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Open-source and newcomers
by Alex 18 Jul '09

18 Jul '09

Hello all, Open-source and newcomers ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I've been here for 2 weeks already and I want to share some thoughts from the point of view of a newcomer. I want to make a claim as an axiom and see where it goes from there. If you don't agree with the axiom you should probably read something on ethology and group behavior. I beg you to be open-minded. -- So the axiom is: "A closed group of humans (and many other social animals) usually is emotionally and irrationally unfriendly to newcomers, due to the evolutionary baggage we all share." The group assumes a hostile position to a newcomer. Many members don't realize what is going on. It simply feels like: "I just hate this guy!" Members, of course, feel special and somewhat better, just because they are part of the group. They see newcomers as not-worthy to some extent, just because the newcomer is not in the group. They see the newcomer as an alien and – as a threat. Subconsciously. Don't bother to reply and tell me that I am not-worthy to be seen as a threat :) The general feeling is "Who the f#ck he thinks he is? He's not from our group, he is not one of us (he didn't do anything to our project yet). Blah-blah-blah... I just hate this guy!". This irrational hate is very tangible, believe me. It is very de-motivational. (And I probably shouldn't have reacted the way I did to some of it, but, hey, I am no Jesus Christ, and it's only now that I've sorted those things out for myself). But you can say: Hey, we are not hostile, because: - "I, personally, entered the group in the past and it was Ok." - "Look at that guy and that guy – we were soooo nice to them!" Let's see... When can a closed group readily accept a newcomer? When it doesn't perceive him as a threat. This means the newcomer must come in a very submissive pose and exhibit not a slightest sign of aggressive attitude. Actually, the more you cry for mercy, the more chances are that you will be easily accepted into the group. Broken leg or being a total looser may help, as compassion will start to overtake the initial hostility. The "pose" on the text-based Internet is mainly how one talks. This is an example of a submissive pose: "Oh, Great Lords, you are so cool and I am not worthy. I beg you to let me develop for ReactOS, I am not much, but I will dutifully learn from you, Wise Masters, I will catch every word you say and ignore any insults you will throw my way. I will not criticize you in any way. I will do all the shitty tasks silently and obediently for several years until I slowly climb your social ladder. I will not complain of being called stupid and not-worthy 'cause that's who I am..." And so it goes... An ass-kisser, to be short. And then the Wise Great Masters will generously allow this no-worthy worm into their Temple. This happens everywhere. Just take a closer look. -- But this constitutes a problem. The group acts as a filter that favors the wrong kind of people. Because a good developer, after all, is usually opinionated, criticizes what he thinks is wrong, doesn't like to be called stupid and be given insults and shitty tasks. He challenges existing routines and things the group got used to. He is a threat. -- Unfortunately, I do not have a solution. I just want to attract your attention to it. P.S. You may ask – didn't you think that this hostility is a consequence of you being a jerk? If being a jerk means not kissing asses of Great Masters – then yeah, I may be guilty of that. P.P.S. Before posting a reply, please take a look inside you and try to see if that reply is based on "I just hate this guy!" :) Thanks! -- Best regards, Alex mailto:care2debug@gmail.com

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Very nice.
by Alex 17 Jul '09

17 Jul '09

Hello ReactOS, I am not sure if this is an appropriate place to write, but someone with the name Physicus has banned me from the #reactos channel, because he doesn't know physics and is ignorant enough. Ok, you want to stay ignorant - it's your life choice. But what right does he have to ban me from _reactos_ channel? So now I can't develop for ROS, just because one guy is closed-minded about his view of physics?!! Is it how you treat people around here? No wonder you have such a small number of developers... Human stupidity and arrogance has certainly no limits... -- Best regards, Alex mailto:care2debug@gmail.com

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Re: [ros-dev] [ros-diffs] [jimtabor] 41994: - Fix fixed math, thanks Lentin.
by Timo Kreuzer 16 Jul '09

16 Jul '09

jimtabor(a)svn.reactos.org wrote: > Author: jimtabor > Date: Thu Jul 16 21:34:42 2009 > New Revision: 41994 > > URL: http://svn.reactos.org/svn/reactos?rev=41994&view=rev > Log: > - Fix fixed math, thanks Lentin. > > Modified: > trunk/reactos/subsystems/win32/win32k/ntuser/class.c > > Modified: trunk/reactos/subsystems/win32/win32k/ntuser/class.c > URL: http://svn.reactos.org/svn/reactos/trunk/reactos/subsystems/win32/win32k/nt… > ============================================================================== > --- trunk/reactos/subsystems/win32/win32k/ntuser/class.c [iso-8859-1] (original) > +++ trunk/reactos/subsystems/win32/win32k/ntuser/class.c [iso-8859-1] Thu Jul 16 21:34:42 2009 > @@ -61,7 +61,7 @@ > { > int i; > > - for ( i = 0; i < 10; i++) > + for ( i = 0; i < 11; i++) > { > if (FnidToiCls[i].FnId == FnId) > { > Isn't there a constant for this?

