Ros-dev June 2005

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RE: [ros-dev] New Release - how're you feeling?
by Murphy, Ged (Bolton) 24 Jun '05

24 Jun '05

Craig Talbert wrote: > On 6/22/05, Murphy, Ged (Bolton) <MurphyG(a)cmpbatteries.co.uk> wrote: > > > We need regular releases to keep public interest. New releases > > generate interest outside of the community, which can only > be a good > > thing, even if they don't contain radical new features. > > I would be very careful about mixing concern for generating > more interest in to a release policy that might give a false > impression of the progress being made on the project. > > It does give me a warm fuzzy feeling to see the version > number go up on reactos.com -- on (almost) any f/oss project > for that matter. But I if I discovered the progress being > made was misrperesented, I might lose trust in the people > working on the project. Trust is important, and if we can > gain the trust of end users, that's something we'll have that > microsoft never really earned. :) This is a good point. However we're only talking about a minor release. Minor releases generally only consist of bug fixes and small improvements / functionality. 0.2.6 was a particularly bad release, and at the moment, (not counting the header rewrites currently taking place) HEAD is much more stable and usable. 0.3 is meant to be the big bang release where users are blown away, not minor releases. To take Alex's earlier comparison, the Linux kernel often jumps minor releases (2.6.*) with no obvious improvements. You generally have to read the changelog to see what has changed (and if it's worth you upgrading) Again, my point is; if we're not going to do anymore 0.2.* releases, then we could be in for a long wait before networking is at a stage which meets the 0.3 criteria. Ged. ************************************************************************ The information contained in this message or any of its attachments is confidential and is intended for the exclusive use of the addressee. The information may also be legally privileged. The views expressed may not be company policy, but the personal views of the originator. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or other dissemination or use of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please contact postmaster(a)exideuk.co.uk <mailto:postmaster@exideuk.co.uk> and then delete this message. Exide Technologies is an industrial and transportation battery producer and recycler with operations in 89 countries. Further information can be found at www.exide.com

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New Site Design
by Rick Langschultz 23 Jun '05

23 Jun '05

I was wondering if you all would be interested in doing something like a portal system. I know that a content management system is important, and that will be a feature also, but I think a portal system for users, developers, and administrators can become quite a useful feature. I think another factor in getting ReactOS into mainstream computer useage would be a single-sign-on service much like microsoft's passport service or apple's .mac service, which may or may not be sso based I am not really sure. There should also me an MSDN like library for programmers that are currently unaware of programming protocol. There should also me a software compatibility library. Just a few suggestions 1 - Utilize a portal system 2 - Supply users and developers with a application/driver compatibility library 3 - Supply users, and developers with an online application for programming help/collaboration. 4 - Utilize a content management system over the portal system to allow the portal be updateable. Those are a few of my suggestions. On another note I think ReactOS should not wait to do a "networking" release and should provide 0.2.7 or 0.2.6.1 etc. The networking support is an important feature but stability is a major factor in releasing software. If networking is unstable the version should be 0.2.6.1 for each major bugzilla fix. Even if that means 0.2.6.99999.

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cdron.sys freezes the system
by Jan Schiefer 23 Jun '05

23 Jun '05

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 cdrom.sys ( current SVN ) freezes the system when starting the installer and when booting the live cd. No bluescreen is displayed. Is there a way to aquire debug information in such a case ( from installer or when booting the live cd ). Greetings, Jan Schiefer! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFCt9rrzC00UKXFdVcRApo3AJwMJmYjf+Fiu23eeAQR7M707Q1KeACgk5TV yvUHCavl4WtzMEs4Mhrufeo= =SfSY -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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KMODE_EXCEPTION_NOT_HANDLED
by Rafal Kupiec 23 Jun '05

23 Jun '05

KMODE_EXCEPTION_NOT_HANDLED STOP: 0x0000001E (0xc0000005, 0x9d805fe5, 0x00000000, 0x9e9e0000) win32k.sys - Address 0x9d805fe5 base at 0x9d7fb000, DateStamp 0x0 Page fault Exception: 14(2) I had this Blue Screen of Dead when i tried to resize Task Manager window.

