30 Nov
2013
30 Nov
'13
12:32 a.m.
They might hate everything except GNU GPL, but they do acknowledge when
other license meets their criteria (read, the four freedoms) for free
software. To prove I'm not making this up, you can check their own site and
see for yourself how while they discourage it's use because it is not
copyleft, acknowledge BSD licenses are free. Also, they have lawyers who
can interpret the licenses in legal terms, regardless of liking it.
2013/11/29 Александр <art1st-tm(a)yandex.ru>
FSF hates everithing exept GNU GPL
29.11.2013, 23:36, "Pierre Schweitzer" <pierre(a)reactos.org>rg>:
The April couldn't give a precise answer. I've moved to the FSF and
opened a ticket there.
I will keep you informed.
On 29/11/2013 20:31, Aleksey Bragin wrote:
To give you my position:
1. Current FAT driver in ReactOS needs to die away. I am testing all
my new code with the MS's FASTFAT driver.
2. Lawyers advice is needed whether we can distribute it.
Regards,
Aleksey Bragin
On 29.11.2013 21:55, Hermès BÉLUSCA - MAÏTO wrote:
Nice idea Pierre!
About this license we're talking about: yes I understand as
Aleksander: that
you can only use fastfat or derived works from it, on an (authentic)
Windows
OS (just my 2 cents, I'm not a lawyer too).
Hermès.
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Hi all,
Let's the experts do.
I've contacted the April (French association which mission is to
promote and
defend FOSS). They can answer about licensing issues (they propose it
through their contact form).
I'll keep you informed with their answers, highlights, and so on.
Regards,
On 11/29/2013 06:05 PM, Alexander Andrejevic wrote:
I suppose it depends on how you interpret it.
To me, "...extend only to the software or derivative works that you
create that run on a Microsoft Windows operating system product"
sounds like the program must run on Windows exclusively. It's not "...
that you create to run ...", but "... that you create that run ...".
Regards,
Alexander
On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 05:55:08PM +0100, David Quintana (gigaherz)
wrote:
I do not agree on the "unless it's on Microsoft Windows" part. The
license grants apply if it is "created to run directly" on windows,
which I understand as "it can run anywhere else, also, just as long
as it runs in windows without an intermediary".
On 29 November 2013 17:51, Alexander Andrejevic
<theflash(a)sdf.lonestar.org> wrote:
Fastfat is located inside its own binary, so this is considered
"mere aggregation", and that is not the problem. (See
https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#MereAggregation).
The problem is that you don't even have a license to use it or
distribute it, unless it's on Microsoft Windows.
Then again, I'm not a lawyer either and I could be wrong too. It
would be great if someone who knows a lot about licenses explained
this.
Regards,
Alexander
On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 05:35:21PM +0100, David Quintana (gigaherz)
wrote:
The exact words of the license, as seen at
http://www.ohloh.net/licenses/mslpl (I couldn't find a better link
for it), are:
"4. (F) Platform Limitation- The licenses granted in sections 2(A)
&
2(B) extend only to the software or derivative works that you
create that run on a Microsoft Windows operating system product."
Excluding that term, the rest of the license is mostly a
differently-worded BSD license. If it only needs to be tested in
windows to ensure that it works there, then there should be
absolutely no problem including it in ReactOS, as long as the terms
don't conflict with the other licenses' terms. And GPL with the
ReactOS exception, as far as I can tell, allows it. I'm not a
lawyer, though, so I could be wrong.
On 29 November 2013 16:17, Alexander Andrejevic
<theflash(a)sdf.lonestar.org> wrote:
Hi Ged,
Are you sure that we can use software released under the MS-LPL?
It has a rather weird limitation in section 4, which says that
you can
only use it on a "Microsoft Windows operating system product".
Since ReactOS is not Windows, that would mean we can't use it.
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Regards,
Alexander
On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 02:58:51PM -0000, Ged Murphy wrote:
Hi Eric,
I know this has been discussed before, but should we not just bite
the bullet and replace this driver with the Microsoft driver.
The MS_LPL license allows it to be used in reactos, and it would
certainly get rid of any unknowns and give us a reliable filesystem
to work
from.
http://code.msdn.microsoft.com/windowshardware/fastfat-File-Syste
m-Driver-135bdf34/view/SourceCode
Ged.
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