Robert k. wrote:
Hi, let's put it this way: I have no problem in doing an intermediate release. NEither idealistic nor by work. For my unterstanding, releases are time driven, not feature driven. So you're currently not feeling good for having a release build? I asked for a release one month ago, but I have to admit, not inbetween, anymore. So if not more people are worrying, I think we should have a try ???
WaxDragon said:
I've been asking for a intermediate release for a month now, and frankly now is not a good time. HEAD is going to need a
while (again)
after all of these header changes. After we got rbuild stabilized would have been a good time, but several of the developers
are stuck
in this "No more 0.2.x releases" mentality.
We are not going to get to 0.3.0 anytime soon unless someone other than arty works on networking (or we change the requirements for 0.3.0).
WD
We need regular releases to keep public interest. New releases generate interest outside of the community, which can only be a good thing, even if they don't contain radical new features.
I agree with WD about networking. Arty is busy with the new job, and nobody else is working on networking. Considering networking is meant to be the key feature for the 0.3 release, then either people need to start working on networking or the 0.3 goalposts need to be changed.
I would be more than happy to help with networking in any way I can, however I'm not yet up to a standard to get my hands dirty with the core infrastructure. With a mentor, and a little guidance, maybe myself and a few others might be of more use in this area. (this is where I'm aiming)
Regards, Ged.
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From: Murphy, Ged (Bolton)
I agree with WD about networking. Arty is busy with the new job, and nobody else is working on networking. Considering networking is meant to be the key feature for the 0.3 release, then either people need to start working on networking or the 0.3 goalposts need to be changed.
I don't see why the 0.3 goalposts would need to be changed. As long as we're not comfortable saying "basic TCP/IP networking is implemented now" we just call the release 0.2.x instead of 0.3.
Gé van Geldorp.
Ge van Geldorp wrote:
From: Murphy, Ged (Bolton)
I agree with WD about networking. Arty is busy with the new job, and nobody else is working on networking. Considering networking is meant to be the key feature for the 0.3 release, then either people need to start working on networking or the 0.3 goalposts need to be changed.
I don't see why the 0.3 goalposts would need to be changed. As long as we're not comfortable saying "basic TCP/IP networking is implemented now" we just call the release 0.2.x instead of 0.3.
I must agree. Saying "We're gonna release 0.3 as soon as we have TCP/IP networking reasonably complete" is much better than saying "We're gonna release 0.3 1st July 2005" - That's a nonsense, a MS-ish way of doing things.
Somebody pointed out that more frequent releases keep public interest in reactos - yes, that's true, but IMHO people will be at least disappointed by the fact that there's a release, say, every 3 months, but there's little or no visible progress between them. Don't misunderstand me - I know you guys are working hard, but unless this work produces some visible progress, there's no point in releasing 0.3. And the progress that is visible for you isn't necessarily visible for BFUs.
Vit Herman
On 6/22/05, Murphy, Ged (Bolton) MurphyG@cmpbatteries.co.uk wrote:
We need regular releases to keep public interest. New releases generate interest outside of the community, which can only be a good thing, even if they don't contain radical new features.
I would be very careful about mixing concern for generating more interest in to a release policy that might give a false impression of the progress being made on the project.
It does give me a warm fuzzy feeling to see the version number go up on reactos.com -- on (almost) any f/oss project for that matter. But I if I discovered the progress being made was misrperesented, I might lose trust in the people working on the project. Trust is important, and if we can gain the trust of end users, that's something we'll have that microsoft never really earned. :)
On 6/22/05, Craig Talbert craig.talbert@gmail.com wrote:
I would be very careful about mixing concern for generating more interest in to a release policy that might give a false impression of the progress being made on the project.
It does give me a warm fuzzy feeling to see the version number go up on reactos.com -- on (almost) any f/oss project for that matter. But I if I discovered the progress being made was misrperesented, I might lose trust in the people working on the project. Trust is important, and if we can gain the trust of end users, that's something we'll have that microsoft never really earned. :)
Maybe you should start reading ros-svn. We are approching 2000 commits since 0.2.6. While I won't claim that all of those commits were "progress", there is progress being made. Don't even think that we are trying to misrepresent the "progress" of the project, almost every day we are in there hacking on stuff.
I don't see how trust comes into this situation. The fact this is an open source project gives me all the trust I need. What are you, a debian user? ;0)
WD
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