RE: [ros-dev] Patent on FAT

[Murphy, Ged (Bolton)]

Ge van Geldorp wrote:
> AFAIK, it is about storing both a long and a short filename 
> for the same
> file in the same directory.
>
> GvG

Do we really need the ability to store short file names?
Can we not just remove that feature entirely?

Ged.

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[TwoTailedFox]

That's needed for 16-Bit App support, Ged, if I recall correctly.

On 1/11/06, Murphy, Ged (Bolton) [e-mail] wrote:
> Ge van Geldorp wrote:
> > AFAIK, it is about storing both a long and a short filename
> > for the same
> > file in the same directory.
> >
> > GvG
>
> Do we really need the ability to store short file names?
> Can we not just remove that feature entirely?
>
> Ged.
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[nitro2k01]

> Do we really need the ability to store short file names?
> Can we not just remove that feature entirely?

There was a setting to turn of SFN's in Windows 95, (Or maybe only NT4
on FAT) so it's not totally impossible.

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[Oliver Schneider]

> There was a setting to turn of SFN's in Windows 95, (Or maybe only NT4
> on FAT) so it's not totally impossible.

NT & Co.:

Under HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\FileSystem

REG_DWORDs:
NtfsDisable8dot3NameCreation
Win31FileSystem
Win95TruncatedExtensions

Cheers,

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[Magnus Olsen]

No.
program loking sometims for the short name of a file. and 
later for the long name. it depnes how the program is written. 
bot are need to be save.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Murphy, Ged (Bolton)" [e-mail]
To: "'ReactOS Development List'" [e-mail]
Sent: den 11 January 2006 13:48
Subject: RE: [ros-dev] Patent on FAT
> Ge van Geldorp wrote:
> > AFAIK, it is about storing both a long and a short filename 
> > for the same
> > file in the same directory.
> >
> > GvG
>
> Do we really need the ability to store short file names?
> Can we not just remove that feature entirely?
>
> Ged.
>
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[Magnus Olsen]

The patnet of vfat have been rejected 2004
http://www.pubpat.org/Protecting.htm#FAT%20PATENT

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Murphy, Ged (Bolton)" [e-mail]
To: "'ReactOS Development List'" [e-mail]
Sent: den 11 January 2006 13:48
Subject: RE: [ros-dev] Patent on FAT
> Ge van Geldorp wrote:
> > AFAIK, it is about storing both a long and a short filename 
> > for the same
> > file in the same directory.
> >
> > GvG
>
> Do we really need the ability to store short file names?
> Can we not just remove that feature entirely?
>
> Ged.
>
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[Christoph von Wittich]

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I disabled 8+3 filename creation in Windows some time ago - the whole
system was fusked up then - I had to reinstall it.

Christoph v. Wittich
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[D. Hazelton]

On Wednesday 11 January 2006 08:32, Christoph von Wittich wrote:
> I disabled 8+3 filename creation in Windows some time ago - the whole
> system was fusked up then - I had to reinstall it.
>
> Christoph v. Wittich

Said site is out of date. USPTO has released it's finding that the patent is 
valid. See previous post which has a link to the relevant news story.

DRH

[Casper Hornstrup]

I have disabled 8.3 filenames on svn.reactos.org. It gave me 10% speedup
when copying a ReactOS Subversion working copy.

Casper

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I disabled 8+3 filename creation in Windows some time ago - the whole
system was fusked up then - I had to reinstall it.

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[Christoph von Wittich]

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> I have disabled 8.3 filenames on svn.reactos.org. It gave me 10% speedup
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>
> Casper

Try to install Symantec AntiVirus now - it does not work anymore :)

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[Ge van Geldorp]

> From: Magnus Olsen
>
> The patnet of vfat have been rejected 2004 
> http://www.pubpat.org/Protecting.htm#FAT%20PATENT

That was a non-final ruling. See
http://news.com.com/Microsofts+file+system+patent+upheld/2100-1012_3-6025447
.html?part=rss&tag=6025447&subj=news for the latest news (patent upheld).

GvG

[James Tabor]

Magnus Olsen wrote:
> The patnet of vfat have been rejected 2004
> http://www.pubpat.org/Protecting.htm#FAT%20PATENT

Yeah,
I remember some thing about it. We are okay to use the VFAT.
James

[Steven Edwards]

Hi,

I think we should turn off the 8.3 short filename support by default
and see what breaks. Providing a option right at the start of 2nd
stage step "Patented features" using a checkbox to enable it should
get us around the issue. Its not our problem if someone else enables
it.

--
Steven Edwards - ReactOS and Wine developer

"There is one thing stronger than all the armies in the world, and
that is an idea whose time has come." - Victor Hugo

[James Tabor]

Steven Edwards wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I think we should turn off the 8.3 short filename support by default
> and see what breaks. Providing a option right at the start of 2nd
> stage step "Patented features" using a checkbox to enable it should
> get us around the issue. Its not our problem if someone else enables
> it.

Hi,
Until we receive correspondence from the patent holder, we do nothing.

But,, it is good, if we do receive something, we have a plan.
8^)
James

[Mark Tempel]

I believe that if you want the FAT partition to interoperate with Windows, you
need the short filename.  IIRC the LFN dirents all have a checksum pointing
associating them with the SFN dirent that actually has the initial cluster
value.

You would probably be better off removing LFN support instead.

If you don't want to interoperate with Windows none of that matters... ;-)

Keep up the good work guys.

--mark

Quoting James Tabor [e-mail]:
> Steven Edwards wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I think we should turn off the 8.3 short filename support by default
> > and see what breaks. Providing a option right at the start of 2nd
> > stage step "Patented features" using a checkbox to enable it should
> > get us around the issue. Its not our problem if someone else enables
> > it.
>
> Hi,
> Until we receive correspondence from the patent holder, we do nothing.
>
> But,, it is good, if we do receive something, we have a plan.
> 8^)
> James
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