Google Summer of Code

[Aleksey Bragin]

Hi,
I'd like to let you know our application has not been accepted into  
Google Summer of Code, for the third time in a row. I attached an  
(autogenerated) reply, which encourages us to reapply for future  
instances of the program. I would not find a better way to express  
sarcasm than asking us to reapply in future.

Amongst accepted organizations there are:
WinLibre - a distribution of opensource software for Windows platform.
Battle for Wesnoth - a free turn based strategy game.
Umit - a frontend for a network scanner (one of their GSoC ideas is  
to create a "Umit Assistant" which would look like a Clippit - the  
animated assistant that features Microsoft Office).
TurboGears - a web framework written in Python.
Thousand Parsec - a bunch of games based on a common framework for  
building turn based space empire building games.
Systers: Woman in computing - a community of women in computing. For  
some strange reason the founding person is "Robin".
Singularity Institute for Artificial Intelligence - non-profit org  
founded to develop safe artificial intelligence software and to raise  
awareness of dangers of AI technologies.

I just stated a few examples. I highly value those projects, however  
I just can't understand that yet another framework in python, or a  
game engine for a turnbased strategies, or a collection of FOSS  
software for Windows with a package manager (which we already have,  
and which could have been improved), or an institution which believes  
that AI takes over the world and tries to stop that are way more  
important than supporting an organization whose product would be of  
use for millions of people, and would create a real alternative  
operating system compatible with the vast majority of existing  
software and hardware.

Our friendly OS project Haiku gets accepted every year, so being an  
OS is not a problem.
Wine is certainly accepted every year from the beginning, and this  
year is not an exception. So it's definately not a problem of "legal  
fear" of Microsoft.

What is the problem then? I leave it to you to decide what's the  
problem. However, as for me, I see Google Summer of Code is nothing  
close to supporting free software world, but rather an expensive way  
of advertising.

I want to hope I am wrong.


With the best regards,
Aleksey Bragin
ReactOS Foundation President.


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Date: Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 12:48 AM
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Hi Aleksey Bragin,

Thank you for submitting "ReactOS" organization application to Google  
Summer of Code 2009. Unfortunately, we were unable to accept your  
organization's application at this time. We received many more  
applications for the program than we are able to accommodate, and we  
would encourage you to reapply for future instances of the program.

Best regards,
Google Open Source Programs

[François Revol]

Hi,

>   I'd like to let you know our application has not
> been accepted into  
>  Google Summer of Code, for the third time in a row. I attached an  
>  (autogenerated) reply, which encourages us to reapply for future  
>  instances of the program. I would not find a better way to express  
>  sarcasm than asking us to reapply in future. 
It's indeed sad to know ReactOS didn't make it.

>   Our friendly OS project Haiku gets accepted every
> year, so being an  
>  OS is not a problem.
>  Wine is certainly accepted every year from the beginning, and this  
>  year is not an exception. So it's definately not a problem of "legal  
>  fear" of Microsoft. 
In the same spirit of sharing from the FOSDEM invitation, I'm sure we 
could find some projects on Haiku that would benefit ReactOS as well.
Some time ago I talked about the webcam driver I wrote, which could 
likely be made portable. Another developer already started adding UVC 
support to it, so it'd likely be interesting to ROS as well.

I'd suggest looking for projects you'd be interested in on
http://dev.haiku-os.org/wiki/GoogleSummerOfCodeIdeas
The students pick the ones they want but likely we could put them first 
on our wish list.

An other topic of interest could be the network drivers we ported from 
FreeBSD, likely you could take inspiration from our compatibility 
layer.


Also, something that seemed to appeal to Google last year was our 
attempt at extending the allocated GSoC slots by running our own funded 
HCD (Haiku Code Drive), to sponsor some more projects.
see:
http://www.haiku-os.org/tags/hcd2008_0

Surely running your own event would entice Google to value your own 
investment and reconsider for next year.

>   What is the problem then? I leave it to you to decide
> what's the  
>  problem. However, as for me, I see Google Summer of Code is nothing  
>  close to supporting free software world, but rather an expensive way  
>  of advertising. 
Undoubtedly it gives them a lot of advertising, but I do hope there is 
more to it :)

François.

