ros-dev mailing list
> >  Ros-dev(a)reactos.org
> >  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
> >  
>  _______________________________________________
>  Ros-dev mailing list
>  Ros-dev(a)reactos.org
>  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
>
>  

--
"I had a handle on life, but then it broke"

[Jason Filby]

I agree, I also come off pretty bad on email sometimes ;) I don't have
any problem with Alex.

Cheers
Jason

On 10/15/05, TwoTailedFox <twotailedfox(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>   Email often makes people seem more aggressive, since
> on IRC, what can
>  a response be perfectly crafted, of the length needed?
>
>  On 10/15/05, Jason Filby <jason.filby(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >   Hi Alex
> >
> >  Yes, Emanuele informed me he had left the project. Hopefully this is
> >  not forever, hopefully your break is not forever too.
> >
> >  Perhaps the reason everyone on IRC agrees with you is because you're
> >  explaining yourself more thoroughly, and less aggressively, on IRC
> >  than in some of these emails.
> >
> >  Regards
> >  Jason
> >
> >  On 10/15/05, Alex Ionescu <ionucu(a)videotron.ca> wrote:
> > >   Hi,
> > >
> > >  Since it seems Emanuele has not made a post about this yet, maybe I
> > >  should... I have been informed that due to time and focus reasons,
> > >  Emanuele has decided to leave the project for an indeterminate time
> > >  (forever?). I wish him the best of luck, and I thank him for his
> > >  contributions to ReactOS.
> > >
> > >  I have also talked to Filip lately, and I have understood from him that
> > >  he will also be gone for the next month or two.
> > >
> > >  Finally, in light of recent events, I feel that it's also best if I
> > >  follow the example and take a break as well. I was undecided before, but
> > >  the recent fight over the TC has convinced me that maybe this isn't the
> > >  best place or time for me to apply my knowledge. I'm bit sick of being
> > >  always the one in the middle of a fight. First I was blamed for always
> > >  breaking the tree or causing incompatibilities, and now I'm blamed for
> > >  project decisions as well. I really have too many things to worry about
> > >  in life then to spend my life fighting all the time. I don't care that
> > >  there are 40 people on IRC that agree with me, but when Jason and Ge,
> > >  which are the two most influencial members of this project seem to be
> > >  set against me, then I don't want to cause any more trouble.
> > >
> > >  Best regards,
> > >  Alex Ionescu
> > >  _______________________________________________
> > >  Ros-dev mailing list
> > >  Ros-dev(a)reactos.org
> > >  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
> > >  
> >  _______________________________________________
> >  Ros-dev mailing list
> >  Ros-dev(a)reactos.org
> >  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
> >
> >  
>
>  --
>  "I had a handle on life, but then it broke"
>
>  _______________________________________________
>  Ros-dev mailing list
>  Ros-dev(a)reactos.org
>  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
>

[Casper Hornstrup]

>   -----Original Message-----
>  From: ros-dev-bounces(a)reactos.org [mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of Alex
> Ionescu
>  Sent: 15. oktober 2005 19:54
>  To: ReactOS Development List
>  Subject: [ros-dev] Break
>  
>  I was undecided before, but
>  the recent fight over the TC has convinced me that maybe this isn't the
>  best place or time for me to apply my knowledge. I'm bit sick of being
>  always the one in the middle of a fight. First I was blamed for always
>  breaking the tree or causing incompatibilities, and now I'm blamed for
>  project decisions as well. I really have too many things to worry about
>  in life then to spend my life fighting all the time. I don't care that
>  there are 40 people on IRC that agree with me, but when Jason and Ge,
>  which are the two most influencial members of this project seem to be
>  set against me, then I don't want to cause any more trouble. 
Once again you misinterpret a criticism. Gé wasn't complaining about
having a TC. Gé was pointing out that the decision of appointing
a TC and the powers of that role wasn't reached through the project's
established decision making process - voting. So it really doesn't
matter if 40 people on IRC agree with you because only 35 people have
the powers to make that decision - the project members with commit access.
And they should all be given a chance to influence the wording of the TC
role.

Casper

[David Hinz]

Alex Ionescu schrieb:

>   Hi,
>
>  Since it seems Emanuele has not made a post about this yet, maybe I 
>  should... I have been informed that due to time and focus reasons, 
>  Emanuele has decided to leave the project for an indeterminate time 
>  (forever?). I wish him the best of luck, and I thank him for his 
>  contributions to ReactOS.
>
>  I have also talked to Filip lately, and I have understood from him 
>  that he will also be gone for the next month or two.
>
>  Finally, in light of recent events, I feel that it's also best if I 
>  follow the example and take a break as well. I was undecided before, 
>  but the recent fight over the TC has convinced me that maybe this 
>  isn't the best place or time for me to apply my knowledge. I'm bit 
>  sick of being always the one in the middle of a fight. First I was 
>  blamed for always breaking the tree or causing incompatibilities, and 
>  now I'm blamed for project decisions as well. I really have too many 
>  things to worry about in life then to spend my life fighting all the 
>  time. I don't care that there are 40 people on IRC that agree with me, 
>  but when Jason and Ge, which are the two most influencial members of 
>  this project seem to be set against me, then I don't want to cause any 
>  more trouble.
>
>  Best regards,
>  Alex Ionescu
>  _______________________________________________
>  Ros-dev mailing list
>  Ros-dev(a)reactos.org
>  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
>  
Well, I'm more or less new to this project, but I think this will be a 
big loss.
You did, as far as I can rate it, great work and I can't find any mail 
that shows me, somebody doesn't like you.
But sometimes a break is good, a lot of singers and artists did breaks 
and it was good for their career.

So, I hope you will come back someday and we will find some people who 
are skilled enough to 'replace' you in the meantime.

Greets,

David Hinz

[Royce Mitchell III]

Alex Ionescu wrote:

>   Hi,
>
>  Since it seems Emanuele has not made a post about this yet, maybe I 
>  should... I have been informed that due to time and focus reasons, 
>  Emanuele has decided to leave the project for an indeterminate time 
>  (forever?). I wish him the best of luck, and I thank him for his 
>  contributions to ReactOS.
>
>  I have also talked to Filip lately, and I have understood from him 
>  that he will also be gone for the next month or two.
>
>  Finally, in light of recent events, I feel that it's also best if I 
>  follow the example and take a break as well. I was undecided before, 
>  but the recent fight over the TC has convinced me that maybe this 
>  isn't the best place or time for me to apply my knowledge. I'm bit 
>  sick of being always the one in the middle of a fight. First I was 
>  blamed for always breaking the tree or causing incompatibilities, and 
>  now I'm blamed for project decisions as well. I really have too many 
>  things to worry about in life then to spend my life fighting all the 
>  time. I don't care that there are 40 people on IRC that agree with me, 
>  but when Jason and Ge, which are the two most influencial members of 
>  this project seem to be set against me, then I don't want to cause any 
>  more trouble.
>
>  Best regards,
>  Alex Ionescu
>  _______________________________________________
>  Ros-dev mailing list
>  Ros-dev(a)reactos.org
>  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
>
>  .
>  
Would you be so kind as to at least commit your work-in-progress code to 
a branch, please?

[Jason Filby]

That doesn't seem to tie in with people leaving if they're not told
that they are right.

Regards
Jason

On 10/15/05, Royce Mitchell III <royce3(a)ev1.net> wrote:
>   Would you be so kind as to at least commit your
> work-in-progress code to
>  a branch, please?
>
>  _______________________________________________
>  Ros-dev mailing list
>  Ros-dev(a)reactos.org
>  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
>

[Royce Mitchell III]

Jason Filby wrote:

>  That doesn't seem to tie in with people leaving if
> they're not told
> that they are right.
>
> Regards
> Jason
>
> On 10/15/05, Royce Mitchell III <royce3(a)ev1.net> wrote:
>   
>
> >Would you be so kind as to at least commit your work-in-progress code to
> >a branch, please?
> >
> >    
> > 
I'm hoping Alex isn't so offended that he would throw away his hard
work 
out of spite.

[James Tabor]

Hi Alex!
Alex Ionescu wrote:
>   Hi,
>  
>  Since it seems Emanuele has not made a post about this yet, maybe I 
>  should... I have been informed that due to time and focus reasons, 
>  Emanuele has decided to leave the project for an indeterminate time 
>  (forever?). I wish him the best of luck, and I thank him for his 
>  contributions to ReactOS.
>  
>  I have also talked to Filip lately, and I have understood from him that 
>  he will also be gone for the next month or two.
>  
>  Finally, in light of recent events, I feel that it's also best if I 
>  follow the example and take a break as well. I was undecided before, but 
>  the recent fight over the TC has convinced me that maybe this isn't the  
TC was voted for and I consider it closed business. Wax has the job deal
with it!

>   best place or time for me to apply my knowledge.
> I'm bit sick of being 
>  always the one in the middle of a fight. First I was blamed for always 
>  breaking the tree or causing incompatibilities, and now I'm blamed for 
>  project decisions as well. I really have too many things to worry about 
>  in life then to spend my life fighting all the time. I don't care that 
>  there are 40 people on IRC that agree with me, but when Jason and Ge, 
>  which are the two most influencial members of this project seem to be 
>  set against me, then I don't want to cause any more trouble. 
I'm not against you. Just because some of us miss the Memo does not make
them right!

So things get FUBAR and hosed up a bit. Well, thats called HEAD!


