"Note: LibreOffice 5.4 will be the last codeline to support Windows XP or Vista"

[Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo]

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Releases/5.4.0/RC1


FYI

[Hermès BÉLUSCA-MAÏTO]

I’m wondering for which useless / fancy features they need Windows 7+ support only….

 

H.

 

 

De : Ros-dev [mailto:[e-mail]] De la part de Javier Agustìn Fernàndez
Arroyo
Envoyé : jeudi 29 juin 2017 15:48
À : ReactOS Development List
Objet : [ros-dev] "Note: LibreOffice 5.4 will be the last codeline to support Windows
XP or Vista"

 

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Releases/5.4.0/RC1

 

 

FYI

[Thomas Faber]

There's an easy benefit for them: it reduces their test matrix.
That's why you generally only support platforms that have value, rather
than supporting everything unless and until you have a concrete reason
to drop it.


On 2017-06-29 16:08, Hermès BÉLUSCA-MAÏTO wrote:
>   I’m wondering for which useless / fancy features they
> need Windows 7+ support only….
>  
>    
>  
>  H.
>  
>    
>  
>    
>  
>  De : Ros-dev [mailto:[e-mail]] De la part de Javier Agustìn Fernàndez
> Arroyo
>  Envoyé : jeudi 29 juin 2017 15:48
>  À : ReactOS Development List
>  Objet : [ros-dev] "Note: LibreOffice 5.4 will be the last codeline to support
> Windows XP or Vista"
>  
>    
>  
>  https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Releases/5.4.0/RC1
>  
>    
>  
>    
>  
>  FYI

[Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo]

Maybe se could send some mail to those proyects, something like "hey, XP is
dead but we are alive! ;)"

El 29/06/2017 16:56, "Thomas Faber" <thomas.faber(a)reactos.org> escribió:

>   There's an easy benefit for them: it reduces their
> test matrix.
>  That's why you generally only support platforms that have value, rather
>  than supporting everything unless and until you have a concrete reason
>  to drop it.
>
>
>  On 2017-06-29 16:08, Hermès BÉLUSCA-MAÏTO wrote:
>
> >   I’m wondering for which useless / fancy features
> > they need Windows 7+
> >  support only….
> >
> >
> >  H.
> >
> >
> >
> >  De : Ros-dev [mailto:[e-mail]] De la part de Javier
> >  Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo
> >  Envoyé : jeudi 29 juin 2017 15:48
> >  À : ReactOS Development List
> >  Objet : [ros-dev] "Note: LibreOffice 5.4 will be the last codeline to
> >  support Windows XP or Vista"
> >
> >
> >  https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Releases/5.4.0/RC1
> >
> >
> >
> >  FYI
> >  
>  _______________________________________________
>  Ros-dev mailing list
>  Ros-dev(a)reactos.org
>  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev

[David Quintana (gigaherz)]

Or we can continue working on NT6 compatibility... ;P

On 29 June 2017 at 17:29, Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo <elhoir(a)gmail.com>
wrote:

>   Maybe se could send some mail to those proyects,
> something like "hey, XP
>  is dead but we are alive! ;)"
>
>  El 29/06/2017 16:56, "Thomas Faber" <thomas.faber(a)reactos.org> escribió:
>
> >   There's an easy benefit for them: it reduces
> > their test matrix.
> >  That's why you generally only support platforms that have value, rather
> >  than supporting everything unless and until you have a concrete reason
> >  to drop it.
> >
> >
> >  On 2017-06-29 16:08, Hermès BÉLUSCA-MAÏTO wrote:
> >
> > >   I’m wondering for which useless / fancy features
> > > they need Windows 7+
> > >  support only….
> > >
> > >
> > >  H.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >  De : Ros-dev [mailto:[e-mail]] De la part de Javier
> > >  Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo
> > >  Envoyé : jeudi 29 juin 2017 15:48
> > >  À : ReactOS Development List
> > >  Objet : [ros-dev] "Note: LibreOffice 5.4 will be the last codeline to
> > >  support Windows XP or Vista"
> > >
> > >
> > >  https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Releases/5.4.0/RC1
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >  FYI
> > >  
> >  _______________________________________________
> >  Ros-dev mailing list
> >  Ros-dev(a)reactos.org
> >  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev 
>
>  _______________________________________________
>  Ros-dev mailing list
>  Ros-dev(a)reactos.org
>  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
>

[Riccardo Paolo Bestetti]

I’m just gonna snap in for my yearly IT guy NT6 rant: this mindset is going to kill the
project by making it useless whenever it reaches a usable state.
Windows XP/Server 2003 use is *already* marginal as of today, and it’s only gonna get
“worse” as more and more networks get infected by ransomware and institutions all over the
world wake up and update (and as time passes of course). It’s not a matter of “fancy”, it
is a matter of what people use on their computers. With that argument you may as well
advocate for DOS.

Please don’t be offended, as always this is only intended as a reality check.

Best regards,
Riccardo Paolo Bestetti

From: Ros-dev [mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of Hermès BÉLUSCA-MAÏTO
Sent: giovedì 29 giugno 2017 16:09
To: 'ReactOS Development List' <ros-dev(a)reactos.org>
Subject: Re: [ros-dev] "Note: LibreOffice 5.4 will be the last codeline to support
Windows XP or Vista"

I’m wondering for which useless / fancy features they need Windows 7+ support only….

H.


De : Ros-dev [mailto:[e-mail]] De la part de Javier Agustìn Fernàndez
Arroyo
Envoyé : jeudi 29 juin 2017 15:48
À : ReactOS Development List
Objet : [ros-dev] "Note: LibreOffice 5.4 will be the last codeline to support Windows
XP or Vista"

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Releases/5.4.0/RC1


FYI

[Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo]

...which leads me to an obscure question...

"have these last attacks a way to force Windows users to update their PCs?"
:-P

On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 7:04 PM, Alexander Rechitskiy <art1st-tm(a)yandex.ru>
wrote:

>   But ReactOS is Invulnerable for most of  Windows
> XP/Server 2003 malware.
>  And  actually, Windows XP support is not dropped.  Windows Embedded
>  POSReady 2009 will be supported till April 9, 2019​​​​​​​
>
>  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Embedded_Industry
>
>
>  29.06.2017, 19:55, "Riccardo Paolo Bestetti" <riccardo.kyogre(a)live.it>it>:
>
>  I’m just gonna snap in for my yearly IT guy NT6 rant: this mindset is
>  going to kill the project by making it useless whenever it reaches a usable
>  state.
>
>  Windows XP/Server 2003 use is **already** marginal as of today, and it’s
>  only gonna get “worse” as more and more networks get infected by ransomware
>  and institutions all over the world wake up and update (and as time passes
>  of course). It’s not a matter of “fancy”, it is a matter of what people use
>  on their computers. With that argument you may as well advocate for DOS.
>
>
>
>  Please don’t be offended, as always this is only intended as a reality
>  check.
>
>
>
>  Best regards,
>
>  Riccardo Paolo Bestetti
>
>
>
>  *From:* Ros-dev [mailto:[e-mail]] *On Behalf Of *Hermès
>  BÉLUSCA-MAÏTO
>  *Sent:* giovedì 29 giugno 2017 16:09
>  *To:* 'ReactOS Development List' <ros-dev(a)reactos.org>
>  *Subject:* Re: [ros-dev] "Note: LibreOffice 5.4 will be the last codeline
>  to support Windows XP or Vista"
>
>
>
>  I’m wondering for which useless / fancy features they need Windows 7+
>  support only….
>
>
>
>  H.
>
>
>
>
>
>  *De :* Ros-dev [mailto:[e-mail]
>  <ros-dev-bounces(a)reactos.org>] *De la part de* Javier Agustìn Fernàndez
>  Arroyo
>  *Envoyé :* jeudi 29 juin 2017 15:48
>  *À :* ReactOS Development List
>  *Objet :* [ros-dev] "Note: LibreOffice 5.4 will be the last codeline to
>  support Windows XP or Vista"
>
>
>
>  https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Releases/5.4.0/RC1
>
>
>
>
>
>  FYI
>  ,
>
>  _______________________________________________
>  Ros-dev mailing list
>  Ros-dev(a)reactos.org
>  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
>
>
>
>  --
>  Best regards,
>
>
>  _______________________________________________
>  Ros-dev mailing list
>  Ros-dev(a)reactos.org
>  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
>

[Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo]

have been*

On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 7:06 PM, Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo <
elhoir(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:

>   ...which leads me to an obscure question...
>
>  "have these last attacks a way to force Windows users to update their
>  PCs?" :-P
>
>  On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 7:04 PM, Alexander Rechitskiy &lt;art1st-tm(a)yandex.ru
> >   wrote: 
> >   But ReactOS is Invulnerable for most of  Windows
> > XP/Server 2003 malware.
> >  And  actually, Windows XP support is not dropped.  Windows Embedded
> >  POSReady 2009 will be supported till April 9, 2019​​​​​​​
> >
> >  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Embedded_Industry
> >
> >
> >  29.06.2017, 19:55, "Riccardo Paolo Bestetti" &lt;riccardo.kyogre(a)live.it&gt;it>:
> >
> >  I’m just gonna snap in for my yearly IT guy NT6 rant: this mindset is
> >  going to kill the project by making it useless whenever it reaches a usable
> >  state.
> >
> >  Windows XP/Server 2003 use is **already** marginal as of today, and it’s
> >  only gonna get “worse” as more and more networks get infected by ransomware
> >  and institutions all over the world wake up and update (and as time passes
> >  of course). It’s not a matter of “fancy”, it is a matter of what people use
> >  on their computers. With that argument you may as well advocate for DOS.
> >
> >
> >
> >  Please don’t be offended, as always this is only intended as a reality
> >  check.
> >
> >
> >
> >  Best regards,
> >
> >  Riccardo Paolo Bestetti
> >
> >
> >
> >  *From:* Ros-dev [mailto:[e-mail]] *On Behalf Of *Hermès
> >  BÉLUSCA-MAÏTO
> >  *Sent:* giovedì 29 giugno 2017 16:09
> >  *To:* 'ReactOS Development List' &lt;ros-dev(a)reactos.org&gt;
> >  *Subject:* Re: [ros-dev] "Note: LibreOffice 5.4 will be the last
> >  codeline to support Windows XP or Vista"
> >
> >
> >
> >  I’m wondering for which useless / fancy features they need Windows 7+
> >  support only….
> >
> >
> >
> >  H.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  *De :* Ros-dev [mailto:[e-mail]
> >  &lt;ros-dev-bounces(a)reactos.org&gt;] *De la part de* Javier Agustìn Fernàndez
> >  Arroyo
> >  *Envoyé :* jeudi 29 juin 2017 15:48
> >  *À :* ReactOS Development List
> >  *Objet :* [ros-dev] "Note: LibreOffice 5.4 will be the last codeline to
> >  support Windows XP or Vista"
> >
> >
> >
> >  https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Releases/5.4.0/RC1
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  FYI
> >  ,
> >
> >  _______________________________________________
> >  Ros-dev mailing list
> >  Ros-dev(a)reactos.org
> >  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
> >
> >
> >
> >  --
> >  Best regards,
> >
> >
> >  _______________________________________________
> >  Ros-dev mailing list
> >  Ros-dev(a)reactos.org
> >  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
> >  
>

[Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo]

rasomware is definitely not a reason.

Windows XP may be patched against it. Its not a matter of design, but
implementation.

On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 6:54 PM, Riccardo Paolo Bestetti <
riccardo.kyogre(a)live.it&gt; wrote:

>   I’m just gonna snap in for my yearly IT guy NT6 rant:
> this mindset is
>  going to kill the project by making it useless whenever it reaches a usable
>  state.
>
>  Windows XP/Server 2003 use is **already** marginal as of today, and it’s
>  only gonna get “worse” as more and more networks get infected by ransomware
>  and institutions all over the world wake up and update (and as time passes
>  of course). It’s not a matter of “fancy”, it is a matter of what people use
>  on their computers. With that argument you may as well advocate for DOS.
>
>
>
>  Please don’t be offended, as always this is only intended as a reality
>  check.
>
>
>
>  Best regards,
>
>  Riccardo Paolo Bestetti
>
>
>
>  *From:* Ros-dev [mailto:[e-mail]] *On Behalf Of *Hermès
>  BÉLUSCA-MAÏTO
>  *Sent:* giovedì 29 giugno 2017 16:09
>  *To:* 'ReactOS Development List' &lt;ros-dev(a)reactos.org&gt;
>  *Subject:* Re: [ros-dev] "Note: LibreOffice 5.4 will be the last codeline
>  to support Windows XP or Vista"
>
>
>
>  I’m wondering for which useless / fancy features they need Windows 7+
>  support only….
>
>
>
>  H.
>
>
>
>
>
>  *De :* Ros-dev [mailto:[e-mail]
>  &lt;ros-dev-bounces(a)reactos.org&gt;] *De la part de* Javier Agustìn Fernàndez
>  Arroyo
>  *Envoyé :* jeudi 29 juin 2017 15:48
>  *À :* ReactOS Development List
>  *Objet :* [ros-dev] "Note: LibreOffice 5.4 will be the last codeline to
>  support Windows XP or Vista"
>
>
>
>  https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Releases/5.4.0/RC1
>
>
>
>
>
>  FYI
>
>  _______________________________________________
>  Ros-dev mailing list
>  Ros-dev(a)reactos.org
>  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
>

[Riccardo Paolo Bestetti]

Sorry, let me clarify: I don’t think ransomware is a reason to target NT6. I think
ransomware is contributing to wake up big institutions still running NT5 to switch to NT6,
which means more software will be ported to NT6, which means (along with other reasons)
that NT5 will be even less significant than today.

Best regards,
Riccardo Paolo Bestetti

From: Ros-dev [mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of Javier Agustìn Fernàndez
Arroyo
Sent: giovedì 29 giugno 2017 19:05
To: ReactOS Development List <ros-dev(a)reactos.org>
Subject: Re: [ros-dev] "Note: LibreOffice 5.4 will be the last codeline to support
Windows XP or Vista"

rasomware is definitely not a reason.