[Aleksey Bragin]

On Mar 21, 2009, at 11:04 PM, François Revol wrote:

>   Hi,
>
> >   I'd like to let you know our application has
> > not been accepted into
> >  Google Summer of Code, for the third time in a row. I attached an
> >  (autogenerated) reply, which encourages us to reapply for future
> >  instances of the program. I would not find a better way to express
> >  sarcasm than asking us to reapply in future. 
>  It's indeed sad to know ReactOS didn't make it. 
It was expected though :)

> >   Our friendly
> > OS project Haiku gets accepted every year, so being an
> >  OS is not a problem.
> >  Wine is certainly accepted every year from the beginning, and this
> >  year is not an exception. So it's definately not a problem of "legal
> >  fear" of Microsoft. 
>  In the same spirit of sharing from the FOSDEM invitation, I'm sure we
>  could find some projects on Haiku that would benefit ReactOS as well.
>  Some time ago I talked about the webcam driver I wrote, which could
>  likely be made portable. Another developer already started adding UVC
>  support to it, so it'd likely be interesting to ROS as well. 
Thanks a lot, but
this could limit your own participation, since  
number of slots is usually very limited. It's really nice to offer  
this from your side.

>   I'd suggest looking for projects you'd be
> interested in on
>  http://dev.haiku-os.org/wiki/GoogleSummerOfCodeIdeas
>  The students pick the ones they want but likely we could put them  
>  first
>  on our wish list.
>
>  An other topic of interest could be the network drivers we ported from
>  FreeBSD, likely you could take inspiration from our compatibility
>  layer. 
Yes, we surely could find something which benefits both of us.

>   Also, something that seemed to appeal to Google last
> year was our
>  attempt at extending the allocated GSoC slots by running our own  
>  funded
>  HCD (Haiku Code Drive), to sponsor some more projects.
>  see:
>  http://www.haiku-os.org/tags/hcd2008_0 
We are preparing a similar thing called Community Funded Ideas. It's  
not ready for big announcement yet, but we are working towards it.

>   Surely running your own event would entice Google to
> value your own
>  investment and reconsider for next year. 
Honestly, they exhausted my level of patience. So, I rather see CFI  
as a better substitute for GSoC, also it lets community to take part  
in decision process.

> >   What is the
> > problem then? I leave it to you to decide what's the
> >  problem. However, as for me, I see Google Summer of Code is nothing
> >  close to supporting free software world, but rather an expensive way
> >  of advertising. 
>  Undoubtedly it gives them a lot of advertising, but I do hope there is
>  more to it :) 
I was slightly exaggerating certainly :)

>   François.

[Richard Campbell]

Hi Guys,

The best bet is to reach out to someone at Google and find out why as
well as what can be done about it.

Thanks,
Rich

On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 5:07 PM, Aleksey Bragin <aleksey(a)reactos.org> wrote:
>  
>  On Mar 21, 2009, at 11:04 PM, François Revol wrote:
>
> >   Hi,
> >
> > >   I'd like to let you know our application has
> > > not been accepted into
> > >  Google Summer of Code, for the third time in a row. I attached an
> > >  (autogenerated) reply, which encourages us to reapply for future
> > >  instances of the program. I would not find a better way to express
> > >  sarcasm than asking us to reapply in future. 
> >  It's indeed sad to know ReactOS didn't make it. 
>  It was expected though :)
>
> > >   Our
> > > friendly OS project Haiku gets accepted every year, so being an
> > >  OS is not a problem.
> > >  Wine is certainly accepted every year from the beginning, and this
> > >  year is not an exception. So it's definately not a problem of "legal
> > >  fear" of Microsoft. 
> >  In the same spirit of sharing from the FOSDEM invitation, I'm sure we
> >  could find some projects on Haiku that would benefit ReactOS as well.
> >  Some time ago I talked about the webcam driver I wrote, which could
> >  likely be made portable. Another developer already started adding UVC
> >  support to it, so it'd likely be interesting to ROS as well. 
>  Thanks a lot, but
> this could limit your own participation, since
>  number of slots is usually very limited. It's really nice to offer
>  this from your side.
>
> >   I'd suggest looking for projects you'd be
> > interested in on
> >  http://dev.haiku-os.org/wiki/GoogleSummerOfCodeIdeas
> >  The students pick the ones they want but likely we could put them
> >  first
> >  on our wish list.
> >
> >  An other topic of interest could be the network drivers we ported from
> >  FreeBSD, likely you could take inspiration from our compatibility
> >  layer. 
>  Yes, we surely could find something which benefits both of us.
>
> >   Also, something that seemed to appeal to Google
> > last year was our
> >  attempt at extending the allocated GSoC slots by running our own
> >  funded
> >  HCD (Haiku Code Drive), to sponsor some more projects.
> >  see:
> >  http://www.haiku-os.org/tags/hcd2008_0 
>  We are preparing a similar thing called Community Funded Ideas. It's
>  not ready for big announcement yet, but we are working towards it.
>
> >   Surely running your own event would entice Google
> > to value your own
> >  investment and reconsider for next year. 
>  Honestly, they exhausted my level of patience. So, I rather see CFI
>  as a better substitute for GSoC, also it lets community to take part
>  in decision process.
>
> > >   What is
> > > the problem then? I leave it to you to decide what's the
> > >  problem. However, as for me, I see Google Summer of Code is nothing
> > >  close to supporting free software world, but rather an expensive way
> > >  of advertising. 
> >  Undoubtedly it gives them a lot of advertising, but I do hope there is
> >  more to it :) 
>  I was slightly exaggerating certainly :)
>
> >   François. 
>
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>  Ros-dev(a)reactos.org
>  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
>