>   
>  Best regards,
>  Alex Ionescu 
Before anyone complains, they should open their minds and read what Alex
has to say.
Thanks,
James

[Jason Filby]

On 10/15/05, James Tabor
<jimtabor(a)adsl-64-217-116-74.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net> wrote:
>   TC was voted for and I consider it closed business.
> Wax has the job deal
>  with it! 
Mostly on IRC! That's not the way we've agreed to do things.

>   I'm not against you. Just because some of us miss
> the Memo does not make them right! 
Well excuse me.

>   Before anyone complains, they should open their minds
> and read what Alex
>  has to say. 
Right, and Alex is a great listener.

Jason

[James Tabor]

Hi Jason,
Jason Filby wrote:
>   On 10/15/05, James Tabor
>  <jimtabor(a)adsl-64-217-116-74.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net> wrote:
>  
> >  TC was voted for and I consider it closed
> > business. Wax has the job deal
> > with it! 
>  
>  
>  Mostly on IRC! That's not the way we've agreed to do things.
>   
Project is growing very fast. Us old timers need to adapt. The project sometimes
need direction in some instances.


>   
> >  I'm not against you. Just because some of us
> > miss the Memo does not make them right! 
>  
>  
>  Well excuse me. 
Well, only I can say here is,,, you are hardly around in IRC. I too over look memos.

BTW, While writing this you spent approx 34 minutes in IRC.
>   
>  
> >  Before anyone complains, they should open their
> > minds and read what Alex
> > has to say. 
>  
>  
>  Right, and Alex is a great listener. 
LOL Yeah, he is young.
>   
>  Jason
>   
Look!

Did I vote for anything major in the past two years? Did I vote for SVN? Did I vote
for xml? NO I did not. I adapted to the change. Yes I bitched my ass off about it in IRC,
but I realize one thing. This project is changing, it is growing. I except this and
move on.

Thanks,
James

[Jason Filby]

On 10/16/05, James Tabor
<jimtabor(a)adsl-64-217-116-74.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net> wrote:
>   Well, only I can say here is,,, you are hardly around
> in IRC. I too over look memos. 
I told everyone that I was going to be in NYC on a work assignment for
4 months (I only return mid-November). As such I'm under a heavy
workload. I should have turned over the PC position before I left, but
thought it would be too unstable to do so at this point. I'm doing
this now.

>   Did I vote for anything major in the past two years?
> Did I vote for SVN? Did I vote
>  for xml? NO I did not. I adapted to the change. Yes I bitched my ass off about it in
> IRC,
>  but I realize one thing. This project is changing, it is growing. I except this and
>  move on. 
It's quite disrespectful to everone else in the project to make a
private vote (if not very close to private) for a coordinator
position. If you're in that inner circle, obviously you'll have no
problem with it (although if you had any respect for the others you
should!).

Regards
Jason

[James Tabor]

Hi!
Jason Filby wrote:
>   On 10/16/05, James Tabor
>  <jimtabor(a)adsl-64-217-116-74.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net> wrote:
>  
> >  Well, only I can say here is,,, you are hardly
> > around in IRC. I too over look memos. 
>  
>  
>  I told everyone that I was going to be in NYC on a work assignment for
>  4 months (I only return mid-November). As such I'm under a heavy
>  workload. I should have turned over the PC position before I left, but
>  thought it would be too unstable to do so at this point. I'm doing
>  this now.
>   
I was out of town too. About + 10 weeks. The TC was voted for in August.

>   
> >  Did I vote for anything major in the past two
> > years? Did I vote for SVN? Did I vote
> > for xml? NO I did not. I adapted to the change. Yes I bitched my ass off about it in IRC,
> > but I realize one thing. This project is changing, it is growing. I except this and
> > move on. 
>  
>  
>  It's quite disrespectful to everone else in the project to make a
>  private vote (if not very close to private) for a coordinator
>  position. If you're in that inner circle, obviously you'll have no
>  problem with it (although if you had any respect for the others you
>  should!).
>  
>  Regards
>  Jason
>   
I guess you will need to write Casper. He is in IRC 24/7 and monitoring
everything.



There was no coup and no one is hiding anything from anyone. This was not done
in private or in any disrespectful way. Like I posted, I never get to vote for
things that change the structure of the Ros tree. Did I get any respect in a
opportunity to vote on it? No I did not. I should be upset but I'm not. The
changes made are good for Ros.


I really hope you understand what you are asking for. If we stick to this rigidness
in voting. We will never get anything done.


8^|
James

[Filip Navara]

Alex Ionescu wrote:
[snip]

>   I have also talked to Filip lately, and I have
> understood from him 
>  that he will also be gone for the next month or two. 
[snip]

You won't get rid of me that easily. ;-) I've got a job and a load of 
personal problems, but I'm still actively tracking ReactOS progress and 
sometimes doing small bug fixes as my time permits.

- Filip