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Re: [ros-dev] Very nice.
by WaxDragon 16 Jul '09

16 Jul '09

#reactos is not ##physics, so you weren't on topic. If this email is an example of your behaviour, I probably would have banned you too. -WD On Jul 15, 2009 7:30 PM, "Alex" <care2debug(a)gmail.com> wrote: Hello ReactOS, I am not sure if this is an appropriate place to write, but someone with the name Physicus has banned me from the #reactos channel, because he doesn't know physics and is ignorant enough. Ok, you want to stay ignorant - it's your life choice. But what right does he have to ban me from _reactos_ channel? So now I can't develop for ROS, just because one guy is closed-minded about his view of physics?!! Is it how you treat people around here? No wonder you have such a small number of developers... Human stupidity and arrogance has certainly no limits... -- Best regards, Alex mailto:care2debug@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Ros-dev mailing list Ros-dev(a)reactos.org http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev

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Re: [ros-dev] [ros-diffs] [janderwald] 41970: - Interrupt is only shareable if the type is latched
by Dmitry Gorbachev 15 Jul '09

15 Jul '09

> (Descriptor->Flags & CM_RESOURCE_INTERRUPT_LATCHED) Is this right? ReactOS' KeConnectInterrupt() does not support interrupts edge-triggered and shared.

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SVN to be down
by Aleksey Bragin 13 Jul '09

13 Jul '09

Hello, SVN server is going to be down for some time within the next 24hrs due to transfer to another datacenter. Minor problems after the transfer are expected and will be fixed appropriately. Thanks for your patience. WBR, Aleksey Bragin.

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Re: [ros-dev] [ros-diffs] [ros-arm-bringup] 41863: stop building ntdll as a win32dll so we can fucking stop auto-importing mingw_common and kernel32 into it... it's supposed to be built as a /SUBSYSTEM:WINDOWS dll but since rbuild has now decided to fuck around with these DLLs, it's safer to build it as native so it can be left the fuck alone and not auto-import half the tree
by KJK::Hyperion 12 Jul '09

12 Jul '09

ros-arm-bringup(a)svn.reactos.org wrote: > stop building ntdll as a win32dll so we can fucking stop auto-importing mingw_common and kernel32 into it... if you need any rbuild features or fixes, just ask me > it's supposed to be built as a /SUBSYSTEM:WINDOWS dll not even that, it's a DLL built with a subsystem of CONSOLE! (no idea why, what the hell, Microsoft?) which rbuild can't currently express in any way but <linkerflag>. Do you need a "subsystem" attribute for modules, maybe? Knock the table once for "no", twice for "yes"

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Regression in ros-arm-bringup team commit 41861
by Olaf Siejka 11 Jul '09

11 Jul '09

Commit: use %zd for SIZE_T, not just %d File affected: trunk/reactos/tools/rbuild/backend/mingw/mingw.cpp Replication: clean build, then try to make. Rbuild throws an unhandled exception: Faulting application rbuild.exe, version 0.0.0.0, time stamp 0x4a58b510, faulting module msvcrt.dll, version 7.0.6002.18005, time stamp 0x49e0379e, exception code 0xc0000005, fault offset 0x0000e461, process id 0x164c, application start time 0x01ca023f7e2b558b. when creating makefile.auto: BASEADDRESS_WININET := 0x70200000 BASEADDRESS_WINMM := 0x697d0000 BASEADDRESS_WINSCARD := 0x723d0000 BASEADDRESS_WINSPOO Please fix or revert the blamed revision, as it breaks buildint on Windows.

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Installation is broken after r41859
by Dmitry Chapyshev 11 Jul '09

11 Jul '09

After r41859 installation in vmware (6.5) does not work. Log: (ntoskrnl\kd\kdio.c:220) ----------------------------------------------------- (ntoskrnl\kd\kdio.c:221) ReactOS 0.4-SVN (Build 20090711-r41859) (ntoskrnl\kd\kdio.c:222) Command Line: NOGUIBOOT DEBUGPORT=COM1 NOGUIBOOT DEBUGPORT=COM1 (ntoskrnl\kd\kdio.c:223) ARC Paths: multi(0)disk(0)cdrom(159) \ multi(0)disk(0)cdrom(159) \reactos\ Used memory 523828Kb (ntoskrnl\mm\mminit.c:183) Start End Type (ntoskrnl\mm\mminit.c:184) 0x80000000 - 0x80E00000 Boot Image Mapping Region (ntoskrnl\mm\mminit.c:187) 0x80E00000 - 0x81100000 PFN Database region (ntoskrnl\mm\mminit.c:190) 0x81100000 - 0x87500000 Non paged pool region (ntoskrnl\mm\mminit.c:193) 0x87500000 - 0x8D900000 Paged pool region (ARM³::INIT:504) 0xB0000000 - 0xB0300000 Shadow PFN Database (ARM³::INIT:509) 0xB0300000 - 0xB1318000 ARM Non Paged Pool (ARM³::INIT:583) 0xF3400000 - 0xF8BF8000 System PTE Space (ARM³::INIT:586) 0xF8BF8000 - 0xFFBE0000 Non Paged Pool Expansion PTE Space (ARM³::POOL:265) Out of NP Pool (ARM³::POOL:393) Start of of initial frame (ARM³::POOL:332) End of initial frame [7hEntered debugger on last-chance exception (Exception Code: 0xc0000005) (Page Fault) Memory at 0x00000000 could not be written: Page not present. kdb:> bt Eip: <b0309000> Frames: <00000000> kdb:> -- WBR, Dmitry Chapyshev

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why wasnt ReactOS invited to GSoC? here is the answer....
by Javier Agustìn Fernàndez Arroyo 10 Jul '09

10 Jul '09

Seems that Google plans to release a "Chrome platform" to desktop pc´s http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2009/07/08/navegante/1247044337.html curse them

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