Windows XP may be patched against it. Its not a matter of design, but implementation.

On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 6:54 PM, Riccardo Paolo Bestetti
<[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
I’m just gonna snap in for my yearly IT guy NT6 rant: this mindset is going to kill the
project by making it useless whenever it reaches a usable state.
Windows XP/Server 2003 use is *already* marginal as of today, and it’s only gonna get
“worse” as more and more networks get infected by ransomware and institutions all over the
world wake up and update (and as time passes of course). It’s not a matter of “fancy”, it
is a matter of what people use on their computers. With that argument you may as well
advocate for DOS.

Please don’t be offended, as always this is only intended as a reality check.

Best regards,
Riccardo Paolo Bestetti

From: Ros-dev
[mailto:[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>] On Behalf
Of Hermès BÉLUSCA-MAÏTO
Sent: giovedì 29 giugno 2017 16:09
To: 'ReactOS Development List'
<[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>
Subject: Re: [ros-dev] "Note: LibreOffice 5.4 will be the last codeline to support
Windows XP or Vista"

I’m wondering for which useless / fancy features they need Windows 7+ support only….

H.


De : Ros-dev [mailto:[e-mail]] De la part de Javier Agustìn Fernàndez
Arroyo
Envoyé : jeudi 29 juin 2017 15:48
À : ReactOS Development List
Objet : [ros-dev] "Note: LibreOffice 5.4 will be the last codeline to support Windows
XP or Vista"

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Releases/5.4.0/RC1


FYI

_______________________________________________
Ros-dev mailing list
[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>
http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev

[Colin Finck]

Rest assured, we know that ReactOS won't be of much use if we stay
NT5-only. Work is underway to provide a seamless support of NT6
applications on top of the existing codebase.
Also the majority of developers should be using an NT6 platform
themselves, so they certainly aim for support for NT6 applications.
Finally, applications compiled by modern versions of Visual Studio are
NT6-only by default, so supporting this platform is unavoidable.

Just my two cents, as the previous replies could lead you to believe
we're failing the reality check.

Cheers,

Colin


Am 29.06.2017 um 18:54 schrieb Riccardo Paolo Bestetti:
>   I’m just gonna snap in for my yearly IT guy NT6 rant:
> this mindset is
>  going to kill the project by making it useless whenever it reaches a
>  usable state.
>  
>  Windows XP/Server 2003 use is **already** marginal as of today, and it’s
>  only gonna get “worse” as more and more networks get infected by
>  ransomware and institutions all over the world wake up and update (and
>  as time passes of course). It’s not a matter of “fancy”, it is a matter
>  of what people use on their computers. With that argument you may as
>  well advocate for DOS.
>  
>   
>  
>  Please don’t be offended, as always this is only intended as a reality
>  check.
>  
>   
>  
>  Best regards,
>  
>  Riccardo Paolo Bestetti
>  
>   
>  
>  *From:*Ros-dev [mailto:[e-mail]] *On Behalf Of
>  *Hermès BÉLUSCA-MAÏTO
>  *Sent:* giovedì 29 giugno 2017 16:09
>  *To:* 'ReactOS Development List' <ros-dev(a)reactos.org>
>  *Subject:* Re: [ros-dev] "Note: LibreOffice 5.4 will be the last
>  codeline to support Windows XP or Vista"
>  
>   
>  
>  I’m wondering for which useless / fancy features they need Windows 7+
>  support only….
>  
>   
>  
>  H.
>  
>   
>  
>   
>  
>  *De :*Ros-dev [mailto:[e-mail]] *De la part de*
>  Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo
>  *Envoyé :* jeudi 29 juin 2017 15:48
>  *À :* ReactOS Development List
>  *Objet :* [ros-dev] "Note: LibreOffice 5.4 will be the last codeline to
>  support Windows XP or Vista"
>  
>   
>  
>  https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Releases/5.4.0/RC1
>  
>   
>  
>   
>  
>  FYI
>  
>  
>  
>  _______________________________________________
>  Ros-dev mailing list
>  Ros-dev(a)reactos.org
>  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
>

[Riccardo Paolo Bestetti]

Hello Colin,
As this definitely wasn't the predominant thinking the last time this same discussion
took place, Hermès' email scared me a bit. Thank you so much for clarifying.

Best regards,
Riccardo Paolo Bestetti

-----Original Message-----
From: Ros-dev [mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of Colin Finck
Sent: giovedì 29 giugno 2017 20:00
To: ros-dev(a)reactos.org
Subject: Re: [ros-dev] "Note: LibreOffice 5.4 will be the last codeline to support
Windows XP or Vista"

Rest assured, we know that ReactOS won't be of much use if we stay NT5-only. Work is
underway to provide a seamless support of NT6 applications on top of the existing
codebase.
Also the majority of developers should be using an NT6 platform themselves, so they
certainly aim for support for NT6 applications.
Finally, applications compiled by modern versions of Visual Studio are NT6-only by
default, so supporting this platform is unavoidable.

Just my two cents, as the previous replies could lead you to believe we're failing the
reality check.

Cheers,

Colin


Am 29.06.2017 um 18:54 schrieb Riccardo Paolo Bestetti:
>   I’m just gonna snap in for my yearly IT guy NT6 rant:
> this mindset is 
>  going to kill the project by making it useless whenever it reaches a 
>  usable state.
>  
>  Windows XP/Server 2003 use is **already** marginal as of today, and 
>  it’s only gonna get “worse” as more and more networks get infected by 
>  ransomware and institutions all over the world wake up and update (and 
>  as time passes of course). It’s not a matter of “fancy”, it is a 
>  matter of what people use on their computers. With that argument you 
>  may as well advocate for DOS.
>  
>   
>  
>  Please don’t be offended, as always this is only intended as a reality 
>  check.
>  
>   
>  
>  Best regards,
>  
>  Riccardo Paolo Bestetti
>  
>   
>  
>  *From:*Ros-dev [mailto:[e-mail]] *On Behalf Of 
>  *Hermès BÉLUSCA-MAÏTO
>  *Sent:* giovedì 29 giugno 2017 16:09
>  *To:* 'ReactOS Development List' <ros-dev(a)reactos.org>
>  *Subject:* Re: [ros-dev] "Note: LibreOffice 5.4 will be the last 
>  codeline to support Windows XP or Vista"
>  
>   
>  
>  I’m wondering for which useless / fancy features they need Windows 7+ 
>  support only….
>  
>   
>  
>  H.
>  
>   
>  
>   
>  
>  *De :*Ros-dev [mailto:[e-mail]] *De la part de* 
>  Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo *Envoyé :* jeudi 29 juin 2017 15:48 *À 
>  :* ReactOS Development List *Objet :* [ros-dev] "Note: LibreOffice 5.4 
>  will be the last codeline to support Windows XP or Vista"
>  
>   
>  
>  https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Releases/5.4.0/RC1
>  
>   
>  
>   
>  
>  FYI
>  
>  
>  
>  _______________________________________________
>  Ros-dev mailing list
>  Ros-dev(a)reactos.org
>  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
>  
>  
_______________________________________________
Ros-dev mailing list
Ros-dev(a)reactos.org
http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev

I think it’s no neccesary to implement NT6, only to avoid the compatibility tests to NT6
and implement only the characteristics that the most of the programs uses.