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Current build problem with ntoskrnl/io/disk.c
by Mike Lerwill 23 Jun '05

23 Jun '05

Hi, Following the most recent changes the build fails at present with the following ntoskrnl\io\disk.c:1614: error: conflicting types for 'IoReadPartitionTable' w32api/include/ddk/win2k.h:67: error: previous declaration of 'IoReadPartitionTable' was here ntoskrnl\io\disk.c:1614: error: conflicting types for 'IoReadPartitionTable' w32api/include/ddk/win2k.h:67: error: previous declaration of 'IoReadPartitionTable' was here ntoskrnl\io\disk.c:1641: error: conflicting types for 'IoWritePartitionTable' w32api/include/ddk/win2k.h:86: error: previous declaration of 'IoWritePartitionTable' was here ntoskrnl\io\disk.c:1641: error: conflicting types for 'IoWritePartitionTable' w32api/include/ddk/win2k.h:86: error: previous declaration of 'IoWritePartitionTable' was here regards Mike Lerwill

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RE: [ros-dev] New Release - how're you feeling?
by Murphy, Ged (Bolton) 23 Jun '05

23 Jun '05

Robert k. wrote: > > > Hi, > let's put it this way: I have no problem in doing an > intermediate release. NEither idealistic nor by work. For my > unterstanding, releases are time driven, not feature driven. > So you're currently not feeling good for having a release > build? I asked for a release one month ago, but I have to > admit, not inbetween, anymore. So if not more people are > worrying, I think we should have a try ??? > > > WaxDragon said: > > I've been asking for a intermediate release for a month now, and > > frankly now is not a good time. HEAD is going to need a > while (again) > > after all of these header changes. After we got rbuild stabilized > > would have been a good time, but several of the developers > are stuck > > in this "No more 0.2.x releases" mentality. > > > > We are not going to get to 0.3.0 anytime soon unless someone other > > than arty works on networking (or we change the requirements for > > 0.3.0). > > > > WD We need regular releases to keep public interest. New releases generate interest outside of the community, which can only be a good thing, even if they don't contain radical new features. I agree with WD about networking. Arty is busy with the new job, and nobody else is working on networking. Considering networking is meant to be the key feature for the 0.3 release, then either people need to start working on networking or the 0.3 goalposts need to be changed. I would be more than happy to help with networking in any way I can, however I'm not yet up to a standard to get my hands dirty with the core infrastructure. With a mentor, and a little guidance, maybe myself and a few others might be of more use in this area. (this is where I'm aiming) Regards, Ged. ************************************************************************ The information contained in this message or any of its attachments is confidential and is intended for the exclusive use of the addressee. The information may also be legally privileged. The views expressed may not be company policy, but the personal views of the originator. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or other dissemination or use of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please contact postmaster(a)exideuk.co.uk <mailto:postmaster@exideuk.co.uk> and then delete this message. Exide Technologies is an industrial and transportation battery producer and recycler with operations in 89 countries. Further information can be found at www.exide.com

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RE: [ros-dev] New Release - how're you feeling?
by Murphy, Ged (Bolton) 23 Jun '05

23 Jun '05

Casper Hornstrup wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: ros-dev-bounces(a)reactos.com > [mailto:ros-dev-bounces@reactos.com] > > On Behalf Of Murphy, Ged > > (Bolton) > > Sent: 23. juni 2005 13:08 > > To: 'ReactOS Development List' > > Subject: RE: [ros-dev] New Release - how're you feeling? > > > > > > AFAIK, the new design consists of a front page only so far. > > We need a whole new Content Management System to control the entire site. > > We have MediaWiki. > > Casper Yeah, but MediaWiki isn't really a core website. More an information gathering environment. I'm thinking along the lines of full, browsable website, with core sections like: About, Features, Screenshots, news, Licence, Download links, Documentation, Forums, View cvs, Wiki, FAQ/Howto, Bugzilla, Mailing lists, Status, Resources. Something along the lines of www.gentoo.org, or www.winehq.com Yes, we could write our own design from scratch, or we could use pre-built CMS like some of the below, which I listed last year sometime in the mailing list: <snip> WebGUI - http://www.plainblack.com/webgui Appears to be very popular and was recommended by quite a few people. Performance is very good as are the features it offers Quick overview available here http://www.cmsmatrix.org/matrix?wid=2&func=viewDetail&listingId=1001 Mambo - http://mamboserver.com/ Recommended by many people to me, and has glowing reports from all the sites I visited. Certainly my favourite. Quick overview available here http://www.cmsmatrix.org/matrix?wid=2&func=viewDetail&listingId=1074 Confluence - http://www.atlassian.com/software/confluence/ This was recommended to me by a friend. I am going only off his recommendation. I've looked at other websites that use it and it appears to be good, although I don't have any performance statistics. OpenCMS - http://www.opencms.org/opencms/en/ This was also recommended, but I wasn't overly impressed by it. OpenSourceCMS - http://www.opensourcecms.com/ Overviews and statistics of many CMS' can be found here - http://www.cmsmatrix.org/ </snip> Ged ************************************************************************ The information contained in this message or any of its attachments is confidential and is intended for the exclusive use of the addressee. The information may also be legally privileged. The views expressed may not be company policy, but the personal views of the originator. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or other dissemination or use of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please contact postmaster(a)exideuk.co.uk <mailto:postmaster@exideuk.co.uk> and then delete this message. Exide Technologies is an industrial and transportation battery producer and recycler with operations in 89 countries. Further information can be found at www.exide.com