[François Revol]

> > >   Our friendly OS project Haiku gets accepted every
> > > year, so being 
> > >  an
> > >  OS is not a problem.
> > >  Wine is certainly accepted every year from the beginning, and this
> > >  year is not an exception. So it's definately not a problem of 
> > >  "legal
> > >  fear" of Microsoft. 
> >  In the same spirit of sharing from the FOSDEM invitation, I'm sure 
> >  we
> >  could find some projects on Haiku that would benefit ReactOS as 
> >  well.
> >  Some time ago I talked about the webcam driver I wrote, which could
> >  likely be made portable. Another developer already started adding 
> >  UVC
> >  support to it, so it'd likely be interesting to ROS as well. 
>  Thanks a lot, but
> this could limit your own participation, since  
>  number of slots is usually very limited. It's really nice to offer  
>  this from your side. 
It seems it might be possible to actually have someone from ReactOS to 
mentor such a project.
This would free our own mentors to supervise other projects, so from 
this point of view it could allow having more.
Also, we would both benefit in having more models supported on this 
driver.

> >   Also,
> > something that seemed to appeal to Google last year was our
> >  attempt at extending the allocated GSoC slots by running our own  
> >  funded
> >  HCD (Haiku Code Drive), to sponsor some more projects.
> >  see:
> >  http://www.haiku-os.org/tags/hcd2008_0 
>  
>  We are preparing a similar thing called Community Funded Ideas. It's  
>  not ready for big announcement yet, but we are working towards it. 
Good to hear.

François.

[Matthew Therault]

I know this is a little old, but the thought just occurred to me.....  I
seriously doubt that reactos will ever be accepted into this.  The reason
for this is pretty simple. Google right now is considered the one company
that can "take on" Microsoft. Now this might not hold a lot of weight or it
might, but I just don't think that Google wants to be associated with an
alternative to a Microsoft OS, that would be able to compete directly with
windows. I just don't think that google wants to stir up the headlines, even
if it weren't the situation that it actually is.

On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 5:07 PM, Aleksey Bragin <aleksey(a)reactos.org> wrote:

>  
>  On Mar 21, 2009, at 11:04 PM, François Revol wrote:
>
> >   Hi,
> >
> > >   I'd like to let you know our application has
> > > not been accepted into
> > >  Google Summer of Code, for the third time in a row. I attached an
> > >  (autogenerated) reply, which encourages us to reapply for future
> > >  instances of the program. I would not find a better way to express
> > >  sarcasm than asking us to reapply in future. 
> >  It's indeed sad to know ReactOS didn't make it. 
>  It was expected though :)
>
> > >   Our
> > > friendly OS project Haiku gets accepted every year, so being an
> > >  OS is not a problem.
> > >  Wine is certainly accepted every year from the beginning, and this
> > >  year is not an exception. So it's definately not a problem of "legal
> > >  fear" of Microsoft. 
> >  In the same spirit of sharing from the FOSDEM invitation, I'm sure we
> >  could find some projects on Haiku that would benefit ReactOS as well.
> >  Some time ago I talked about the webcam driver I wrote, which could
> >  likely be made portable. Another developer already started adding UVC
> >  support to it, so it'd likely be interesting to ROS as well. 
>  Thanks a lot, but
> this could limit your own participation, since
>  number of slots is usually very limited. It's really nice to offer
>  this from your side.
>
> >   I'd suggest looking for projects you'd be
> > interested in on
> >  http://dev.haiku-os.org/wiki/GoogleSummerOfCodeIdeas
> >  The students pick the ones they want but likely we could put them
> >  first
> >  on our wish list.
> >
> >  An other topic of interest could be the network drivers we ported from
> >  FreeBSD, likely you could take inspiration from our compatibility
> >  layer. 
>  Yes, we surely could find something which benefits both of us.
>
> >   Also, something that seemed to appeal to Google
> > last year was our
> >  attempt at extending the allocated GSoC slots by running our own
> >  funded
> >  HCD (Haiku Code Drive), to sponsor some more projects.
> >  see:
> >  http://www.haiku-os.org/tags/hcd2008_0 
>  We are preparing a similar thing called Community Funded Ideas. It's
>  not ready for big announcement yet, but we are working towards it.
>
> >   Surely running your own event would entice Google
> > to value your own
> >  investment and reconsider for next year. 
>  Honestly, they exhausted my level of patience. So, I rather see CFI
>  as a better substitute for GSoC, also it lets community to take part
>  in decision process.
>
> > >   What is
> > > the problem then? I leave it to you to decide what's the
> > >  problem. However, as for me, I see Google Summer of Code is nothing
> > >  close to supporting free software world, but rather an expensive way
> > >  of advertising. 
> >  Undoubtedly it gives them a lot of advertising, but I do hope there is
> >  more to it :) 
>  I was slightly exaggerating certainly :)
>
> >   François. 
>
>  _______________________________________________
>  Ros-dev mailing list
>  Ros-dev(a)reactos.org
>  http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
>  