Best regards
Antonio J. Arrieta Cuartero 

Enviado desde mi Lumia 635 con Windows 10 Mobile

De: Riccardo Paolo Bestetti
Enviado: jueves, 29 de junio de 2017 22:11
Para: ReactOS Development List
Asunto: Re: [ros-dev] "Note: LibreOffice 5.4 will be the last codeline tosupport
Windows XP or Vista"

Hello Colin,
As this definitely wasn't the predominant thinking the last time this same discussion
took place, Hermès' email scared me a bit. Thank you so much for clarifying.

Best regards,
Riccardo Paolo Bestetti

-----Original Message-----
From: Ros-dev [mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of Colin Finck
Sent: giovedì 29 giugno 2017 20:00
To: ros-dev(a)reactos.org
Subject: Re: [ros-dev] "Note: LibreOffice 5.4 will be the last codeline to support
Windows XP or Vista"

Rest assured, we know that ReactOS won't be of much use if we stay NT5-only. Work is
underway to provide a seamless support of NT6 applications on top of the existing
codebase.
Also the majority of developers should be using an NT6 platform themselves, so they
certainly aim for support for NT6 applications.
Finally, applications compiled by modern versions of Visual Studio are NT6-only by
default, so supporting this platform is unavoidable.

Just my two cents, as the previous replies could lead you to believe we're failing the
reality check.

Cheers,

Colin


Am 29.06.2017 um 18:54 schrieb Riccardo Paolo Bestetti:
>   I’m just gonna snap in for my yearly IT guy NT6 rant:
> this mindset is 
>  going to kill the project by making it useless whenever it reaches a 
>  usable state.
>  
>  Windows XP/Server 2003 use is **already** marginal as of today, and 
>  it’s only gonna get “worse” as more and more networks get infected by 
>  ransomware and institutions all over the world wake up and update (and 
>  as time passes of course). It’s not a matter of “fancy”, it is a 
>  matter of what people use on their computers. With that argument you 
>  may as well advocate for DOS.
>  
>   
>  
>  Please don’t be offended, as always this is only intended as a reality 
>  check.
>  
>   
>  
>  Best regards,
>  
>  Riccardo Paolo Bestetti
>  
>   
>  
>  *From:*Ros-dev [mailto:[e-mail]] *On Behalf Of 
>  *Hermès BÉLUSCA-MAÏTO
>  *Sent:* giovedì 29 giugno 2017 16:09
>  *To:* 'ReactOS Development List' <ros-dev(a)reactos.org>
>  *Subject:* Re: [ros-dev] "Note: LibreOffice 5.4 will be the last 
>  codeline to support Windows XP or Vista"
>  
>   
>  
>  I’m wondering for which useless / fancy features they need Windows 7+ 
>  support only….
>  
>   
>  
>  H.
>  
>   
>  
>   
>  
>  *De :*Ros-dev [mailto:[e-mail]] *De la part de* 
>  Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo *Envoyé :* jeudi 29 juin 2017 15:48 *À 
>  :* ReactOS Development List *Objet :* [ros-dev] "Note: LibreOffice 5.4 
>  will be the last codeline to support Windows XP or Vista"
>  
>   
>  
>  https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Releases/5.4.0/RC1
>  
>   
>  
>   
>  
>  FYI
>  
>  
>  
>  _______________________________________________
>  Ros-dev mailing list
>  Ros-dev(a)reactos.org
>  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
>   
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[Ged Murphy]

That’s what’s currently being worked on.

The kernel still closely follows the NT5.2 architecture, but user mode will have NT6+
compatibility shims to allow modern applications to run correctly.

 

From: Ros-dev [mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of ajaczgz(a)yahoo.es
Sent: 30 June 2017 05:47
To: ReactOS Development List <ros-dev(a)reactos.org>
Subject: Re: [ros-dev] "Note: LibreOffice 5.4 will be the last codeline tosupport
Windows XP or Vista"

 

I think it’s no neccesary to implement NT6, only to avoid the compatibility tests to NT6
and implement only the characteristics that the most of the programs uses.

 

Best regards

Antonio J. Arrieta Cuartero 

 

Enviado desde mi Lumia 635 con Windows 10 Mobile

 

De: Riccardo Paolo Bestetti <mailto:[e-mail]
>    
Enviado: jueves, 29 de junio de 2017 22:11
Para: ReactOS Development List <mailto:[e-mail]
>   
Asunto: Re: [ros-dev] "Note: LibreOffice 5.4 will be the last codeline
tosupport Windows XP or Vista"

 

Hello Colin,

As this definitely wasn't the predominant thinking the last time this same discussion
took place, Hermès' email scared me a bit. Thank you so much for clarifying.

 

Best regards,

Riccardo Paolo Bestetti

 

-----Original Message-----

From: Ros-dev [mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of Colin Finck

Sent: giovedì 29 giugno 2017 20:00

To: ros-dev(a)reactos.org <mailto:[e-mail]
>   
Subject: Re: [ros-dev] "Note: LibreOffice 5.4 will be the last codeline to support
Windows XP or Vista"

 

Rest assured, we know that ReactOS won't be of much use if we stay NT5-only. Work is
underway to provide a seamless support of NT6 applications on top of the existing
codebase.

Also the majority of developers should be using an NT6 platform themselves, so they
certainly aim for support for NT6 applications.

Finally, applications compiled by modern versions of Visual Studio are NT6-only by
default, so supporting this platform is unavoidable.

 

Just my two cents, as the previous replies could lead you to believe we're failing the
reality check.

 

Cheers,

 

Colin

 

 

Am 29.06.2017 um 18:54 schrieb Riccardo Paolo Bestetti:

>   I’m just gonna snap in for my yearly IT guy NT6 rant:
> this mindset is  
>   going to kill the project by making it useless
> whenever it reaches a  
>   usable state. 
>    
>   Windows XP/Server 2003 use is **already** marginal as
> of today, and  
>   it’s only gonna get “worse” as more and more networks
> get infected by  
>   ransomware and institutions all over the world wake up
> and update (and  
>   as time passes of course). It’s not a matter of
> “fancy”, it is a  
>   matter of what people use on their computers. With
> that argument you  
>   may as well advocate for DOS. 
>    
>     
>    
>   Please don’t be offended, as always this is only
> intended as a reality  
>   check. 
>    
>     
>    
>   Best regards, 
>    
>   Riccardo Paolo Bestetti 
>    
>     
>    
>   *From:*Ros-dev [mailto:[e-mail]]
> *On Behalf Of  
>   *Hermès BÉLUSCA-MAÏTO 
>   *Sent:* giovedì 29 giugno 2017 16:09 
>   *To:* 'ReactOS Development List'
> &lt;ros-dev(a)reactos.org <mailto:[e-mail]> > 
>   *Subject:* Re: [ros-dev] "Note: LibreOffice 5.4
> will be the last  
>   codeline to support Windows XP or Vista" 
>    
>     
>    
>   I’m wondering for which useless / fancy features they
> need Windows 7+  
>   support only…. 
>    
>     
>    
>   H. 
>    
>     
>    
>     
>    
>   *De :*Ros-dev [mailto:[e-mail]] *De
> la part de*  
>   Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo *Envoyé :* jeudi 29
> juin 2017 15:48 *À  
>   :* ReactOS Development List *Objet :* [ros-dev]
> "Note: LibreOffice 5.4  
>   will be the last codeline to support Windows XP or
> Vista" 
>    
>     
>    
>   https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Releases/5.4.0/RC1
>    
>     
>    
>     
>    
>   FYI 
>    
>    
>    
>   _______________________________________________
>   Ros-dev mailing list 
>   Ros-dev(a)reactos.org 
>   http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
>    
 

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[Michael Fritscher]

Hi,

is there a list which need to be done to get the basic NT6 architecture
just to get feeling how much work it is? Sadly, I'm afraid that we'll
need a proper NT6 architecture to get modern drivers running, won't we?

