Hi, I'd like to let you know our application has not been accepted into Google Summer of Code, for the third time in a row. I attached an (autogenerated) reply, which encourages us to reapply for future instances of the program. I would not find a better way to express sarcasm than asking us to reapply in future.
Amongst accepted organizations there are: WinLibre - a distribution of opensource software for Windows platform. Battle for Wesnoth - a free turn based strategy game. Umit - a frontend for a network scanner (one of their GSoC ideas is to create a "Umit Assistant" which would look like a Clippit - the animated assistant that features Microsoft Office). TurboGears - a web framework written in Python. Thousand Parsec - a bunch of games based on a common framework for building turn based space empire building games. Systers: Woman in computing - a community of women in computing. For some strange reason the founding person is "Robin". Singularity Institute for Artificial Intelligence - non-profit org founded to develop safe artificial intelligence software and to raise awareness of dangers of AI technologies.
I just stated a few examples. I highly value those projects, however I just can't understand that yet another framework in python, or a game engine for a turnbased strategies, or a collection of FOSS software for Windows with a package manager (which we already have, and which could have been improved), or an institution which believes that AI takes over the world and tries to stop that are way more important than supporting an organization whose product would be of use for millions of people, and would create a real alternative operating system compatible with the vast majority of existing software and hardware.
Our friendly OS project Haiku gets accepted every year, so being an OS is not a problem. Wine is certainly accepted every year from the beginning, and this year is not an exception. So it's definately not a problem of "legal fear" of Microsoft.
What is the problem then? I leave it to you to decide what's the problem. However, as for me, I see Google Summer of Code is nothing close to supporting free software world, but rather an expensive way of advertising.
I want to hope I am wrong.
With the best regards, Aleksey Bragin ReactOS Foundation President.
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: socghop.noreply@gmail.com Date: Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 12:48 AM Subject: Thank you for your application To: xxx@reactos.org
Hi Aleksey Bragin,
Thank you for submitting "ReactOS" organization application to Google Summer of Code 2009. Unfortunately, we were unable to accept your organization's application at this time. We received many more applications for the program than we are able to accommodate, and we would encourage you to reapply for future instances of the program.
Best regards, Google Open Source Programs
Hi,
I'd like to let you know our application has not been accepted into Google Summer of Code, for the third time in a row. I attached an (autogenerated) reply, which encourages us to reapply for future instances of the program. I would not find a better way to express sarcasm than asking us to reapply in future.
It's indeed sad to know ReactOS didn't make it.
Our friendly OS project Haiku gets accepted every year, so being an OS is not a problem. Wine is certainly accepted every year from the beginning, and this year is not an exception. So it's definately not a problem of "legal fear" of Microsoft.
In the same spirit of sharing from the FOSDEM invitation, I'm sure we could find some projects on Haiku that would benefit ReactOS as well. Some time ago I talked about the webcam driver I wrote, which could likely be made portable. Another developer already started adding UVC support to it, so it'd likely be interesting to ROS as well.
I'd suggest looking for projects you'd be interested in on http://dev.haiku-os.org/wiki/GoogleSummerOfCodeIdeas The students pick the ones they want but likely we could put them first on our wish list.
An other topic of interest could be the network drivers we ported from FreeBSD, likely you could take inspiration from our compatibility layer.
Also, something that seemed to appeal to Google last year was our attempt at extending the allocated GSoC slots by running our own funded HCD (Haiku Code Drive), to sponsor some more projects. see: http://www.haiku-os.org/tags/hcd2008_0
Surely running your own event would entice Google to value your own investment and reconsider for next year.
What is the problem then? I leave it to you to decide what's the problem. However, as for me, I see Google Summer of Code is nothing close to supporting free software world, but rather an expensive way of advertising.
Undoubtedly it gives them a lot of advertising, but I do hope there is more to it :)
François.
On Mar 21, 2009, at 11:04 PM, François Revol wrote:
Hi,
I'd like to let you know our application has not been accepted into Google Summer of Code, for the third time in a row. I attached an (autogenerated) reply, which encourages us to reapply for future instances of the program. I would not find a better way to express sarcasm than asking us to reapply in future.
It's indeed sad to know ReactOS didn't make it.
It was expected though :)
Our friendly OS project Haiku gets accepted every year, so being an OS is not a problem. Wine is certainly accepted every year from the beginning, and this year is not an exception. So it's definately not a problem of "legal fear" of Microsoft.
In the same spirit of sharing from the FOSDEM invitation, I'm sure we could find some projects on Haiku that would benefit ReactOS as well. Some time ago I talked about the webcam driver I wrote, which could likely be made portable. Another developer already started adding UVC support to it, so it'd likely be interesting to ROS as well.
Thanks a lot, but this could limit your own participation, since number of slots is usually very limited. It's really nice to offer this from your side.
I'd suggest looking for projects you'd be interested in on http://dev.haiku-os.org/wiki/GoogleSummerOfCodeIdeas The students pick the ones they want but likely we could put them first on our wish list.