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RE: [ros-svn] [navaraf] 15965: Don't include windows.h in drivers .
by Murphy, Ged (Bolton) 23 Jun '05

23 Jun '05

navaraf(a)svn.reactos.com wrote: > > Don't include windows.h in drivers. > > > Updated files: > trunk/reactos/drivers/dd/blue/blue.c > trunk/reactos/drivers/dd/mpu401/mpu401.h > trunk/reactos/drivers/dd/mpu401/portio.c > trunk/reactos/drivers/dd/mpu401/settings.c > trunk/reactos/drivers/lib/bzip2/bzlib.h Filip makes 3rd in CIA today, so far ... heh. ************************************************************************ The information contained in this message or any of its attachments is confidential and is intended for the exclusive use of the addressee. The information may also be legally privileged. The views expressed may not be company policy, but the personal views of the originator. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or other dissemination or use of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please contact postmaster(a)exideuk.co.uk <mailto:postmaster@exideuk.co.uk> and then delete this message. Exide Technologies is an industrial and transportation battery producer and recycler with operations in 89 countries. Further information can be found at www.exide.com

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RE: [ros-dev] New Release - how're you feeling?
by Murphy, Ged (Bolton) 23 Jun '05

23 Jun '05

Ge van Geldorp wrote: > > From: Murphy, Ged (Bolton) > > > > I agree with WD about networking. Arty is busy with the new > > job, and nobody else is working on networking. Considering > > networking is meant to be the key feature for the 0.3 > > release, then either people need to start working on > > networking or the 0.3 goalposts need to be changed. > > I don't see why the 0.3 goalposts would need to be changed. > As long as we're not comfortable saying "basic TCP/IP > networking is implemented now" we just call the release 0.2.x > instead of 0.3. > > Gé van Geldorp. > My understanding of the goal for 0.3 is; basic networking with support for common NIC's and Modems plus a GUI to configure it. If nobody is working on networking, then (possibly exaggerated) it could be a year before it is implemented. What I was getting at is, if this is the case, does more focus need to be put into networking, or would it be better to change the milestone for 0.3 (maybe stating networking as partly implemented, as it is now) If everyone is happy to continue incrementing 0.2.x then I don't really see a problem, but to quote WaxDragon "several of the developers are stuck in this "No more 0.2.x releases" mentality.", which could mean we're stuck at 0.2.6 for another 6-12 months. Ged. (p.s. apologies for the bloat attached to the bottom of my mails) ************************************************************************ The information contained in this message or any of its attachments is confidential and is intended for the exclusive use of the addressee. The information may also be legally privileged. The views expressed may not be company policy, but the personal views of the originator. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or other dissemination or use of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please contact postmaster(a)exideuk.co.uk <mailto:postmaster@exideuk.co.uk> and then delete this message. Exide Technologies is an industrial and transportation battery producer and recycler with operations in 89 countries. Further information can be found at www.exide.com

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RE: [ros-dev] New Release - how're you feeling?
by Murphy, Ged (Bolton) 23 Jun '05

23 Jun '05

Freeworld wrote: > Hi! > > I'm just waiting for the new design (mf?) to start changing > the homepage. Nothing else is holding us back. I've also > quite a lot of time, so I could start working on it. > > Greetings > Michael > (Website Coordinator) AFAIK, the new design consists of a front page only so far. We need a whole new Content Management System to control the entire site. I know this was talked about a while back, as I remember doing quite a bit of research and suggesting some very good, open source management systems we could easily adopt. (I can find my original email with the list if need be) What's the score on this now? Ged. ************************************************************************ The information contained in this message or any of its attachments is confidential and is intended for the exclusive use of the addressee. The information may also be legally privileged. The views expressed may not be company policy, but the personal views of the originator. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or other dissemination or use of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please contact postmaster(a)exideuk.co.uk <mailto:postmaster@exideuk.co.uk> and then delete this message. Exide Technologies is an industrial and transportation battery producer and recycler with operations in 89 countries. Further information can be found at www.exide.com

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Ros-dev June 2005