Best regards,
Michael Fritscher

On 30.06.2017 11:46, Ged Murphy wrote:
>   That’s what’s currently being worked on.
>  
>  The kernel still closely follows the NT5.2 architecture, but user mode will have NT6+
> compatibility shims to allow modern applications to run correctly.
>  
>   
>  
>  From: Ros-dev [mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of ajaczgz(a)yahoo.es
>  Sent: 30 June 2017 05:47
>  To: ReactOS Development List <ros-dev(a)reactos.org
> >   
>  Subject: Re: [ros-dev] "Note: LibreOffice 5.4 will be the
> last codeline tosupport Windows XP or Vista"
>  
>   
>  
>  I think it’s no neccesary to implement NT6, only to avoid the compatibility tests to NT6
> and implement only the characteristics that the most of the programs uses.
>  
>   
>  
>  Best regards
>  
>  Antonio J. Arrieta Cuartero 
>  
>   
>  
>  Enviado desde mi Lumia 635 con Windows 10 Mobile
>  
>   
>  
>  De: Riccardo Paolo Bestetti <mailto:[e-mail]> 
>  Enviado: jueves, 29 de junio de 2017 22:11
>  Para: ReactOS Development List <mailto:[e-mail]> 
>  Asunto: Re: [ros-dev] "Note: LibreOffice 5.4 will be the last codeline tosupport
> Windows XP or Vista"
>  
>   
>  
>  Hello Colin,
>  
>  As this definitely wasn't the predominant thinking the last time this same discussion
> took place, Hermès' email scared me a bit. Thank you so much for clarifying.
>  
>   
>  
>  Best regards,
>  
>  Riccardo Paolo Bestetti
>  
>   
>  
>  -----Original Message-----
>  
>  From: Ros-dev [mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of Colin Finck
>  
>  Sent: giovedì 29 giugno 2017 20:00
>  
>  To: ros-dev(a)reactos.org <mailto:[e-mail]> 
>  
>  Subject: Re: [ros-dev] "Note: LibreOffice 5.4 will be the last codeline to support
> Windows XP or Vista"
>  
>   
>  
>  Rest assured, we know that ReactOS won't be of much use if we stay NT5-only. Work is
> underway to provide a seamless support of NT6 applications on top of the existing
> codebase.
>  
>  Also the majority of developers should be using an NT6 platform themselves, so they
> certainly aim for support for NT6 applications.
>  
>  Finally, applications compiled by modern versions of Visual Studio are NT6-only by
> default, so supporting this platform is unavoidable.
>  
>   
>  
>  Just my two cents, as the previous replies could lead you to believe we're failing
> the reality check.
>  
>   
>  
>  Cheers,
>  
>   
>  
>  Colin
>  
>   
>  
>   
>  
>  Am 29.06.2017 um 18:54 schrieb Riccardo Paolo Bestetti:
>  
> >   I’m just gonna snap in for my yearly IT guy NT6
> > rant: this mindset is  
>  
> >   going to kill the project by making it useless
> > whenever it reaches a  
>  
> >   usable state. 
>  
> >   
>  
> >   Windows XP/Server 2003 use is **already**
> > marginal as of today, and  
>  
> >   it’s only gonna get “worse” as more and more
> > networks get infected by  
>  
> >   ransomware and institutions all over the world
> > wake up and update (and  
>  
> >   as time passes of course). It’s not a matter of
> > “fancy”, it is a  
>  
> >   matter of what people use on their computers.
> > With that argument you  
>  
> >   may as well advocate for DOS. 
>  
> >   
>  
> >     
>  
> >   
>  
> >   Please don’t be offended, as always this is only
> > intended as a reality  
>  
> >   check. 
>  
> >   
>  
> >     
>  
> >   
>  
> >   Best regards, 
>  
> >   
>  
> >   Riccardo Paolo Bestetti 
>  
> >   
>  
> >     
>  
> >   
>  
> >   *From:*Ros-dev
> > [mailto:[e-mail]] *On Behalf Of  
>  
> >   *Hermès BÉLUSCA-MAÏTO 
>  
> >   *Sent:* giovedì 29 giugno 2017 16:09 
>  
> > *To:* 'ReactOS Development List' &lt;ros-dev(a)reactos.org
> <mailto:[e-mail]>
> >   
>  
> >   *Subject:* Re: [ros-dev] "Note: LibreOffice
> > 5.4 will be the last  
>  
> >   codeline to support Windows XP or Vista"
>  
> >   
>  
> >     
>  
> >   
>  
> >   I’m wondering for which useless / fancy features
> > they need Windows 7+  
>  
> >   support only…. 
>  
> >   
>  
> >     
>  
> >   
>  
> >   H. 
>  
> >   
>  
> >     
>  
> >   
>  
> >     
>  
> >   
>  
> >   *De :*Ros-dev
> > [mailto:[e-mail]] *De la part de*  
>  
> >   Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo *Envoyé :* jeudi
> > 29 juin 2017 15:48 *À  
>  
> >   :* ReactOS Development List *Objet :* [ros-dev]
> > "Note: LibreOffice 5.4  
>  
> >   will be the last codeline to support Windows XP
> > or Vista" 
>  
> >   
>  
> >     
>  
> >   
>  
> >  
> > https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Releases/5.4.0/RC1 
>  
> >   
>  
> >     
>  
> >   
>  
> >     
>  
> >   
>  
> >   FYI 
>  
> >   
>  
> >   
>  
> >   
>  
> >   _______________________________________________
>  
> >   Ros-dev mailing list 
>  
> >   Ros-dev(a)reactos.org 
>  
> >   http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
>  
> >   
>  
>   
>  
>  _______________________________________________
>  
>  Ros-dev mailing list
>  
>  Ros-dev(a)reactos.org <mailto:[e-mail]> 
>  
>  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
>  
>  _______________________________________________
>  
>  Ros-dev mailing list
>  
>  Ros-dev(a)reactos.org <mailto:[e-mail]> 
>  
>  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
>  
>   
>  
>  
>  
>  
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>

[Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo]

hello again guys,

What if we get latest NT5 libreoffice version (5.4.6 as of now, and
5.4.7-rc1 is out) just for testing purposes? i guess it will be dropped
from official website, andi don´t know if it will be still available in any
way......