An other topic of interest could be the network drivers we ported from FreeBSD, likely you could take inspiration from our compatibility layer.
Yes, we surely could find something which benefits both of us.
Also, something that seemed to appeal to Google last year was our attempt at extending the allocated GSoC slots by running our own funded HCD (Haiku Code Drive), to sponsor some more projects. see: http://www.haiku-os.org/tags/hcd2008_0
We are preparing a similar thing called Community Funded Ideas. It's not ready for big announcement yet, but we are working towards it.
Surely running your own event would entice Google to value your own investment and reconsider for next year.
Honestly, they exhausted my level of patience. So, I rather see CFI as a better substitute for GSoC, also it lets community to take part in decision process.
What is the problem then? I leave it to you to decide what's the problem. However, as for me, I see Google Summer of Code is nothing close to supporting free software world, but rather an expensive way of advertising.
Undoubtedly it gives them a lot of advertising, but I do hope there is more to it :)
I was slightly exaggerating certainly :)
François.
Hi Guys,
The best bet is to reach out to someone at Google and find out why as well as what can be done about it.
Thanks, Rich
On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 5:07 PM, Aleksey Bragin aleksey@reactos.org wrote:
On Mar 21, 2009, at 11:04 PM, François Revol wrote:
Hi,
I'd like to let you know our application has not been accepted into Google Summer of Code, for the third time in a row. I attached an (autogenerated) reply, which encourages us to reapply for future instances of the program. I would not find a better way to express sarcasm than asking us to reapply in future.
It's indeed sad to know ReactOS didn't make it.
It was expected though :)
Our friendly OS project Haiku gets accepted every year, so being an OS is not a problem. Wine is certainly accepted every year from the beginning, and this year is not an exception. So it's definately not a problem of "legal fear" of Microsoft.
In the same spirit of sharing from the FOSDEM invitation, I'm sure we could find some projects on Haiku that would benefit ReactOS as well. Some time ago I talked about the webcam driver I wrote, which could likely be made portable. Another developer already started adding UVC support to it, so it'd likely be interesting to ROS as well.
Thanks a lot, but this could limit your own participation, since number of slots is usually very limited. It's really nice to offer this from your side.
I'd suggest looking for projects you'd be interested in on http://dev.haiku-os.org/wiki/GoogleSummerOfCodeIdeas The students pick the ones they want but likely we could put them first on our wish list.
An other topic of interest could be the network drivers we ported from FreeBSD, likely you could take inspiration from our compatibility layer.
Yes, we surely could find something which benefits both of us.
Also, something that seemed to appeal to Google last year was our attempt at extending the allocated GSoC slots by running our own funded HCD (Haiku Code Drive), to sponsor some more projects. see: http://www.haiku-os.org/tags/hcd2008_0
We are preparing a similar thing called Community Funded Ideas. It's not ready for big announcement yet, but we are working towards it.
Surely running your own event would entice Google to value your own investment and reconsider for next year.
Honestly, they exhausted my level of patience. So, I rather see CFI as a better substitute for GSoC, also it lets community to take part in decision process.
What is the problem then? I leave it to you to decide what's the problem. However, as for me, I see Google Summer of Code is nothing close to supporting free software world, but rather an expensive way of advertising.
Undoubtedly it gives them a lot of advertising, but I do hope there is more to it :)
I was slightly exaggerating certainly :)
François.
Ros-dev mailing list Ros-dev@reactos.org http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
Our friendly OS project Haiku gets accepted every year, so being an OS is not a problem. Wine is certainly accepted every year from the beginning, and this year is not an exception. So it's definately not a problem of "legal fear" of Microsoft.
In the same spirit of sharing from the FOSDEM invitation, I'm sure we could find some projects on Haiku that would benefit ReactOS as well. Some time ago I talked about the webcam driver I wrote, which could likely be made portable. Another developer already started adding UVC support to it, so it'd likely be interesting to ROS as well.
Thanks a lot, but this could limit your own participation, since number of slots is usually very limited. It's really nice to offer this from your side.
It seems it might be possible to actually have someone from ReactOS to mentor such a project. This would free our own mentors to supervise other projects, so from this point of view it could allow having more. Also, we would both benefit in having more models supported on this driver.
Also, something that seemed to appeal to Google last year was our attempt at extending the allocated GSoC slots by running our own funded HCD (Haiku Code Drive), to sponsor some more projects. see: http://www.haiku-os.org/tags/hcd2008_0
We are preparing a similar thing called Community Funded Ideas. It's not ready for big announcement yet, but we are working towards it.
Good to hear.
François.
I know this is a little old, but the thought just occurred to me..... I seriously doubt that reactos will ever be accepted into this. The reason for this is pretty simple. Google right now is considered the one company that can "take on" Microsoft. Now this might not hold a lot of weight or it might, but I just don't think that Google wants to be associated with an alternative to a Microsoft OS, that would be able to compete directly with windows. I just don't think that google wants to stir up the headlines, even if it weren't the situation that it actually is.