-- 
Two men walk into a bar....... Third one ducks....

Think about it, it will come to you.  :P

[Sarocet]

Aleksey Bragin wrote:
>   I'd like to let you know our application has not
> been accepted into
>  Google Summer of Code, for the third time in a row 
A pity. ROS would have been a
good candidate to fulfill Ubuntu slot.

>   I just stated a few examples. I highly value those
> projects, however I
>  just can't understand that yet another framework in python, or a game
>  engine for a turnbased strategies, or a collection of FOSS software
>  for Windows with a package manager (which we already have, and which
>  could have been improved), or an institution which believes that AI
>  takes over the world and tries to stop that are way more important
>  than supporting an organization whose product would be of use for
>  millions of people, and would create a real alternative operating
>  system compatible with the vast majority of existing software and
>  hardware. 
Have you tried asking all of this to gsoc people? (that would probably
be Leslie Hawthorn)

[Matthieu Suiche]

>   Have you tried asking all of this to gsoc people?
> (that would probably
>  be Leslie Hawthorn) 
Indeed, I guess she is the right person. She is Program Manager
for
Google's Open Source Team and manage the Google Summer of Code.

--
Matthieu Suiche

[Aleksey Bragin]

I just expressed my opinion about GSoC in general. I spoke with  
Leslie a number of times, she's a very kind person, but she is not  
able to solve this our problem unfortunately. And thus, I stated my  
opinion. It's not aimed towards any particular person, but rather  
criticizes the direction of GSoC, which I suppose to be wrong.

WBR,
Aleksey Bragin.

On Mar 23, 2009, at 10:28 AM, Matthieu Suiche wrote:

> >   Have you tried
> > asking all of this to gsoc people? (that would  
> >  probably
> >  be Leslie Hawthorn) 
>  Indeed, I guess she is the right person. She is Program
> Manager for
>  Google's Open Source Team and manage the Google Summer of Code.
>
>  --
>  Matthieu Suiche

[Steven Edwards]

On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 11:44 AM, Aleksey Bragin <aleksey(a)reactos.org> wrote:
>   I just expressed my opinion about GSoC in general. I
> spoke with
>  Leslie a number of times, she's a very kind person, but she is not
>  able to solve this our problem unfortunately. And thus, I stated my
>  opinion. It's not aimed towards any particular person, but rather
>  criticizes the direction of GSoC, which I suppose to be wrong. 
Did she give a concrete reason for ReactOS's rejection yet again? It
would be nice to have a on the record statement.

-- 
Steven Edwards

"There is one thing stronger than all the armies in the world, and
that is an idea whose time has come." - Victor Hugo

[Aleksey Bragin]

I posted an official autoreply. There is nothing more than that said  
officially.

On Mar 23, 2009, at 7:50 PM, Steven Edwards wrote:

>   On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 11:44 AM, Aleksey Bragin  
>  <aleksey(a)reactos.org> wrote:
> >   I just expressed my opinion about GSoC in
> > general. I spoke with
> >  Leslie a number of times, she's a very kind person, but she is not
> >  able to solve this our problem unfortunately. And thus, I stated my
> >  opinion. It's not aimed towards any particular person, but rather
> >  criticizes the direction of GSoC, which I suppose to be wrong. 
>  Did she give a concrete reason for ReactOS's rejection yet again? It
>  would be nice to have a on the record statement.
>
>  -- 
>  Steven Edwards
>
>  "There is one thing stronger than all the armies in the world, and
>  that is an idea whose time has come." - Victor Hugo