On Sat, Jul 1, 2017 at 9:29 AM, Michael Fritscher <michael(a)fritscher.net>
wrote:

>   Hi,
>
>  is there a list which need to be done to get the basic NT6 architecture
>  just to get feeling how much work it is? Sadly, I'm afraid that we'll
>  need a proper NT6 architecture to get modern drivers running, won't we?
>
>  Best regards,
>  Michael Fritscher
>
>  On 30.06.2017 11:46, Ged Murphy wrote:
> >   That’s what’s currently being worked on.
> >
> >  The kernel still closely follows the NT5.2 architecture, but user mode 
>  will have
> NT6+ compatibility shims to allow modern applications to run
>  correctly.
> >  
> >
> >
> >  From: Ros-dev [mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of 
>  ajaczgz(a)yahoo.es
> >   Sent: 30 June 2017 05:47
> >  To: ReactOS Development List <ros-dev(a)reactos.org>
> >  Subject: Re: [ros-dev] "Note: LibreOffice 5.4 will be the last codeline 
> tosupport Windows XP or Vista"
> >  
> >
> >
> >  I think it’s no neccesary to implement NT6, only to avoid the 
>  compatibility tests
> to NT6 and implement only the characteristics that the
>  most of the programs uses.
> >  
> >
> >
> >  Best regards
> >
> >  Antonio J. Arrieta Cuartero
> >
> >
> >
> >  Enviado desde mi Lumia 635 con Windows 10 Mobile
> >
> >
> >
> >  De: Riccardo Paolo Bestetti <mailto:[e-mail]>
> >  Enviado: jueves, 29 de junio de 2017 22:11
> >  Para: ReactOS Development List <mailto:[e-mail]>
> >  Asunto: Re: [ros-dev] "Note: LibreOffice 5.4 will be the last codeline 
> tosupport Windows XP or Vista"
> >  
> >
> >
> >  Hello Colin,
> >
> >  As this definitely wasn't the predominant thinking the last time this 
>  same
> discussion took place, Hermès' email scared me a bit. Thank you so
>  much for clarifying.
> >  
> >
> >
> >  Best regards,
> >
> >  Riccardo Paolo Bestetti
> >
> >
> >
> >  -----Original Message-----
> >
> >  From: Ros-dev [mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of Colin 
>  Finck
> >  
> >  Sent: giovedì 29 giugno 2017 20:00
> >
> >  To: ros-dev(a)reactos.org <mailto:[e-mail]>
> >
> >  Subject: Re: [ros-dev] "Note: LibreOffice 5.4 will be the last codeline 
>  to
> support Windows XP or Vista"
> >  
> >
> >
> >  Rest assured, we know that ReactOS won't be of much use if we stay 
>  NT5-only.
> Work is underway to provide a seamless support of NT6
>  applications on top of the existing codebase.
> >  
> >  Also the majority of developers should be using an NT6 platform 
>  themselves, so
> they certainly aim for support for NT6 applications.
> >  
> >  Finally, applications compiled by modern versions of Visual Studio are 
>  NT6-only by
> default, so supporting this platform is unavoidable.
> >  
> >
> >
> >  Just my two cents, as the previous replies could lead you to believe 
>  we're
> failing the reality check.
> >  
> >
> >
> >  Cheers,
> >
> >
> >
> >  Colin
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  Am 29.06.2017 um 18:54 schrieb Riccardo Paolo Bestetti:
> >
> > >   I’m just gonna snap in for my yearly IT guy NT6
> > > rant: this mindset is 
> > >   going to kill the project by making it useless
> > > whenever it reaches a 
> > >   usable state. 
> > >   
> > >   Windows XP/Server 2003 use is **already**
> > > marginal as of today, and 
> > >   it’s only gonna get “worse” as more and more
> > > networks get infected by 
> > >   ransomware and institutions all over the world
> > > wake up and update (and 
> > >   as time passes of course). It’s not a matter of
> > > “fancy”, it is a 
> > >   matter of what people use on their computers.
> > > With that argument you 
> > >   may as well advocate for DOS. 
> > >   
> > >   
> > >   
> > >   Please don’t be offended, as always this is only
> > > intended as a reality 
> > >   check. 
> > >   
> > >   
> > >   
> > >   Best regards, 
> > >   
> > >   Riccardo Paolo Bestetti 
> > >   
> > >   
> > >   
> > >   *From:*Ros-dev
> > > [mailto:[e-mail]] *On Behalf Of 
> > >   *Hermès BÉLUSCA-MAÏTO 
> > >   *Sent:* giovedì 29 giugno 2017 16:09 
> > > *To:* 'ReactOS Development List' &lt;ros-dev(a)reactos.org <mailto: 
> ros-dev(a)reactos.org&gt; >
> >  
> > >   *Subject:* Re: [ros-dev] "Note: LibreOffice
> > > 5.4 will be the last 
> > >   codeline to support Windows XP or Vista"
> > >   
> > >   
> > >   
> > >   I’m wondering for which useless / fancy features
> > > they need Windows 7+ 
> > >   support only…. 
> > >   
> > >   
> > >   
> > >   H. 
> > >   
> > >   
> > >   
> > >   
> > >   
> > >   *De :*Ros-dev
> > > [mailto:[e-mail]] *De la part de* 
> > >   Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo *Envoyé :* jeudi
> > > 29 juin 2017 15:48 *À 
> > >   :* ReactOS Development List *Objet :* [ros-dev]
> > > "Note: LibreOffice 5.4 
> > >   will be the last codeline to support Windows XP
> > > or Vista" 
> > >   
> > >   
> > >   
> > >  
> > > https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Releases/5.4.0/RC1 
> > >   
> > >   
> > >   
> > >   
> > >   
> > >   FYI 
> > >   
> > >   
> > >   
> > >   _______________________________________________
> > >   Ros-dev mailing list 
> > >   Ros-dev(a)reactos.org 
> > >   http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
> > >   
> >
> >
> >  _______________________________________________
> >
> >  Ros-dev mailing list
> >
> >  Ros-dev(a)reactos.org <mailto:[e-mail]
> > >  
> >  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
> >
> >  _______________________________________________
> >
> >  Ros-dev mailing list
> >
> >  Ros-dev(a)reactos.org <mailto:[e-mail]
> > >  
> >  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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[David Quintana (gigaherz)]

No need to panick, they themselves link to this as an archive of old
versions: https://downloadarchive.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/old/
So even if it's gone from their own site, it should remain there.