On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 5:07 PM, Aleksey Bragin aleksey@reactos.org wrote:
On Mar 21, 2009, at 11:04 PM, François Revol wrote:
Hi,
I'd like to let you know our application has not been accepted into Google Summer of Code, for the third time in a row. I attached an (autogenerated) reply, which encourages us to reapply for future instances of the program. I would not find a better way to express sarcasm than asking us to reapply in future.
It's indeed sad to know ReactOS didn't make it.
It was expected though :)
Our friendly OS project Haiku gets accepted every year, so being an OS is not a problem. Wine is certainly accepted every year from the beginning, and this year is not an exception. So it's definately not a problem of "legal fear" of Microsoft.
In the same spirit of sharing from the FOSDEM invitation, I'm sure we could find some projects on Haiku that would benefit ReactOS as well. Some time ago I talked about the webcam driver I wrote, which could likely be made portable. Another developer already started adding UVC support to it, so it'd likely be interesting to ROS as well.
Thanks a lot, but this could limit your own participation, since number of slots is usually very limited. It's really nice to offer this from your side.
I'd suggest looking for projects you'd be interested in on http://dev.haiku-os.org/wiki/GoogleSummerOfCodeIdeas The students pick the ones they want but likely we could put them first on our wish list.
An other topic of interest could be the network drivers we ported from FreeBSD, likely you could take inspiration from our compatibility layer.
Yes, we surely could find something which benefits both of us.
Also, something that seemed to appeal to Google last year was our attempt at extending the allocated GSoC slots by running our own funded HCD (Haiku Code Drive), to sponsor some more projects. see: http://www.haiku-os.org/tags/hcd2008_0
We are preparing a similar thing called Community Funded Ideas. It's not ready for big announcement yet, but we are working towards it.
Surely running your own event would entice Google to value your own investment and reconsider for next year.
Honestly, they exhausted my level of patience. So, I rather see CFI as a better substitute for GSoC, also it lets community to take part in decision process.
What is the problem then? I leave it to you to decide what's the problem. However, as for me, I see Google Summer of Code is nothing close to supporting free software world, but rather an expensive way of advertising.
Undoubtedly it gives them a lot of advertising, but I do hope there is more to it :)
I was slightly exaggerating certainly :)
François.
Ros-dev mailing list Ros-dev@reactos.org http://www.reactos.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-dev
Aleksey Bragin wrote:
I'd like to let you know our application has not been accepted into Google Summer of Code, for the third time in a row
A pity. ROS would have been a good candidate to fulfill Ubuntu slot.
I just stated a few examples. I highly value those projects, however I just can't understand that yet another framework in python, or a game engine for a turnbased strategies, or a collection of FOSS software for Windows with a package manager (which we already have, and which could have been improved), or an institution which believes that AI takes over the world and tries to stop that are way more important than supporting an organization whose product would be of use for millions of people, and would create a real alternative operating system compatible with the vast majority of existing software and hardware.
Have you tried asking all of this to gsoc people? (that would probably be Leslie Hawthorn)
I just expressed my opinion about GSoC in general. I spoke with Leslie a number of times, she's a very kind person, but she is not able to solve this our problem unfortunately. And thus, I stated my opinion. It's not aimed towards any particular person, but rather criticizes the direction of GSoC, which I suppose to be wrong.
WBR, Aleksey Bragin.
On Mar 23, 2009, at 10:28 AM, Matthieu Suiche wrote:
Have you tried asking all of this to gsoc people? (that would probably be Leslie Hawthorn)
Indeed, I guess she is the right person. She is Program Manager for Google's Open Source Team and manage the Google Summer of Code.
-- Matthieu Suiche
On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 11:44 AM, Aleksey Bragin aleksey@reactos.org wrote:
I just expressed my opinion about GSoC in general. I spoke with Leslie a number of times, she's a very kind person, but she is not able to solve this our problem unfortunately. And thus, I stated my opinion. It's not aimed towards any particular person, but rather criticizes the direction of GSoC, which I suppose to be wrong.
Did she give a concrete reason for ReactOS's rejection yet again? It would be nice to have a on the record statement.
I posted an official autoreply. There is nothing more than that said officially.
On Mar 23, 2009, at 7:50 PM, Steven Edwards wrote:
On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 11:44 AM, Aleksey Bragin aleksey@reactos.org wrote:
I just expressed my opinion about GSoC in general. I spoke with Leslie a number of times, she's a very kind person, but she is not able to solve this our problem unfortunately. And thus, I stated my opinion. It's not aimed towards any particular person, but rather criticizes the direction of GSoC, which I suppose to be wrong.
Did she give a concrete reason for ReactOS's rejection yet again? It would be nice to have a on the record statement.
-- Steven Edwards
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