On 6 May 2018 at 00:30, Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo <elhoir(a)gmail.com>
wrote:

>   hello again guys,
>
>  What if we get latest NT5 libreoffice version (5.4.6 as of now, and
>  5.4.7-rc1 is out) just for testing purposes? i guess it will be dropped
>  from official website, andi don´t know if it will be still available in any
>  way......
>
>  On Sat, Jul 1, 2017 at 9:29 AM, Michael Fritscher <michael(a)fritscher.net>
>  wrote:
>
> >   Hi,
> >
> >  is there a list which need to be done to get the basic NT6 architecture
> >  just to get feeling how much work it is? Sadly, I'm afraid that we'll
> >  need a proper NT6 architecture to get modern drivers running, won't we?
> >
> >  Best regards,
> >  Michael Fritscher
> >
> >  On 30.06.2017 11:46, Ged Murphy wrote:
> > >   That’s what’s currently being worked on.
> > >
> > >  The kernel still closely follows the NT5.2 architecture, but user mode 
> >  will have
> > NT6+ compatibility shims to allow modern applications to run
> >  correctly.
> > >  
> > >
> > >
> > >  From: Ros-dev [mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of 
> >  ajaczgz(a)yahoo.es
> > >   Sent: 30 June 2017 05:47
> > >  To: ReactOS Development List <ros-dev(a)reactos.org>
> > >  Subject: Re: [ros-dev] "Note: LibreOffice 5.4 will be the last codeline 
> > tosupport Windows XP or Vista"
> > >  
> > >
> > >
> > >  I think it’s no neccesary to implement NT6, only to avoid the 
> >  compatibility tests
> > to NT6 and implement only the characteristics that the
> >  most of the programs uses.
> > >  
> > >
> > >
> > >  Best regards
> > >
> > >  Antonio J. Arrieta Cuartero
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >  Enviado desde mi Lumia 635 con Windows 10 Mobile
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >  De: Riccardo Paolo Bestetti <mailto:[e-mail]>
> > >  Enviado: jueves, 29 de junio de 2017 22:11
> > >  Para: ReactOS Development List <mailto:[e-mail]>
> > >  Asunto: Re: [ros-dev] "Note: LibreOffice 5.4 will be the last codeline 
> > tosupport Windows XP or Vista"
> > >  
> > >
> > >
> > >  Hello Colin,
> > >
> > >  As this definitely wasn't the predominant thinking the last time this 
> >  same
> > discussion took place, Hermès' email scared me a bit. Thank you so
> >  much for clarifying.
> > >  
> > >
> > >
> > >  Best regards,
> > >
> > >  Riccardo Paolo Bestetti
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >  -----Original Message-----
> > >
> > >  From: Ros-dev [mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of Colin 
> >  Finck
> > >  
> > >  Sent: giovedì 29 giugno 2017 20:00
> > >
> > >  To: ros-dev(a)reactos.org <mailto:[e-mail]>
> > >
> > >  Subject: Re: [ros-dev] "Note: LibreOffice 5.4 will be the last codeline 
> >  to
> > support Windows XP or Vista"
> > >  
> > >
> > >
> > >  Rest assured, we know that ReactOS won't be of much use if we stay 
> >  NT5-only.
> > Work is underway to provide a seamless support of NT6
> >  applications on top of the existing codebase.
> > >  
> > >  Also the majority of developers should be using an NT6 platform 
> >  themselves, so
> > they certainly aim for support for NT6 applications.
> > >  
> > >  Finally, applications compiled by modern versions of Visual Studio are 
> >  NT6-only by
> > default, so supporting this platform is unavoidable.
> > >  
> > >
> > >
> > >  Just my two cents, as the previous replies could lead you to believe 
> >  we're
> > failing the reality check.
> > >  
> > >
> > >
> > >  Cheers,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >  Colin
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >  Am 29.06.2017 um 18:54 schrieb Riccardo Paolo Bestetti:
> > >
> > > >   I’m just gonna snap in for my yearly IT guy NT6
> > > > rant: this mindset is 
> > > >   going to kill the project by making it useless
> > > > whenever it reaches a 
> > > >   usable state. 
> > > >   
> > > >   Windows XP/Server 2003 use is **already**
> > > > marginal as of today, and 
> > > >   it’s only gonna get “worse” as more and more
> > > > networks get infected by 
> > > >   ransomware and institutions all over the world
> > > > wake up and update (and 
> > > >   as time passes of course). It’s not a matter of
> > > > “fancy”, it is a 
> > > >   matter of what people use on their computers.
> > > > With that argument you 
> > > >   may as well advocate for DOS. 
> > > >   
> > > >   
> > > >   
> > > >   Please don’t be offended, as always this is only
> > > > intended as a reality 
> > > >   check. 
> > > >   
> > > >   
> > > >   
> > > >   Best regards, 
> > > >   
> > > >   Riccardo Paolo Bestetti 
> > > >   
> > > >   
> > > >   
> > > >   *From:*Ros-dev
> > > > [mailto:[e-mail]] *On Behalf Of 
> > > >   *Hermès BÉLUSCA-MAÏTO 
> > > >   *Sent:* giovedì 29 giugno 2017 16:09 
> > > > *To:* 'ReactOS Development List' &lt;ros-dev(a)reactos.org <mailto: 
> > ros-dev(a)reactos.org&gt; >
> > >  
> > > >   *Subject:* Re: [ros-dev] "Note: LibreOffice
> > > > 5.4 will be the last 
> > > >   codeline to support Windows XP or Vista"
> > > >   
> > > >   
> > > >   
> > > >   I’m wondering for which useless / fancy features
> > > > they need Windows 7+ 
> > > >   support only…. 
> > > >   
> > > >   
> > > >   
> > > >   H. 
> > > >   
> > > >   
> > > >   
> > > >   
> > > >   
> > > >   *De :*Ros-dev
> > > > [mailto:[e-mail]] *De la part de* 
> > > >   Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo *Envoyé :* jeudi
> > > > 29 juin 2017 15:48 *À 
> > > >   :* ReactOS Development List *Objet :* [ros-dev]
> > > > "Note: LibreOffice 5.4 
> > > >   will be the last codeline to support Windows XP
> > > > or Vista" 
> > > >   
> > > >   
> > > >   
> > > >  
> > > > https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Releases/5.4.0/RC1 
> > > >   
> > > >   
> > > >   
> > > >   
> > > >   
> > > >   FYI 
> > > >   
> > > >   
> > > >   
> > > >   _______________________________________________
> > > >   Ros-dev mailing list 
> > > >   Ros-dev(a)reactos.org 
> > > >   http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
> > > >   
> > >
> > >
> > >  _______________________________________________
> > >
> > >  Ros-dev mailing list
> > >
> > >  Ros-dev(a)reactos.org <mailto:[e-mail]
> > > >  
> > >  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
> > >
> > >  _______________________________________________
> > >
> > >  Ros-dev mailing list
> > >
> > >  Ros-dev(a)reactos.org <mailto:[e-mail]
> > > >  
> > >  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >  _______________________________________________
> > >  Ros-dev mailing list
> > >  Ros-dev(a)reactos.org
> > >  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
> > >  
> >
> >  _______________________________________________
> >  Ros-dev mailing list
> >  Ros-dev(a)reactos.org
> >  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
> >  
>
>  _______________________________________________
>  Ros-dev mailing list
>  Ros-dev(a)reactos.org
>  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
>

[Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo]

as an alternative, Apache OpenOffice still supports NT5

On Sun, May 6, 2018 at 12:38 AM, David Quintana (gigaherz) <
gigaherz(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:

>   No need to panick, they themselves link to this as an
> archive of old
>  versions: https://downloadarchive.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/old/
>  So even if it's gone from their own site, it should remain there.
>
>  On 6 May 2018 at 00:30, Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo &lt;elhoir(a)gmail.com&gt;
>  wrote:
>
> >   hello again guys,
> >
> >  What if we get latest NT5 libreoffice version (5.4.6 as of now, and
> >  5.4.7-rc1 is out) just for testing purposes? i guess it will be dropped
> >  from official website, andi don´t know if it will be still available in any
> >  way......
> >
> >  On Sat, Jul 1, 2017 at 9:29 AM, Michael Fritscher &lt;michael(a)fritscher.net&gt;
> >  wrote:
> >
> > >   Hi,
> > >
> > >  is there a list which need to be done to get the basic NT6 architecture
> > >  just to get feeling how much work it is? Sadly, I'm afraid that we'll
> > >  need a proper NT6 architecture to get modern drivers running, won't we?
> > >
> > >  Best regards,
> > >  Michael Fritscher
> > >
> > >  On 30.06.2017 11:46, Ged Murphy wrote:
> > > >   That’s what’s currently being worked on.
> > > >
> > > >  The kernel still closely follows the NT5.2 architecture, but user mode 
> > >  will have
> > > NT6+ compatibility shims to allow modern applications to run
> > >  correctly.
> > > >  
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >  From: Ros-dev [mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of 
> > >  ajaczgz(a)yahoo.es
> > > >   Sent: 30 June 2017 05:47
> > > >  To: ReactOS Development List &lt;ros-dev(a)reactos.org&gt;
> > > >  Subject: Re: [ros-dev] "Note: LibreOffice 5.4 will be the last 
> > >  codeline
> > > tosupport Windows XP or Vista"
> > > >  
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >  I think it’s no neccesary to implement NT6, only to avoid the 
> > >  compatibility tests
> > > to NT6 and implement only the characteristics that the
> > >  most of the programs uses.
> > > >  
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >  Best regards
> > > >
> > > >  Antonio J. Arrieta Cuartero
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >  Enviado desde mi Lumia 635 con Windows 10 Mobile
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >  De: Riccardo Paolo Bestetti <mailto:[e-mail]>
> > > >  Enviado: jueves, 29 de junio de 2017 22:11
> > > >  Para: ReactOS Development List <mailto:[e-mail]>
> > > >  Asunto: Re: [ros-dev] "Note: LibreOffice 5.4 will be the last codeline 
> > > tosupport Windows XP or Vista"
> > > >  
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >  Hello Colin,
> > > >
> > > >  As this definitely wasn't the predominant thinking the last time this 
> > >  same
> > > discussion took place, Hermès' email scared me a bit. Thank you so
> > >  much for clarifying.
> > > >  
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >  Best regards,
> > > >
> > > >  Riccardo Paolo Bestetti
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >  -----Original Message-----
> > > >
> > > >  From: Ros-dev [mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of Colin 
> > >  Finck
> > > >  
> > > >  Sent: giovedì 29 giugno 2017 20:00
> > > >
> > > >  To: ros-dev(a)reactos.org <mailto:[e-mail]>
> > > >
> > > >  Subject: Re: [ros-dev] "Note: LibreOffice 5.4 will be the last 
> > >  codeline to
> > > support Windows XP or Vista"
> > > >  
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >  Rest assured, we know that ReactOS won't be of much use if we stay 
> > >  NT5-only.
> > > Work is underway to provide a seamless support of NT6
> > >  applications on top of the existing codebase.
> > > >  
> > > >  Also the majority of developers should be using an NT6 platform 
> > >  themselves, so
> > > they certainly aim for support for NT6 applications.
> > > >  
> > > >  Finally, applications compiled by modern versions of Visual Studio are 
> > >  NT6-only by
> > > default, so supporting this platform is unavoidable.
> > > >  
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >  Just my two cents, as the previous replies could lead you to believe 
> > >  we're
> > > failing the reality check.
> > > >  
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >  Cheers,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >  Colin
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >  Am 29.06.2017 um 18:54 schrieb Riccardo Paolo Bestetti:
> > > >
> > > > > I’m just gonna snap in for my yearly IT guy NT6 rant: this mindset is
> > > >
> > > > > going to kill the project by making it useless whenever it reaches a
> > > >
> > > > > usable state.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Windows XP/Server 2003 use is **already** marginal as of today, and
> > > >
> > > > > it’s only gonna get “worse” as more and more networks get infected by
> > > >
> > > > > ransomware and institutions all over the world wake up and update 
> > >  (and
> > > >  
> > > > > as time passes of course). It’s not a matter of “fancy”, it is a
> > > >
> > > > > matter of what people use on their computers. With that argument you
> > > >
> > > > > may as well advocate for DOS.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Please don’t be offended, as always this is only intended as a 
> > >  reality
> > > >  
> > > > > check.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Best regards,
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Riccardo Paolo Bestetti
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > *From:*Ros-dev [mailto:[e-mail]] *On Behalf Of
> > > >
> > > > > *Hermès BÉLUSCA-MAÏTO
> > > >
> > > > > *Sent:* giovedì 29 giugno 2017 16:09
> > > >
> > > > > *To:* 'ReactOS Development List' &lt;ros-dev(a)reactos.org <mailto: 
> > > ros-dev(a)reactos.org&gt; >
> > > >  
> > > > > *Subject:* Re: [ros-dev] "Note: LibreOffice 5.4 will be the last
> > > >
> > > > > codeline to support Windows XP or Vista"
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I’m wondering for which useless / fancy features they need Windows 7+
> > > >
> > > > > support only….
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > H.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > *De :*Ros-dev [mailto:[e-mail]] *De la part de*
> > > >
> > > > > Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo *Envoyé :* jeudi 29 juin 2017 15:48 
> > >  *À
> > > >  
> > > > > :* ReactOS Development List *Objet :* [ros-dev] "Note: LibreOffice 
> > >  5.4
> > > >  
> > > > > will be the last codeline to support Windows XP or Vista"
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Releases/5.4.0/RC1
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > FYI
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > >
> > > > > Ros-dev mailing list
> > > >
> > > > > Ros-dev(a)reactos.org
> > > >
> > > > > http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >  _______________________________________________
> > > >
> > > >  Ros-dev mailing list
> > > >
> > > >  Ros-dev(a)reactos.org <mailto:[e-mail]>
> > > >
> > > >  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
> > > >
> > > >  _______________________________________________
> > > >
> > > >  Ros-dev mailing list
> > > >
> > > >  Ros-dev(a)reactos.org <mailto:[e-mail]>
> > > >
> > > >  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >  _______________________________________________
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> > > >  Ros-dev(a)reactos.org
> > > >  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
> > > >  
> > >
> > >  _______________________________________________
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> > >  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
> > >  
> >
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> >  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
> >  
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[Erkin Alp Güney]

Apache OpenOffice does not fully support newer features of ODF.


06-05-2018 02:02 tarihinde Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo yazdı:
>   as an alternative, Apache OpenOffice still supports
> NT5
>